Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumSanders campaign wracked by dissension
From the daughter of one of DU's posters
Link to tweet
After a pair of setbacks this week the acrimonious shakeup of his staff in New Hampshire on Sunday and loss of the Working Families Party's endorsement to Elizabeth Warren a day later Sanders allies and former aides are worried that recent disappointments are not one-off stumbles but rather emblematic of larger problems in his bid for the White House. The concerns are particularly acute in New Hampshire.
Seeing the campaign not be able to outshine Warren with WFP progressives doesnt have me questioning WFPs process, said Rafael Shimunov, a former national creative director for WFP and 2016 Sanders volunteer. It has me questioning where the Bernie campaign could have done better, because I want to make sure the strongest candidate unmasks Biden and unseats Trump.
The worries come as the campaign enters a critical, more urgent phase. After Labor Day, more voters typically tune into the election and begin to make up their minds. Expectations for Sanders are sky-high, especially in New Hampshire, where he defeated Hillary Clinton in 2016 by 22 percentage points.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JoeOtterbein
(7,703 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,839 posts)Congratulations on raising a child with such talent. Mazel Tov.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JoeOtterbein
(7,703 posts)I always say, of course I'm 100% biased but, Holly really is the best journalist ever!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lapucelle
(18,399 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JoeOtterbein
(7,703 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)She digs out information, that is one feature of great journalists. Next up will likely be regular appearances on TV.
Congrats for raising her.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JoeOtterbein
(7,703 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)applause.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BannonsLiver
(16,542 posts)This particular author has written more than one Biden hit piece and actively promotes the Dems in disarray narrative.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
I'm tapped.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Nice work, dad!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
JoeOtterbein
(7,703 posts)That is so nice! Your Dad did nice work too!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
stonecutter357
(12,698 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hekate
(91,005 posts)Last edited Tue Sep 17, 2019, 05:48 PM - Edit history (1)
Is that where all the ugly crap this past week has come from at DU? *Of course* I don't mean Bernie or his campaign. But "unmask" Joe? Is there some horrible darkness behind the smile, that nobody has revealed in 40 years?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,839 posts)I thought that sanders signed a pledge to run a positive campaign
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... the whole thing reeks of desperation.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,839 posts)This term is evidently a key part of the sanders plan but I am not sure that is involved in the process to "unmask Biden."
I got to shake Biden's hand on Friday and I did not notice any mask.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)It's a backhanded smear that is intended to suggest that Biden is hiding something, or that he has skeletons in the closet, or that he's not all he appears to be.
It's just more dirty campaigning and denigrating honorable Democrats by a desperate candidate and a campaign that's clearly faltering and in trouble.
At this point, BS is clearly NOT going to be our party's nominee, and it really serves no good purpose for BS (or his surrogates) to be doing things that will have the effect of kneecapping our party's nominee.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,839 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,820 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,839 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... then I can't trust anything else the candidate says. He ("or she'') is not worthy of my vote, and not qualified to be our party's nominee.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TexasTowelie
(112,660 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,839 posts)You may be right
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Im a steady, somewhat rotund, middle aged white southerner. Always hated Wrestlin. But I really like that Lucha Libre stuff. Laugh my ass off.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TexasTowelie
(112,660 posts)I thought about posting a photo of one of the masks, but hesitated because it might be deemed as racially insensitive. I'm sure that Joe would take a dashing photo if he wore one though.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Now for a horrible thought. trump in Lucha Libre gear! That would be hilarious!
Im from Louisiana. I know good food. We owe a debt of gratitude to our newer Mexican residents for their contribution to our food culture if for no other reasons. And there are lots of other reasons. They are making this country better.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,820 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,820 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)equal, connected, as in a need to vanquish two evils.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Remember. Many of his closest advisors did not vote for the last Democratic candidate. They would not be allowed on DU.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,789 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
greatauntoftriplets
(175,771 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,839 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,789 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
comradebillyboy
(10,184 posts)Sums up both Sanders campaign and his campaign team pretty well.
Many Sanders supporters blame WFPs leaders for making the wrong choice, and knock them for not releasing their individual vote tally of online members. But some, like Shimunov, said they didnt question it and noted the campaign had agreed to abide by the rules ahead of time.
Sanders team declined to share details about what it did to try to secure the endorsement.
So it appears he took the WFP endorsement for granted and didn't bother to reach out in contrast to Warren who did considerable outreach to WFP.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ritapria
(1,812 posts)Bernie is going down the Tubes
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,356 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Thekaspervote
(32,820 posts)SurveyUSA CALIFORNIA poll: Biden 27%, Sanders 18%, Warren 16%, Harris 13%, Yang 7%,
Buttigieg 3%, O'Rourke & Castro 2%, all others 1% or less
Third California state poll out today, and they're showing very different results.
This is a post-debate poll.
https://abc7.com/politics/poll-biden-still-frontrunner-but-yang-gaining-ground-in-ca/5547440/
Yang is currently sitting in fifth place - but he's been climbing since the last survey. He's now at 7% in California, up from 1% in earlier surveys. And among voters ages 18-34, Yang is taking 14% of the vote.
Unsurprisingly, Biden is leading the pack with 27% support from voters across the state.
Though Biden is well ahead in the poll, it's mostly because his nearest rivals, including Harris, did not gain ground with voters across the Golden State following last week's debate in Houston.
He's followed by Sanders and Sen. Elizabeth Warren, with 18% and 16% of the votes, respectively.
Biden also leads Sanders and Warren among Latino voters at 29%, compared to their 22% and 15%. The political veteran is also ahead among self-described "very liberal" Democrats.
Warren and Harris, who remains stagnant in fourth place with 13%, both slid down a few points each in the poll.
When asked which candidate they believed would defeat Trump in a general election, 62% said Biden, showing a 21-point lead on Warren and Sanders.
That last sentence contains one of the poll's more surprising findings.
When asked whether they thought specific candidates could beat Trump in a general election, the only candidate who had more than 41% affirmative answers (which both Sanders and Warren got) was Biden at 62%.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)about the sexual harassment, pay inequalities, labor violations and complete lack of governance.
The money is drying out already.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,839 posts)She was one of the former staffers who raised the sexual harassment issues https://www.democraticunderground.com/1016224223 I wonder what she thinks about these issues
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
frazzled
(18,402 posts)that represents less than 1% (.007) of the actively voting public, if you take 2016 numbers for participation in the presidential elections. I wouldnt be all that heartened.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-08-20/bernie-sanders-donors-split-sprawling-democratic-2020-primary
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TwilightZone
(25,517 posts)Even if it did, he had around four million donors in the 2016 cycle. It seems unlikely that he's going to have similar numbers this cycle and there's more competition.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)or going with someone else. That is inline with your data (he had 4 million plus donors in 2016, but 1 million this time around).
The campaign to be watched in Senator Warren, she keeps growing stronger and has a tightly cohesive campaign. Her New York staff did an impressive job of setting up for her speech there, the infrastructure that they set up was awe inspiring, and she delivered with her speech.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TwilightZone
(25,517 posts)Her campaign does seem to be gaining momentum and seems better set up for the long haul of the primary process. It's going to be an interesting few months.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OAITW r.2.0
(24,759 posts)I get the impression that he is most engaged with the campaigning and speeches, but rather aloof to the process of getting elected. His best fit is Senator where he can live on his reputation with the Vermont voters who elected him and push the Party his way.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)While others are praising BS for his mastery in decision making... it's my opinion that a better candidate wouldn't need to be making these kinds of mid-stream course-corrections. Either BS is making bad decisions, or getting bad advice that wasn't recognized as being bad advice, or BS is giving too much responsibility to irresponsible campaign staff (and that in itself makes me wonder how BS would manage and run the Presidency.)
These are all fair observations and questions that deserve to be answered.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)this destructive battle through his surrogates.
As one of many working in Obamas grassroots campaign, I can tell you that higher up the chain tight monitoring meant no going negative, no matter what the opposition did. In fact, a group of us left to do our own thing, finding the rules restrictive.
It all comes from the top.
Really want a president who will do anything to win, including provide Republicans ammo?
I am not supporting Warren, but was horrified Sarandon took that low, cowardly (a certain candidate) swipe. Did he disavow it?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
oasis
(49,480 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
oasis
(49,480 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)anger and yelling are rarely successful in cooling heads ...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)If your campaign is in a massive chaos and disarray, how can the American people trust your ability to have a smooth, well-oiled administration?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,356 posts)^^^^^^^
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
keithbvadu2
(37,040 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,839 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TexasTowelie
(112,660 posts)Oops, wrong flour product.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Oh yeah. Tex-Mex.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,820 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TexasTowelie
(112,660 posts)I was in a bit of a groove this evening.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueMississippi
(776 posts)Thanks for the laugh
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
question everything
(47,580 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
aikoaiko
(34,186 posts)I'll wait to see if more reputable sources describe the same issues.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,839 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,839 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BannonsLiver
(16,542 posts)Am I supposed to be in awe? Politico is a digital rag started by a Reaganite.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueMississippi
(776 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... and the smears, attacks and general denigration of our party (directly and indirectly by surrogates) only create division and negativity. All I'm trying to say is that negativity generates apathy. Apathy discourages voter turnout. Low voter turnout gives Republicans a chance to steal the elections.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,839 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Any candidate who's mathematically eliminated prior to the convention should bow-out gracefully. Any candidate who does NOT do so only emphasizes his (or her) desire to harm the party, create division, suspicion and distrust, weaken our party's resolve, depress turnout, and ultimately make it easier for the GOP (and Russia) to steal the election.
It would be beneath contempt for anyone to do that simply because of his (or her) vanity and contempt for the Democratic party.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
myohmy2
(3,209 posts)" Even some of Sanders rivals said it would be unwise to discount him. Despite the concerns about his ground game in New Hampshire, his volunteer army remains formidable: A Boston Globe/Suffolk University poll released in August found that 35 percent of Democratic primary voters in the state who had heard directly from a campaign had been contacted by Sanders team, more than any other candidate.
"I think he will do well here, frankly, but I'm a bit of a contrarian on that. Everyone seems to be in a big rush to write him off, said a top New Hampshire Democrat and veteran of many presidential primaries in the state. John McCain and John Kerry were both deemed 'dead men walking' at this stage, too, and came back to win the New Hampshire primary. "
...but I'm not worried...we're a long ways away from the first primary vote...a week can an eternity in national politics and yet things can change on a dime...it reminds me of a fable,
https://berniesanders.com/issues/
...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueMississippi
(776 posts)he will have to go back to being a senator from VT. No one wants him to disappear. He is a reliable Democratic vote in the senate on all progressive issues except perhaps gun control.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
comradebillyboy
(10,184 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueMississippi
(776 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,839 posts)I was a delegate to the Philadelphia convention and saw how the process works. One key item is that under the rules, a candidate cannot be put into nomination without 300 delegates. https://democrats.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/2020-Call-for-Convention-WITH-Attachments-2.26.19.pdf
States in the following manner:
a. Requests to nominate a presidential candidate shall be in writing and shall have affixed thereto the written approval of the proposed nominee and the name of the individuals who shall be recognized to make the nominating and seconding speeches on behalf of a presidential candidate and shall be delivered to the Convention Secretary at a location as specified by the Secretary no later than 6:00 p.m. of the day preceding the day designated for the commencement of presidential nominations.
b. Each such request must be accompanied by a petition indicating support for the proposed nominee signed by delegates representing not less than 300 or more than 600 delegate votes, not more than 50 of which may come from one (1) delegation. A delegate may not sign more than one (1) nominating petition for president and for vice president. Pledged and automatic delegates may sign the petition.
If sanders is frozen out of enough states due to the 15% rule and remaining non-Biden delegates are split among several candidates, there is a chance that sanders may not reach 300 threshold
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Maru Kitteh
(28,345 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,839 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(298,021 posts)cream social in Iowa with a slam at Warren"! Or could that be part of the reason?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,839 posts)Link to tweet
The campaign announced in March that Jess Mazour would be political director in the first-in-the-nation caucus state, part of a first wave of early state hires. She is no longer on the team.....
The Sanders campaign has made other recent staffing moves in early nominating states, including New Hampshire, where state director Joe Caiazzo was replaced with Shannon Jackson, who ran Sanderss 2018 Senate reelection bid. Caiazzo will now head up the Sanders campaign operation in his home state of Massachusetts.
Kurt Ehrenberg, a New Hampshire senior adviser whose hiring was announced by the campaign the same day as Mazours was in March, is no longer with the campaign. Ehrenberg and Caiazzo had clashed over the past few months.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,839 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,839 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,839 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,839 posts)Link to tweet
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,839 posts)Here are more changes
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/biden-proposes-1-3-trillion-103000727.html
Sarah Ford, a campaign spokeswoman, confirmed that Jessica Bright would replace Kwadjo Campbell. She did not respond to a question about why Sanders made the change.
Sanders is trailing Joe Biden and Elizabeth Warren in the crucial primary state. In a RealClearPolitics average of polls between Oct. 3 and Oct. 21, Biden had support of 35% of the states likely Democratic voters, while Warren had 15.5% and Sanders had 12.8%.
In 2016, Sanders lost South Carolina by 47.5 points to eventual Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton, largely because he failed to appeal to the states critical bloc of African American voters. He has launched a broad effort to improve his standing in the state for 2020 against Biden, who is deeply popular with black voters.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,839 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden