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Princetonian

(1,501 posts)
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 03:52 PM Aug 2019

New B+ Emerson National Poll: Biden is the only Democrat who beats Trump (Aug 24-26, +/-2.5%)



Democratic primary voters appear to be locking in their choices, with 50% saying they will definitely vote for the candidate they’ve chosen at this time, up from 41% who were decided in early July. Biden and Sanders have the most loyal supporters, with 63% and 62% of their supporters indicating they are sticking with their candidate. Additionally, 45% of Warren supporters and 39% of Harris supporters say they will stick with their choice.

Presidents Trump’s approval has dropped a point to 43%. His disapproval rating has risen 6 points from the last Emerson poll in July to 52%, his highest disapproval rating since January’s national poll. However, despite this, he continues to lead his potential GOP opponent, former MA Gov. Bill Weld 84% to 16%. (n=558, +/-4.1%)

In five hypothetical general election match-ups, Trump trails Biden, but is in a statistical dead heat with the four other leading Democratic candidates.

Source Link: http://emersonpolling.com/2019/08/27/august-national-poll-sanders-closing-gap-with-biden-mayor-pete-fades/
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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New B+ Emerson National Poll: Biden is the only Democrat who beats Trump (Aug 24-26, +/-2.5%) (Original Post) Princetonian Aug 2019 OP
Except for Biden, all others are within the MOE nt Vegas Roller Aug 2019 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author bluewater Aug 2019 #4
Wrong math Vegas Roller Aug 2019 #6
You are correct. It's a head to head poll, hence twice the moe. bluewater Aug 2019 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author bluewater Aug 2019 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author bluewater Aug 2019 #3
Well then, guess we should just declare the primary Bettie Aug 2019 #5
None of us knows what will happen. There are many pro-Warren posts each day touting huge crowds, emmaverybo Aug 2019 #13
I dislike being told Bettie Aug 2019 #14
Please show me what post in this thread implied that voting doesn't matter. Biden himself has emmaverybo Aug 2019 #15
I too will patiently wait for the reply Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #16
I'll wait with you two. Princetonian Aug 2019 #18
ALL top Democrats beat dump in new Quinnipiac poll Bradshaw3 Aug 2019 #7
What's the Quinnipiac poll's MOE? What is their value of N? Emerson polled 1458 respondents. Princetonian Aug 2019 #11
Thx for posting Princetonian... Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #8
Here's an informative comment about why Biden is our best chance Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #10
Good point! There'll be little room for late-breaking undecideds with Joe's poll numbers. Princetonian Aug 2019 #12
Really warms my heart. The Biden part. LincolnRossiter Aug 2019 #17
Yeah, after being enthusiasm-shamed, it turns out Biden supporters are the most loyal of all. Princetonian Aug 2019 #19
 

Vegas Roller

(704 posts)
1. Except for Biden, all others are within the MOE nt
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 03:59 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to Vegas Roller (Reply #1)

 

Vegas Roller

(704 posts)
6. Wrong math
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 04:06 PM
Aug 2019

48+2.5 = 50.5
52-2.5 = 49.5

So .. if a MOE is applied, it will be Trump 50.5, Sanders 49.5 .... and that is before Trump & Co viciously attack using things like those a mobile billboard said in NY.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=254033

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

bluewater

(5,376 posts)
9. You are correct. It's a head to head poll, hence twice the moe.
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 04:09 PM
Aug 2019

Thanks, my math was off.

I will edit or self delete.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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Bettie

(16,105 posts)
5. Well then, guess we should just declare the primary
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 04:05 PM
Aug 2019

over and skip all that messy, useless voting stuff.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
13. None of us knows what will happen. There are many pro-Warren posts each day touting huge crowds,
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 04:36 PM
Aug 2019

surges in the polls, positive media commentary, etc. Rightly so. Same with rest of the field’s supporters. Some post daily info graphic ads, big splashy testimonials.

Biden supporters don’t find much positive media, while at DU, the most vocal and numerous supporters prefer other candidates. Why should posting polls that reflect Biden’s support outside DU be seen as anti-Democratic? Why should some Biden cheerleading attract near-censure?

There are at least four or five posters who daily post more than one anti-Biden thread, three or four! Then the OP “mans” the thread to get in as many more negatives as possible and dampen any overt Biden enthusiasm.

As you imply, early days, just polls, so no threat. Let supporters support. Let us celebrate here and there. It is not as though Biden is a DNC or media darling. We are not calling the primary. But
just as some have their standard Bernie or Warren or Pete or Harris arguments, we have our points. That point, a theory of Biden’s potential to win in primary or GE, is not voter suppression, after all.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Bettie

(16,105 posts)
14. I dislike being told
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 04:59 PM
Aug 2019

that voting doesn't matter and X, Y, or Z has it wrapped up. This is what the Biden supporters tend to say on every post.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
15. Please show me what post in this thread implied that voting doesn't matter. Biden himself has
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 05:06 PM
Aug 2019

said he doesn’t have a wrap.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Thekaspervote

(32,767 posts)
16. I too will patiently wait for the reply
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 05:45 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Bradshaw3

(7,522 posts)
7. ALL top Democrats beat dump in new Quinnipiac poll
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 04:07 PM
Aug 2019

Released a few hours ago:

https://www.msnbc.com/velshi-ruhle/watch/all-top-democrats-beat-trump-in-new-quinnipiac-poll-67668549781

Biden, Sanders and Warren are just a point apart in beating dump, within the margin of error.

Quinnipiac is A- rated. Sorry to rain on the parade.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Princetonian

(1,501 posts)
11. What's the Quinnipiac poll's MOE? What is their value of N? Emerson polled 1458 respondents.
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 04:18 PM
Aug 2019

This August Emerson Polling poll has one of the smallest MOE I have seen in recent memory. There's not much difference between A- and a B+ polls depending on their MOE and N values, both of which are very good here.

The national Emerson College poll was conducted August 24-26, 2019 under the Supervision of Emerson Polling Director Assistant Professor Spencer Kimball. The sample consisted of registered voters, n=1,458, with a Credibility Interval (CI) similar to a poll’s margin of error (MOE) of +/- 2.5 percentage points. The data was weighted by age, region, income, and education based on 2016 turnout modeling.

http://emersonpolling.com/2019/08/27/august-national-poll-sanders-closing-gap-with-biden-mayor-pete-fades/


So potentially, Biden will overperform in 2020 among black voters relative to 2016's lower turnout.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Thekaspervote

(32,767 posts)
8. Thx for posting Princetonian...
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 04:08 PM
Aug 2019

Go Joe go...we’ve got your back!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Thekaspervote

(32,767 posts)
10. Here's an informative comment about why Biden is our best chance
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 04:12 PM
Aug 2019

10. No. If anything, this reinforces the idea...

The margins in this poll are pretty close once you get outside Biden-Trump. When margins are close, as we saw in 2016, any type of shift can be devastating.

The final RCP poll average in Michigan for 2016 was:

Clinton 47
Trump 43.4

There was generally one constant with Hillary's lead in Michigan - she didn't eclipse 50% in most polls - especially the final week of the campaign. You take those two averages (47+43.4) and you get 90.4% - which meant, on the whole, there was an average of 10% who was either voting third party or hadn't decided.

Trump won Michigan with 47.3% to Hillary's 47%.

What happened? Hillary's support stayed the exact same - but Trump's support grew as he picked up most the undecided voters. The margins were so close (3.6) in an average of the final polls, that it allowed him to barely win the state.

Looking at this poll, only one candidate is above 50% - Biden. In fact, in the last three Michigan polls, Biden has topped Trump with 54, 53 and 51%. In those same polls, Warren has topped Trump once by 50+% - back in March. In the most two recent polls, she's been at 47 and 49%. Bernie has done a bit better, eclipsing 50% in two polls but not in this poll.

Margins are important. The one constant, above anything, is that Biden not only beats Trump - he does so handily.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
JOE BIDEN

Pointed out by DU’er the drunken irishman

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Princetonian

(1,501 posts)
12. Good point! There'll be little room for late-breaking undecideds with Joe's poll numbers.
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 04:31 PM
Aug 2019

Thanks for adding yet another insight as to why VP Joe is Democrat's best choice for winning the general election, Thekaspervote.

10. No. If anything, this reinforces the idea...

The margins in this poll are pretty close once you get outside Biden-Trump. When margins are close, as we saw in 2016, any type of shift can be devastating.

The final RCP poll average in Michigan for 2016 was:

Clinton 47
Trump 43.4

There was generally one constant with Hillary's lead in Michigan - she didn't eclipse 50% in most polls - especially the final week of the campaign. You take those two averages (47+43.4) and you get 90.4% - which meant, on the whole, there was an average of 10% who was either voting third party or hadn't decided.

Trump won Michigan with 47.3% to Hillary's 47%.

What happened? Hillary's support stayed the exact same - but Trump's support grew as he picked up most the undecided voters. The margins were so close (3.6) in an average of the final polls, that it allowed him to barely win the state.

Looking at this poll, only one candidate is above 50% - Biden. In fact, in the last three Michigan polls, Biden has topped Trump with 54, 53 and 51%. In those same polls, Warren has topped Trump once by 50+% - back in March. In the most two recent polls, she's been at 47 and 49%. Bernie has done a bit better, eclipsing 50% in two polls but not in this poll.

Margins are important. The one constant, above anything, is that Biden not only beats Trump - he does so handily.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
JOE BIDEN

Pointed out by DU’er the drunken irishman
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LincolnRossiter

(560 posts)
17. Really warms my heart. The Biden part.
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 05:58 PM
Aug 2019
Biden and Sanders have the most loyal supporters, with 63% and 62% of their supporters indicating they are sticking with their candidate.


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Princetonian

(1,501 posts)
19. Yeah, after being enthusiasm-shamed, it turns out Biden supporters are the most loyal of all.
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 07:49 PM
Aug 2019

But we knew that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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