Jennifer Rubin is wondering if there will be a mea culpa from the media for hyping the Monmouth poll

[highplainsdem]

I wish there would be. There should be. But I don't expect it.



Rubin's tweet:

Link to tweet

[Cha]

1. No they won't. Did they do a mea

culpa for their drums for the War on Iraq or for assisting trump getting rigged in?

I'm glad she's calling them out!

[Hortensis]

23. Lol. They'll use their remarks as templates for the next one.

Steal each others' catchiest phrases. Of course. Whatever virtues some may have as individuals, as pack journalists they're corrupt and also effectively stupid.

That stupid thing again. It's everywhere!!!

[oasis]

2. I wonder if we'll see a few mea culpas around these parts.

[Cha]

4. Oh that would be

interesting!

[Demsrule86]

5. Unlikely, just more earnest remarks like ...'it is too early for polls to matter' and the only poll

that matters is on primary day...and Biden is a 'gaffe machine'....because they hate him.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

26. As a general rule. If a poll is bad it's "right wing" driven

If it's good..great poll.

Gets so old! Should be..it is what it is. If someone finds a poll interesting..let them!

Same old remarks like "too early - bad pollster - only state polls matter" are so annoying.

[hlthe2b]

3. I'd like to know if those who chastised for pointing out the small sample size, large std error

and thus the likelihood it (Monmouth) would prove an outlier, might be a little chastened themselves. I, as an "undecided" was told my assessment of the Monmouth poll's methodological weaknesses was merely an attempt to ignore the "facts" by several supporters of other candidates...

They should be.

[Demsrule86]

7. That makes no sense.

[hlthe2b]

8. What makes no sense?

If you don't understand my post, tell me what is unclear and I'll try to clarify for you.

I'm saying it was not only the MSM, but also some supporters of other candidates here, who were chastising those of us who pointed out the outlier nature of Monmouth and its many statistical problems.

[JI7]

10. it was an obvious outlier

[hlthe2b]

12. Yes it certainly was. Those who pointed out the small sample size pointed to that being the case

were roundly disparaged by some here.

[Gothmog]

6. This poll was an outlier

Link to tweet

[JI7]

11. they need to stop obsessing about polls and the amount of time

that give it. it's just empty reporting after a certain point. especially this early.

[Watchfoxheadexplodes]

9. Just saw fox quoting the Monmouth poll

AGAIN

They really do not want trump facing Joe.

[Vegas Roller]

13. Heads will roll at Monmouth as it should be

I hope

[highplainsdem]

15. Not necessarily. One of the Dem pollsters pointing out that Monmouth poll was an outlier said that

even with good pollsters, a small percentage of polls are likely to be way off. Just the way it works.

[Vegas Roller]

16. It was not just a fluke outlier

It was released with an inadequate sample with an extremely high MOE

Typically, anything with <0.05 Alpha is significant. Why release a poll with a 0.06 alpha knowing full well that it is not significant? It was released because it fit someone's agenda and wanted to create positive momentum for political purposes.

[highplainsdem]

17. Yeah, and now that you mention that, I remember something the head of Monmouth's polling institute

said...

[Celerity]

39. lololol, this poll and EIGHT less in its sample that the one before it

It was released because it fit someone's agenda and wanted to create positive momentum for political purposes.

that is pure conspiracy theory, and this is not the first time you are saying it

and no, mileage may not vary (as you flippantly told me last time)

it is inflammatory and non-productive to keep banging on this unproven, conspiratorial angle

the poll was a one-off anomaly

it was a shit poll, there was no master plan to game it for ANYONE

It always was a low sample poll, you just grasping at straws

NO Biden supporters were commenting about its sample size when it was showing Biden at 32, 33%

the average sample size for the last 6 months (when, again due to the results being to your approval, you never said boo about) was 315

This one was 298, the one before was 306

you even, in another thread said they should have breached their modus operandi and continued to sample until they had a similar sample to the last one

well oki

lets run with that

8 more voters sampled to equal exactly the last poll in sample size (again in which which Biden got 32% and not a peep from anyone)

As if 3 more votes for Biden gained would matter (BTW an additional 3 of those 8 to Biden is giving him 37.5% of those 8, which is a higher than he ever polled in this poll) 3 more votes to him makes him go up SIX TENTHS of one percent, from 19 to 19.6, 4 more (so half of the 8 additional takes him to 19.9%, all 8, a complete sweep takes him to 21.2%, still 11 points down from his 32% from the poll before AND now with the exact same sample size


https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/monmouthpoll_US_082619/






https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/documents/monmouthpoll_us_082619.pdf/


your conspiracy theory

It was released because it fit someone's agenda and wanted to create positive momentum for political purposes.

has just been melted like a Cadbury bar in the noonday sun

[Hoyt]

14. The hated Steve Kornacki did a good job of showing why it might be an outlier when it came out.

[Skidmore]

34. Kornacki made a job out of

spreading it around without question for 24 hours too.

[Hoyt]

36. No what I saw. He showed the Monmouth Poll and then immediately showed how it differed from all the

other polls.

[Skidmore]

37. That was today.

Not yesterday when he was fairly self-combustion over it. He started very early too.

[Hoyt]

38. Haven't seen him today. What I saw was yesterday.

[Cha]

42. "Not yesterday when he was fairly self-combustion over it"

lol! I can imagine.

Here's another one who was gloating and smearing media at the same time.

Link to tweet

Skidmore

[melman]

18. Any mea culpas forthcoming from Jennifer Rubin

for being a Republican asshole her whole life?

[Skya Rhen]

19. She's ridin' with Biden, now...

[melman]

20. Ah yes

The old "history started yesterday" argument. Nothing before last week matters.

[NewJeffCT]

30. she's been against Trump

from the start of his run for president.

Now, before Trump, she was your typical conservative Republican

[Hassin Bin Sober]

35. Before trump the Republican Party wasn't full of racists, xenophobes, misogynists and homophobes?

Before trump, the republicans didn’t want to amend the constitution to outlaw gay marriage? They didn’t appoint people like Scalia? They didn’t work to snuff out unions? They didn’t work to disenfranchise minority voters?

Fuck Jennifer Rubin and any other embarrassed republicans.

[Vegas Roller]

22. We are a party with a big heart

We even accept independents who join temporarily and then go back to being independent.

[NewJeffCT]

32. I say that we'll take all the help we can get

2016 was so close that every vote matters.

[Eliot Rosewater]

33. I will take a rabid dog who knows how to punch the D card

and the "dog" reference has nothing to do with who we are talking about, just a phrase I use.

[Cha]

43. lol

[First Speaker]

24. I don't give a damn what Jennifer Rubin did 15 years ago...

...and neither should anyone else. This is now, 2019, and our Republic is in grave danger. She is fighting the good fight. She may not be a Dem, though she is--thankfully--supporting one now. But she is waging a battle to save the soul of conservatism--something that, if our democracy is going to survive, *must* happen. I regard her as a comrade, as Whigs and Tories were in the Revolution of 1688, whatever their other differences. We don't have the time for the self-indulgence of refighting ancient battles. The one we're in now is too important.

[DrToast]

25. +1

[melman]

27. I'm not interesting in saving conservatism

But whatever floats your boat I guess.

[First Speaker]

29. I'm not really, either. That's up to them. But a functional democracy can't exist...

...without a sane conservative wing, and a sane liberal wing. "Conservatism" has morphed into fascism. We on the Left need to at least cheer on--from a distance--any attempt to restore a sane conservatism, for our own sake.

[emmaverybo]

28. This: "We don't have the time for the self-indulgence of refighting ancient battles. The one we're

in now is too important.”

[RelativelyJones]

31. +1

[Scurrilous]

21. ...

[Tarheel_Dem]

40. Nope. Never. They don't do mea culpas. n/t

[TSIAS]

41. I'm waiting for her mea culpa

Will she apologize for supporting Bush/Cheney and all their disastrous policies? I think I know that answer. Being a mainstream pundit means never having to admit you're wrong.