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question everything

(47,460 posts)
Tue Nov 12, 2019, 11:03 PM Nov 2019

Dear Democrats: Here's How Not to Blow It - RAHM EMANUEL

This week’s elections confirmed two things.

One: Democrats are on a winning streak. We flipped Kentucky’s gubernatorial seat and won control of the Virginia state Legislature—this on top of the gains from 2018, when Democrats retook the U.S. House of Representatives, flipped six state houses and picked up seven gubernatorial seats. Two: The playbook Democrats have used to such success in swing states over the past year is being utterly ignored by our party’s presidential candidates.

(snip)

During both cycles, we won swing districts and battleground states by using the same playbook: sticking to an agenda that meets voters where and how they live their lives. In tone, tenor and talent, those winning candidates spoke to issues that middle-class voters face every day. Which raises the question: Why aren’t our leading presidential candidates looking to replicate that success? There’s a gaping disconnect between that successful playbook and the strategic choices on display during the ongoing presidential primary debates. Inexplicably, the men and women who want to be our party’s standard-bearer seem to be ignoring the unambiguous message voters are sending—and that should concern anyone who wants to defeat Trump in 2020.

(snip)

As the 2018 and 2019 elections proved beyond any doubt, if we’re going to prevail in battleground states like Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania, we both need to get our base to the polls and we need to persuade voters that they can safely vote for our candidates, knowing that they are the right choice for the country. Candidates like Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer and Kentucky Governor-elect Andy Beshear and a host of first-term members of the House of Representatives and a bevy of state legislators around the country have made absolutely plain how to win in battleground states and districts. They established a durable playbook for building coalitions between urban and suburban voters—an alliance that I term the “Metropolitan Majority.”

(snip)

The dissonance is remarkable. Compare what the candidates who won last year and this year’s elections have done to what the presidential candidates are offering ahead of 2020. On health care, successful Democrats didn’t mention "Medicare for All;" they explained how they would control prescription drug costs and preserve protections for preexisting conditions. They didn’t offer free college; they spoke about equity and fairness across the educational spectrum, from early childhood to higher ed. They didn’t talk about the Green New Deal so much as they proposed to expand renewable energy and invest in the jobs and growth that come with it. They didn’t offer to guarantee anyone’s income so much as explained how they would attract good jobs that would provide for a middle-class life. They didn’t talk about confiscating guns from law-abiding citizens; they promised to support the background checks that prevent criminals from getting access to weapons.

These distinctions matter. The substance of our ideas provides a window into what we care about, whose interests we’ll pursue and how we intend to govern. That’s why, as a political matter, the Democratic Party’s agenda needs to be practical, prudent and progressive. In his column yesterday, John Harris argued that it’s not always the “safe” Democrats who make history. Maybe so, but that’s putting the cart before the horse: You can’t make history if you don’t hold the White House, and that has to be the overwhelming priority this year.

More..

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/11/08/democrats-2020-advice-rahm-emanuel-229909


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Dear Democrats: Here's How Not to Blow It - RAHM EMANUEL (Original Post) question everything Nov 2019 OP
Only memory i have of Rahm Emanuel tiredtoo Nov 2019 #1
Forgot that one!! Or, was it just the UAW?! Not sure. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2019 #10
And the biggie.."fuck the internet's"and the millions of young people following President Obama. Ninga Nov 2019 #54
How About THe Way He Destroyed Howard Dean With PBO Me. Nov 2019 #58
valid argument evertonfc Nov 2019 #2
Thanks for the Advice Rahm ritapria Nov 2019 #3
Rahm's history of what we Won and how we Did Cha Nov 2019 #6
Rahm Pushed Through NAFTA ritapria Nov 2019 #8
Rahm is right in the OP. Cha Nov 2019 #9
I wish people wouldnt be so quick to be willing to risk losing the election Eliot Rosewater Nov 2019 #53
True that!! One of several bad policies. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2019 #11
Yeah, and Sanders and Warren were bashing Obama and Clinton over trade, similar to Hoyt Nov 2019 #14
Advocacy of TPP was a Political Disaster ritapria Nov 2019 #17
It was "political disaster" because Sanders and Warren misinterpreted the agreements Hoyt Nov 2019 #21
Yes they were.. and Cha Nov 2019 #22
Moving the goalposts again, eh? LanternWaste Nov 2019 #50
So true...like him or hate him. He's a savvy politician that knows how to win Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #13
We are going to be the party that loses if we are not careful. I have heard some here saying the 18 Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #15
Funny how the right wing never worries about being too right wing, to the point of fascism. TeamPooka Nov 2019 #24
Because they have won over voters ...we have not done this...we need to get out and win the folks Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #39
Well said. Thank you question everything Nov 2019 #59
It is a good question...I also think in the past the GOP has had strong support in their party...but Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #61
I think you've nailed it... myohmy2 Nov 2019 #23
And yet, the arguments presented in the OP stopdiggin Nov 2019 #28
Yup, the the general public is more moderate than many want to admit Amishman Nov 2019 #48
Lets become the party of 'I win' and move the ball down the field...won't make our progressive Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #40
Rahm Emmanuel was instrumental in electing Barack Obama. George II Nov 2019 #36
Or, let's become the party that picks and choose "pro-choice" only when convenient question everything Nov 2019 #43
I believe he is absolutely right. TreasonousBastard Nov 2019 #4
He's right.. I don't care what else he said.. Cha Nov 2019 #5
Exactly Cha. Blue_true Nov 2019 #19
Yep. All that "revolution" talk will turn the majority of voters off... Kahuna7 Nov 2019 #33
I'll take evolution over revolution any day. LanternWaste Nov 2019 #51
Rahm is absolutely correct. n/t PhoenixDem Nov 2019 #7
He's got great advice. So he will be castigated by many here. Dont forget the goal; oldsoftie Nov 2019 #12
The candidates who insist on attacking MFA and the Green New Deal, really need to stop. DCofVA Nov 2019 #16
We can get 10 million new Voters ritapria Nov 2019 #18
working class voters are NOT terribly progressive stopdiggin Nov 2019 #30
I'm not asking for all the candidates to grow a spine and put their full support behind MFA... DCofVA Nov 2019 #55
I agree dgauss Nov 2019 #65
You can provide the data to support that claim? Or just another banal t-shirt slogan? LanternWaste Nov 2019 #52
This. BlueMTexpat Nov 2019 #26
If that is what is supporting the Democratic Party than we are fucked....because the country is not Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #47
I like the fourth paragraph. Kitchen table issues. PatrickforO Nov 2019 #20
I am NOT a fan BlueMTexpat Nov 2019 #25
Some very true words, BlueMTexpat democrank Nov 2019 #27
Ditto, and among other reasons, elleng Nov 2019 #29
Dems didn't get the most out of the agile and articulate Howard BeyondGeography Nov 2019 #35
We wouldn't even have the ACA if it had been up to Rahm. n/t demmiblue Nov 2019 #37
Absolutely! eom BlueMTexpat Nov 2019 #64
Killing the messenger, again question everything Nov 2019 #45
Rahm Emmanuel is a slime mold and represents most of what is wrong in American politics pecosbob Nov 2019 #31
dems are gaining bc an irritated electorate backlash to an immoral and vulgar trump, being led by Kurt V. Nov 2019 #32
That is going to take you only so far...and the candidates suburban women are voting for are Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #41
I love Rahm, murielm99 Nov 2019 #34
You are correct...I was born at Great Lakes. Dad grew up in Chicago...lived their a good part of my Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #42
Apples to Oranges? SomewhereInTheMiddle Nov 2019 #38
The point is the primary is supposed to field a candidate that can win the Electoral College... Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #44
Also about running left...if you run too far left when you attempt to move to the center...you can't Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #46
Exactly loyalsister Nov 2019 #49
Who fucking asked Rahm? Blue_Tires Nov 2019 #56
Then cover your ears question everything Nov 2019 #62
"unable"? Keep telling yourself that, bro... Blue_Tires Nov 2019 #66
He is right and is very savvy politically. Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #63
So are John Edwards and Marc Rich... You want to take advice from them, too?? Blue_Tires Nov 2019 #67
Yes Because The Poor Stupid Dems Don't Know What The Heck They're Doing Me. Nov 2019 #57
Doesn't he have some police misconduct... tonedevil Nov 2019 #60
 

tiredtoo

(2,949 posts)
1. Only memory i have of Rahm Emanuel
Tue Nov 12, 2019, 11:15 PM
Nov 2019

Is when he said "Fuck the Unions."

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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
10. Forgot that one!! Or, was it just the UAW?! Not sure.
Tue Nov 12, 2019, 11:30 PM
Nov 2019

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
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Ninga

(8,274 posts)
54. And the biggie.."fuck the internet's"and the millions of young people following President Obama.
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 12:37 PM
Nov 2019
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Me.

(35,454 posts)
58. How About THe Way He Destroyed Howard Dean With PBO
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 01:19 PM
Nov 2019

and they were so rude and dismissive of him because of that.

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evertonfc

(1,713 posts)
2. valid argument
Tue Nov 12, 2019, 11:15 PM
Nov 2019

My God I remember the absolute excitement of Bill Clinton and Obama. We don't have that this time but we should still be able to be an impeached President. Surely

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ritapria

(1,812 posts)
3. Thanks for the Advice Rahm
Tue Nov 12, 2019, 11:20 PM
Nov 2019

Let's Become the Party of " No We Can't " or Perhaps " (Little) Hope and ( Pocket) Change" .. That will rally the Base ….. Full throated Economic Populism will carry the day in the crucial Rust Belt States we need to defeat Trump ……….Trump won those states on a message of Faux Populism ..…….He won't be able to defeat the real deal

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Cha

(297,029 posts)
6. Rahm's history of what we Won and how we Did
Tue Nov 12, 2019, 11:22 PM
Nov 2019

it is dead on.

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ritapria

(1,812 posts)
8. Rahm Pushed Through NAFTA
Tue Nov 12, 2019, 11:24 PM
Nov 2019
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Cha

(297,029 posts)
9. Rahm is right in the OP.
Tue Nov 12, 2019, 11:28 PM
Nov 2019
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Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
53. I wish people wouldnt be so quick to be willing to risk losing the election
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 12:33 PM
Nov 2019

so they can get M4All.

I dont know if it is a losing issue nationally, for the election, if it is then we cant go there, yet.

if it isnt all the better as I am a big supporter.

What I see are fans of a certain nominee who will ONLY support candidates who support M4All, that is so sad.

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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
11. True that!! One of several bad policies.
Tue Nov 12, 2019, 11:31 PM
Nov 2019

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
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Undecided
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
14. Yeah, and Sanders and Warren were bashing Obama and Clinton over trade, similar to
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 12:00 AM
Nov 2019

trump, right up to 2016 election. They were all wrong on NAFTA, TPP, European trade deal. America First is junk and will cost us long-term.

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ritapria

(1,812 posts)
17. Advocacy of TPP was a Political Disaster
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 12:21 AM
Nov 2019

That is why Hillary Clinton abandoned TPP during the campaign ...Our manufacturing base has nearly vanished … Automation will finish off that remnant ...

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Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
21. It was "political disaster" because Sanders and Warren misinterpreted the agreements
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 12:48 AM
Nov 2019

and importance of the agreements to the world economy.

They supported the America First junk that considers foreign workers as scabs and fails to understand much of what is good for America is good for our foreign friends.

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Cha

(297,029 posts)
22. Yes they were.. and
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 01:01 AM
Nov 2019

no thanks for that, btw.

Mahalo for the reminder, Hoyt!

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LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
50. Moving the goalposts again, eh?
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 12:28 PM
Nov 2019

Your sentiment is irrelevant to both the OP and the topic and hand.

But I get it... if it's not a puff piece for BS, you're forced to dismiss is and change the subject.

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Thekaspervote

(32,750 posts)
13. So true...like him or hate him. He's a savvy politician that knows how to win
Tue Nov 12, 2019, 11:54 PM
Nov 2019
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Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
15. We are going to be the party that loses if we are not careful. I have heard some here saying the 18
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 12:04 AM
Nov 2019

midterms and the recent elections show a progressive candidate can win...no they didn't. Moderates won back the house running on the ACA mostly in 18; and moderates took GOP seats in red and purple states most recently...progressives played musical chairs with safe Democratic seats in 18. The country is center left, we go too far left and we lose to Trump...and God help us if they get another job...we can't risk four more years of Trump. And a candidate perceived to be too far to the left could cost us the house as well...think about four more years of Trump with Congress...gives me nightmares.

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TeamPooka

(24,216 posts)
24. Funny how the right wing never worries about being too right wing, to the point of fascism.
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 02:48 AM
Nov 2019

But as soon as the Democrats step one foot past the center to the left everyone starts to get the vapors.

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Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
39. Because they have won over voters ...we have not done this...we need to get out and win the folks
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 11:11 AM
Nov 2019

over to our side...but you can't just say...time for a candidate who is really left...it is our turn when the country is center left...you will go down in flames. We won the House in 20 and elections this year with moderate candidates...I have heard on this board how 18 shows how a progressive can win, but it doesn't. It shows that when we have a big tent with progressives and moderates we win...without this,we lose.

Given Warren's policy proposals, she will lose a general IMHO...sure I will vote for her and you will vote for her, but We need more than Democrats...and this mean appealing to the center. And Republicans are faithful party people-us not so much...we act so superior about this but who has the judges, who has gotten their policy through>

The Greens should change their name ...they have damaged climate change policy and the environment so much. We need to vote for whoever wins the Democratic nomination and along the way consider electability as the single most important 'issue' there is...because you don't get to do anything unless you win in 20 and beyond...and by win, I mean an Electoral College win.

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Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
61. It is a good question...I also think in the past the GOP has had strong support in their party...but
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 01:46 PM
Nov 2019

the last couple of elections show that may be cracking. We can hope.

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myohmy2

(3,152 posts)
23. I think you've nailed it...
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 01:15 AM
Nov 2019

" Let's Become the Party of " No We Can't " or Perhaps " (Little) Hope and ( Pocket) Change" "

...'more of the same' will only yield us 'more of the same'...not good

...'more of the same' won't work...

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stopdiggin

(11,285 posts)
28. And yet, the arguments presented in the OP
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 04:56 AM
Nov 2019

worked to win us elections, majorities, and places at the table in both 18 and 19. But, hey .. if that's not working for you, then by all means ...

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Amishman

(5,554 posts)
48. Yup, the the general public is more moderate than many want to admit
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 11:59 AM
Nov 2019

This is why Biden and Mayor Pete poll better head to head with Trump than Warren and Sanders.

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Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
40. Lets become the party of 'I win' and move the ball down the field...won't make our progressive
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 11:19 AM
Nov 2019

dreams a reality right away but we can begin the process...if we take an all our nothing approach, we lose and then we get nothing. Americans need us to save the ACA and stop the Trump fascist coup that is in the works....the all or nothing approach won't work. Vote blue not matter who and we might be amazed at what is possible...also people could we please have the president's back in the God Damn midterms? All of them please.

And blue state progressives and everyone else to for that matter could we go down to red and purple states, districts etc...and being at the grass roots level to win hearts and minds...taking already held Democratic seat is a wast of money and time in terms of taking back this country. We need a Senate and while folks are all in for the presidential elections...without Congress nothing gets done. The Senate makes you weep if you look at our chances to win a majority; how about we consider which candidate will help in taking the Senate back too. We get no judges unless we have the Senate...Let's turn this thing around and win.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
36. Rahm Emmanuel was instrumental in electing Barack Obama.
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 09:39 AM
Nov 2019
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question everything

(47,460 posts)
43. Or, let's become the party that picks and choose "pro-choice" only when convenient
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 11:27 AM
Nov 2019

Yes about abortion; no about private health insurance.

As he concludes: we have to get the power to make changes.

We flipped the House with moderates not with “revolutionary reps.

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TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
4. I believe he is absolutely right.
Tue Nov 12, 2019, 11:21 PM
Nov 2019

We have to stop arguing among ourselves about details and understand what real voters are looking for.

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Cha

(297,029 posts)
5. He's right.. I don't care what else he said..
Tue Nov 12, 2019, 11:21 PM
Nov 2019

he's dead on here.

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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
19. Exactly Cha.
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 12:33 AM
Nov 2019

People need to pull their heads out of their butts and realize that the big gains in 2018 Special Elections, the 2018 General, the 2019 General were all contested seats where moderate-left candidates took out republicans. People like The Squad won in safe blue districts that would have sent almost ANY democrat to Washington.

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Kahuna7

(2,531 posts)
33. Yep. All that "revolution" talk will turn the majority of voters off...
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 08:03 AM
Nov 2019

trump was revolution enough. People want to dial back the crazy.

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LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
51. I'll take evolution over revolution any day.
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 12:31 PM
Nov 2019
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oldsoftie

(12,516 posts)
12. He's got great advice. So he will be castigated by many here. Dont forget the goal;
Tue Nov 12, 2019, 11:36 PM
Nov 2019

DEFEAT TRUMP

everything else is meaningless if you cant do that FIRST

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DCofVA

(714 posts)
16. The candidates who insist on attacking MFA and the Green New Deal, really need to stop.
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 12:05 AM
Nov 2019

It’s like taking a saw to one leg supporting the Democratic Party. It’s gonna be really hard to win the big race on just one leg.

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ritapria

(1,812 posts)
18. We can get 10 million new Voters
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 12:30 AM
Nov 2019

by running on a bold, unapologetic progressive agenda …..The so called moderate Republicans voted for Trump .. Trump owns the Republican Party ….The Country Club set will vote for him again so long as their stock portfolios continue to rise ……...We need working class voters to rally to our standard …

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stopdiggin

(11,285 posts)
30. working class voters are NOT terribly progressive
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 05:02 AM
Nov 2019

I'm not sure where you get the idea that they are going to rally to an agenda that is skewed progressive. Good luck. But that's one hell of a sales job you got in front of you!

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DCofVA

(714 posts)
55. I'm not asking for all the candidates to grow a spine and put their full support behind MFA...
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 12:42 PM
Nov 2019

and the Green New Deal.
I'm only saying, it would be very helpful if they would stop eating their own. Stop the attacks on MFA and the Green New Deal.

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dgauss

(882 posts)
65. I agree
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 03:15 PM
Nov 2019

Emanuel described MFA this way (emphasis below is mine) on This Week with Stephanopoulos:


STEPHANOPOULOS: That -- that's separate from the question, though, is, are those ideas that she's putting out there, are they taking the Democrats out of the center?

CHRISTIE: Oh, they are. I mean, there's no -- listen, there's no question about that. They are taking the Democrats out of the center. And that's going to be the bigger problem. That is going to be why it's ultimately, in my view, going to come down to Biden and Warren. And it's going to be electability vs. purity. And that happens on the Republican side all the time too, George, when we're in the situation...
....

EMANUEL: The risk you said, and which is appropriate, and it measures up as, health care is the single issue that Democrats have a 35-point advantage on. President Trump's trying to do everything he can to narrow that down. We have taken a position so far, and the candidates have, through the process -- a few have not -- about -- on basically Medicare for all, which is , we're going to eliminate 150 million people's health care, and we're going to provide health care for people that have just come over the border.


So step one, spread around ideas like MFA would "eliminate 150 million people's health care"

Step two, convince democrats that some people just aren't sure about MFA, so we should forget about it.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/week-transcript-19-secretary-state-mike-pompeo-dnc/story?id=65464007


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LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
52. You can provide the data to support that claim? Or just another banal t-shirt slogan?
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 12:32 PM
Nov 2019
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BlueMTexpat

(15,365 posts)
26. This.
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 04:38 AM
Nov 2019

Unfortunately, there are still too many Dems like Rahm.

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Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
47. If that is what is supporting the Democratic Party than we are fucked....because the country is not
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 11:36 AM
Nov 2019

with us yet...hard work ahead to move the country left.

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PatrickforO

(14,566 posts)
20. I like the fourth paragraph. Kitchen table issues.
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 12:47 AM
Nov 2019

I don't mind Klobuchar either. I could surely support her, though I like Warren better.

As to Rahm Emanuel, well...not my favorite. Glad he's not running.

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BlueMTexpat

(15,365 posts)
25. I am NOT a fan
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 04:37 AM
Nov 2019

of Emanuel, even if he may occasionally be correct in the "stopped-clock" sense.

He dissed Howard Dean and prevented him from being Prez O's HHS Secretary, which is likely a major reason why the ACA was never as strong as it could have been.

Yes, I know, "Republicans" and all that. But Dean was actually quite persuasive with Republicans, which too many Dems of the Rahm ilk were very quick to forget or deliberately ignored. Some still are and do.


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democrank

(11,092 posts)
27. Some very true words, BlueMTexpat
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 04:51 AM
Nov 2019

I honestly believe Emanuel is one reason there are now more Independents than Democrats in this country. He did a lot of damage.

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elleng

(130,825 posts)
29. Ditto, and among other reasons,
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 04:56 AM
Nov 2019

when I asked him whether the Dems should use the '50 state solution' those many years ago (when he was in DC promoting a book at Politics and Prose,) he refused to answer my question.

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BeyondGeography

(39,367 posts)
35. Dems didn't get the most out of the agile and articulate Howard
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 08:58 AM
Nov 2019

A lot seem to have a problem with truth and sass.

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demmiblue

(36,833 posts)
37. We wouldn't even have the ACA if it had been up to Rahm. n/t
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 09:44 AM
Nov 2019
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question everything

(47,460 posts)
45. Killing the messenger, again
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 11:31 AM
Nov 2019

Why not look at the contents of the comment and debate it?

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pecosbob

(7,534 posts)
31. Rahm Emmanuel is a slime mold and represents most of what is wrong in American politics
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 05:11 AM
Nov 2019

A synopsis of the slime's comments...vote for moderate candidates or scary Trump will destroy us all.

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Kurt V.

(5,624 posts)
32. dems are gaining bc an irritated electorate backlash to an immoral and vulgar trump, being led by
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 06:30 AM
Nov 2019

mostly suburban women.

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Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
41. That is going to take you only so far...and the candidates suburban women are voting for are
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 11:23 AM
Nov 2019

moderates mostly. This is a center left country...we have to change that before we run on progressive policy such as M4A.

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murielm99

(30,724 posts)
34. I love Rahm,
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 08:51 AM
Nov 2019

and Madigan, too. They are ruthless Illinois Democrats. We need one hundred more just like them, here in Illinois and nationally.

They get things done.

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Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
42. You are correct...I was born at Great Lakes. Dad grew up in Chicago...lived their a good part of my
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 11:25 AM
Nov 2019

childhood...(back and forth) as parents were in the Navy. They tell it like they see it and understand that winning isn't just 'good'...it is all that matters in the end.

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38. Apples to Oranges?
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 11:02 AM
Nov 2019

My question is were the strategies to OP touted used in primaries or the general election. I believe they were used I the generals against republican opponents. Why is he comparing that to the strategies in use in primaries by candidates vying against other democrats for the nomination?

I have always heard “run left in the primaries and center in the general” as a truism for democratic presidential candidates. While glib, I think there is some truth to this. Right now I see a strong push among many of the primary candidates to highlight their progressive virtues. I do not know that the winning candidate, whoever it turns out to be, will do the same in the general election against trump. That seems to be where the strategies Emanuel is suggesting would be more effective.

Comparing primaries to generals seems flawed.

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Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
44. The point is the primary is supposed to field a candidate that can win the Electoral College...
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 11:31 AM
Nov 2019

He doesn't and neither do I believe a candidate can win running on what moderates will see as far left...like MFA, and free college etc. Yesterday, I saw a post where Warren had said she wants to stop deportations, decriminalize border crossings and give undocumented folks MFA...it was at a church thing and posted on DU...there is probably a video too..I couldn't believe it. If we run like this, we will lose and it doesn't have to happen. Howard Dean ran candidate tailored to districts and states...and we had a 60 vote majority in the Senate at the end and a Democratic president.

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Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
46. Also about running left...if you run too far left when you attempt to move to the center...you can't
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 11:32 AM
Nov 2019

do it credibly. And I don't think Sen. Warren will move to the center anyway.

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loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
49. Exactly
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 12:02 PM
Nov 2019

There's also a huge difference between state and local elections vs presidential. Electoral politics being what they are, I know individual states matter, but if we had decided we should go as far right as the most conservative state, George Wallace might have been acceptable to some strategists. The Democrats made the smart and ethical decision to let the Dixiecrats go and do their thing rather than enable them.
We are at a similar point with climate change. The situation is urgent and I don't think we have time to waste on ineffective, incremental policies.
Rahm had his time. I have no further interest in his brand of right wing enabling.

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Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
56. Who fucking asked Rahm?
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 12:55 PM
Nov 2019

He can go piss up a rope for all I care...

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question everything

(47,460 posts)
62. Then cover your ears
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 01:47 PM
Nov 2019

But attacking the messenger shows that you are unable to debate and respond. OK in your private life but not for those of us who think that the elections are too important for such an attitude.

But then, when Warren claims that the ones with opposing views should not be on the debate stage, and are running in the "wrong primaries" I can see why many here agree.

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Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
66. "unable"? Keep telling yourself that, bro...
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 04:24 PM
Nov 2019

I don't know why the advice of some dude who was universally unloved on DU and had to flee an office ridden in scandal is taken for the gospel all of a sudden...

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Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
63. He is right and is very savvy politically.
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 01:47 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
67. So are John Edwards and Marc Rich... You want to take advice from them, too??
Thu Nov 14, 2019, 09:39 AM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Me.

(35,454 posts)
57. Yes Because The Poor Stupid Dems Don't Know What The Heck They're Doing
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 01:18 PM
Nov 2019

Jesus wept with all these armchair quarterbacks. They all need to shut up, especially McCaskill on MSNBC this morning. As far as I'm concerned, listening to the hgearing this morning...THEY've Got This.

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tonedevil

(3,022 posts)
60. Doesn't he have some police misconduct...
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 01:37 PM
Nov 2019

to cover up?

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