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''I am very concerned about what appears to be a coup in Bolivia... '' (Original Post) Donkees Nov 2019 OP
His family's homes were burned and they rounded his family dewsgirl Nov 2019 #1
+1000 alwaysinasnit Nov 2019 #26
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Nov 2019 #2
Recommended Donkees. guillaumeb Nov 2019 #3
I would like to see a response to this from each Democratic Candidate. n/t MarcA Nov 2019 #4
I would imagine all but one would back the people of Bolivia. oldsoftie Nov 2019 #7
I hope to high heaven it's not what Bernie said. OldRed2450 Nov 2019 #9
Well, Bernie said the American dream was more apt to be realized in Venezuela. oldsoftie Nov 2019 #17
Well fuck that! New Argentian PM, Mexico, and Lula are BACK! floppyboo Nov 2019 #5
The military didnt remove him, he stepped down. He was corrupt & the last vote was as well. oldsoftie Nov 2019 #6
Watch this melman Nov 2019 #8
The Mayor of Vinto is not the President of Bolivia. George II Nov 2019 #14
Gross melman Nov 2019 #15
So now you're calling me a troll? HAH!!!! George II Nov 2019 #29
How disgusting RandiFan1290 Nov 2019 #33
K&R nt redqueen Nov 2019 #10
It was a coup by the people of Bolivia OldRed2450 Nov 2019 #11
WTF? ChubbyStar Nov 2019 #12
Why? OldRed2450 Nov 2019 #16
That is very aggressive ChubbyStar Nov 2019 #18
It most certainly was NOT a "coup". George II Nov 2019 #13
Exactly! OldRed2450 Nov 2019 #19
But you'll see the DU Chavez apologists come out in force against the facts. oldsoftie Nov 2019 #20
What was a "coup" was ignoring the term limits and remaining in power for a third and.... George II Nov 2019 #22
Exactly. Ignored because its inconvenient. oldsoftie Nov 2019 #23
**crickets** tritsofme Nov 2019 #32
He gave himself some room with the 'what appears to be' bullshit. nt UniteFightBack Nov 2019 #21
Just like using "it has been reported" to claim things that aren't true. George II Nov 2019 #24
Trump's State Dept is rushing to defend this violent coup. Aaron Pereira Nov 2019 #25
Welp. sheshe2 Nov 2019 #31
K&R alwaysinasnit Nov 2019 #27
It's a coup Kurt V. Nov 2019 #28
It's a mess, but.. Happy Hoosier Nov 2019 #30
 

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
1. His family's homes were burned and they rounded his family
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 06:09 PM
Nov 2019

up and threatened to kill them. All of this was done with US backing. Trump helped alright, he backed this right wing coup.


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Uncle Joe

(58,445 posts)
2. Kicked and recommended.
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 06:16 PM
Nov 2019

Thanks for the thread Donkees.

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MarcA

(2,195 posts)
4. I would like to see a response to this from each Democratic Candidate. n/t
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 06:36 PM
Nov 2019
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oldsoftie

(12,623 posts)
7. I would imagine all but one would back the people of Bolivia.
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 06:45 PM
Nov 2019

The last election was corrupted. He illegally ran for another term to begin with.
Now maybe they can have a REAL election.

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OldRed2450

(710 posts)
9. I hope to high heaven it's not what Bernie said.
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 09:03 PM
Nov 2019

How do we know it was a coup? It's incredibly irresponsible to call it a coup. Now more than ever I am freaked out by how Bernie would govern regarding foreign policy. Did he say this just because Evo said nice things about him or does he have facts?

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oldsoftie

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17. Well, Bernie said the American dream was more apt to be realized in Venezuela.
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 09:43 PM
Nov 2019
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floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
5. Well fuck that! New Argentian PM, Mexico, and Lula are BACK!
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 06:40 PM
Nov 2019

and Venezuela never left. So, question is, when all the SA members of OAS leave, what will be left?
Bolsonaro is on notice!
Ecuador is not giving up!

It can't be too soon to see a Sanders Presidency!!!

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oldsoftie

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6. The military didnt remove him, he stepped down. He was corrupt & the last vote was as well.
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 06:44 PM
Nov 2019

Although he HAD lost the military support & likely would have been removed at some point.
And he broke the law by taking office for another term anyway. He got HIS court packed with HIS judges, to rule that he could. You know how we talk about Trumps SCOTUS? Same thing here. But thats the norm for leaders like him; stay forever if possible. Thankfully the people of Bolivia saw what was coming and regained power before their country turned into another Venezuela
The NYT has more actual news on the story as well as the factors leading up to it

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/10/world/americas/evo-morales-bolivia.html

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George II

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14. The Mayor of Vinto is not the President of Bolivia.
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 09:25 PM
Nov 2019
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melman

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15. Gross
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 09:31 PM
Nov 2019

You see a woman brutally beaten and your response is to troll with gifs?

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George II

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29. So now you're calling me a troll? HAH!!!!
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 11:22 PM
Nov 2019
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RandiFan1290

(6,256 posts)
33. How disgusting
Tue Nov 12, 2019, 06:25 AM
Nov 2019

Right wingers love that kind of stuff.

Makes me sick to my stomach.

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OldRed2450

(710 posts)
11. It was a coup by the people of Bolivia
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 09:10 PM
Nov 2019

Morales wasn’t even legally allowed to run for President again in the last election, which he cheated in. He was completely illegitimate.

The people are the ones who want him gone. He's a socialist dictator and no USA candidate should support him.

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ChubbyStar

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12. WTF?
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 09:21 PM
Nov 2019

I'm still laughing.

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OldRed2450

(710 posts)
16. Why?
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 09:39 PM
Nov 2019

What part of Dictator Morales ran fraudulent elections in Blovia as declared by the independent OEA' do some people not seem to get? That is why he resigned. It was NOT a coup

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ChubbyStar

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18. That is very aggressive
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 09:43 PM
Nov 2019

Your opinion.

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George II

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13. It most certainly was NOT a "coup".
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 09:24 PM
Nov 2019
The Atlantic: "Evo Morales Finally Went Too Far for Bolivia"

The socialist president claimed authoritarian powers in the name of the popular will. But average citizens were fed up with arbitrary rule.

Evo Morales has been attacking Bolivia’s democracy for many years. Since coming to office in 2006, the socialist president has concentrated ever more authority in his own hands, denounced the opposition in aggressive terms, and placed loyalists in key institutions, from the country’s public broadcaster to its highest court.

Like many populists on both the left and the right, Morales claimed to wield power in the name of the people. But after weeks of mass protests in La Paz and other Bolivian cities, and the rapid crumbling of his support both within law enforcement and his own political party, it was his loss of legitimacy among the majority of his own countrymen that forced Morales to resign yesterday.

What he and some of his most credulous Western supporters described as a coup was in fact something very different: proof that Bolivians—like the citizens of many other countries around the world—resent arbitrary rule. The longer they have suffered from oppression, the more they have come to value the democratic institutions that are now threatened by populists around the globe.

As Morales started to come up against the two-term limit for presidents stipulated by the constitution he himself had championed in 2009, his enmity toward any semblance of the rule of law became more and more evident. In 2016, he held a binding referendum that would allow him to stay in office indefinitely. When a majority of Bolivians voted down the proposal, Morales resorted to his tight control of previously independent institutions to get his way. In 2017, the country’s supreme court ruled that limits on the length of his tenure in office would violate Morales’s human rights.


www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/11/evo-morales-finally-went-too-far-bolivia/601741/

In other words, he evolved into a dictator.
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OldRed2450

(710 posts)
19. Exactly!
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 09:43 PM
Nov 2019

If it was a coup, it was a coup by the people. https://twitter.com/anesperitlliure

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oldsoftie

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20. But you'll see the DU Chavez apologists come out in force against the facts.
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 09:45 PM
Nov 2019

Gotta move quick to push the "coup" narrative

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George II

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22. What was a "coup" was ignoring the term limits and remaining in power for a third and....
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 09:50 PM
Nov 2019

....as of a few weeks ago a fourth term.

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oldsoftie

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23. Exactly. Ignored because its inconvenient.
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 10:10 PM
Nov 2019
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UniteFightBack

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21. He gave himself some room with the 'what appears to be' bullshit. nt
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 09:50 PM
Nov 2019
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George II

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24. Just like using "it has been reported" to claim things that aren't true.
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 10:11 PM
Nov 2019
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Aaron Pereira

(383 posts)
25. Trump's State Dept is rushing to defend this violent coup.
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 10:18 PM
Nov 2019

This should be an easy one, where are we? I stand with Bernie on this one.

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sheshe2

(83,942 posts)
31. Welp.
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 11:39 PM
Nov 2019
Aaron Pereira
25. Trump's State Dept is rushing to defend this violent coup.

This should be an easy one, where are we? I stand with Bernie on this one.


Well if trumpie and state department think it is a good think then ya!!!!!! One must also believe separation of families, caged children, is beautiful. I for one do not believe a thing they say.
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Happy Hoosier

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30. It's a mess, but..
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 11:33 PM
Nov 2019

Morales is in the mold of Chavez and Maduro. He has corruptly worked to establish his power permanently. Way too many here in the USA naively embraced Chavez and his ilk.

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