Biden on health care

[melman]

Link to tweet

[riverine]

1. All Democrats support Universal Health Care

and the GOP is to blame for blocking Medicaid per the ACA.

Support the ACA for Universal Health Care!

[Hoyt]

2. I think that is way to go. HOWEVER, I really want to hear where he came up with $75 Billion a year

cost. He's going to cover everyone, pick up a big chunk of coinsurance/deductibles most people pay, etc.

That is going to cost more than that. I think he's probably not counting the cost of Medicaid, Medicare, etc., in that $75B when comparing his plant to Sanders' (and apparently Warren's) plan. And, he's probably doing something funky with how cost currently paid by employers is counted. Problem is, I also think Sanders' (and likely Warrens') plan is also funky in the areas of costs and funding sources.

But, I'm sure those details will be coming so we can compare. Who knows, maybe we will go into the General Election with a hybrid plan hashed about among the candidates that is something good, but appeals to a lot more voters than MFA.

[George II]

5. Plus, since he's going to "ban" private insurance within a few years....

.....does he have a cost to retrain all the thousands of people working in the private insurance industry or pay those who can't find alternate jobs welfare?

And he doesn't even touch on all the services provided by private insurance companies to administer the existing government Medicare system, and who would perform those services.

[Hoyt]

8. Lots of questions. I bet, the insurance companies will continue administering MFA. The government

has better sense than to do that again.

Interesting, I just read a thread where Sanders is pledging to not forget coal miners when he moves us away quickly from fossil fuels. He's talking about training for things like renewable energy, energy grid rebuilding, running communications lines to rural areas, etc. Point is, he'd have to come up with something for insurance workers too. I'm not that worried about displaced health insurance employees, as far as holding off restructuring our healthcare financing and delivery system.

I can't see anything, but a public option, being something that could be initiated quickly. If you could get it enacted, I bet it would be over 10 years to phase in MFA. And, the law will be attacked on every front for decades.

[George II]

3. Your subject line is incorrect:

He wasn't talking about health care, he was talking about Sanders' claim that only "Medicare for All" (which is health care INSURANCE) would cover all Americans, correctly saying that Sanders was wrong. Health care and health care insurance are two completely different things.

Biden was correct in that there are other proposals from other candidates that would cover all Americans.

You're welcome in advance.

[melman]

4. No it's not

Feel free to watch the video and reconsider.

[George II]

6. I did, and it is incorrect.

[melman]

7. "Nope"

So then you agree. That's terrific.




edit: this post is the post I originally responded to --->


It was subsequently edited.

[Thekaspervote]

9. I watched it too, he's talking about Sanders. If you look at mr. Biden's website his view on

Healthcare is all there

[George II]

11. Indeed he is. The subject line IS incorrect.

[melman]

13. "If you look at mr. Biden's website his view on Healthcare is all there"

Indeed.

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The Biden plan expands upon the Affordable Care Act (ACA) by adding a government-run public option to compete alongside private insurers and by making existing subsidies for private plans more generous. The plan nears universal coverage, but falls short by the campaign’s own admission: It would cover an estimated 97% of Americans.


https://thinkprogress.org/joe-biden-health-care-plan-reveals-divide-among-democrats-medicare-for-all-obamacare-a8529897c052/




What about the other 3%? Too bad for them I guess. Do you know how many people that is? About ten million.

[Thekaspervote]

14. Actually since I worked in the medical profession all my life I probably have a better idea than

Most.

We have to start somewhere, hopefully we will get to some kind of public option but The polls show support for M4A is not very strong.

So if you have a magic wand.. please proceed

[treestar]

16. FFS.

Those might be people who don't believe in insurance. (I've met them). Talk about perfectionism.

[melman]

24. That's a rather cavalier way of looking at it

But..okay.

[George II]

10. Hmmm...what next?

[melman]

12. I don't know

But I'm sure you'll think of something.

[LanternWaste]

17. I think we're heading into another "did you watch the entire video? I suggest you do" feedback loop.

I'm guessing any valid exception you take with the accuracy of the headline will be met with a variation of that loop.

[George II]

18. Yes, it's something I've experienced before, in fact two or three times in the last few days.

In computer programming parlance it's similar to a do-loop.

Reminds me, I have to dig out my favorite Fred Astaire/Ginger Rogers movie.

[melman]

23. Well did you?

I suggest you do.

[BeyondGeography]

15. That was occasionally painful to listen to

Not the level of articulation that you’d expect from the leading Democrat in the field. They don’t make frontrunners like they used to.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

19. I'm deeply surprised at how much his speech has declinced since he was VP, and I'm less surprised

but more disappointed that this doesn't seem to be an issue for people. His kickoff video sounded like he needed new dentures, and in this video, he is definitely rambling.

[BeyondGeography]

20. The guy who manhandled Paul Ryan in 2012 is gone

I haven't seen him anyway. That guy would be pretty untouchable, IMO. The current version isn't even close.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

21. Nostalgia is powerful and makes people see things that aren't there.

Fear does too, for that matter.

[Demsrule86]

27. I would wager none of the other candidates will touch him...he hasn't changed...you all have.

Looking for a reason why he should fail to pump up your own candidate.

[BeyondGeography]

30. Watch the video

You’re excusing a mediocre answer poorly delivered.

[melman]

22. Yes

Not encouraging at all.

[BeyondGeography]

25. Here's the whole word salad

Link to tweet

[jalan48]

26. I have the same fear about Biden and the debates if he is our candidate. I really don't know why he

decided to run. We have more articulate candidates running that don't chew their words.

[Demsrule86]

28. He decided to run to stop Trump and the thing is...IMHO,he is the only one who can win...and these

sort of posts are unfair and won't work.

[jalan48]

31. Unfair? Get ready for the corporate media to dump a whole lot of unfairness on him if he's our

candidate. Garbled speech and forgetfulness will be repeated over and over for the American public on a nightly basis.

[Demsrule86]

38. Biden is well known...I think that some of our candidates...like Harris have things in their past

that could cause issues...won't post it but you can look it up...but Biden is pretty much an open book. And one should not attack Democrats...it is what cost us 2016.

[Autumn]

33. Maybe he decided to run because he was polling high. IMO his high numbers are a reflection

of nostalgia and his time as Obama's VP. As the campaign goes on he will have to show he's more than that. His "gaffes" will take their toll and his numbers will drop.
Mayor Pete, along with Warren and Sanders is outraising him in Obama-Trump Swing Counties. True that Warren and Sanders announced in February but both Biden and Pete announced in April. And Pete is outraising Biden there.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/bernie-sanders-out-raises-joe-biden-in-obama-trump-swing-counties

[Thekaspervote]

29. I would ask anyone here if you could speak to a complicated subject that is not your area of

Expertise, perfectly and with total command and never miss a word. Give me a break!!

[melman]

32. And that's actually kind of a generous transcription

When you compare it to what's going on in the actual video. Not good.

[BeyondGeography]

34. From 40 seconds on it's pretty cringeworthy

Not to mention he takes the cost of his program which is ex-Medicare and compares it with the $30 trillion cost of M4A, which he’d best not try in next month’s debate.

[BannonsLiver]

35. How not good is it?

Not good.

Really not good.

Moderately not good.

Terribly not good.

Really really really really really really really not good.

Really really really really really really really really really really really really really not good.

[melman]

36. Very

Very not good.

[Politicub]

37. MFA will cover everyone. But the challenge is getting a bill through Congress.

I prefer Biden’s approach of using the ACA as a platform on which to build. It was architected to evolve and improve.

The Consumer Health Insurance Protection Act introduced by Warren last year builds on the ACA, though more aggressively and less insurance-industry friendly than Biden.

I would be thrilled with either approach, though.