Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumBarack Obama and Nancy Pelosi think we shouldn't get too radical in our campaign positions...
...but what do they know when compared to the opinion of the blogosphere?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)Are the radicals catching on or something? If so, why would that be?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)I am. Arent you?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)Every Democratic nominating contest Ive seen was decided by voters and I understood the wisdom of their choice, even if I didnt always agree. Seems the adults in the room are getting a little thumby on the scales at this still very early stage. Not sure I understand the wisdom of that choice.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
brooklynite
(94,540 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,196 posts)to Win Elections.. that's why we're here.
Link to tweet
Btw, as you know EW has "retreated from mfa" .. was she being "steered"?
Elizabeth Warren Retreats From Medicare for All
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287347526
Link to tweet
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
whathehell
(29,067 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
beastie boy
(9,338 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
whathehell
(29,067 posts)but I think too much reticence and resistance to change can lead there.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,196 posts)do some have to resort to insults.
They do nothing to make their case.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,764 posts)And advice. No candidate should take offense. They have our very best interest at heart
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)...an election (22 years).
Why should we listen to them????????????????????
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,196 posts)giving their opinions! I do declare!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,196 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
beastie boy
(9,338 posts)as they please, are you?
How does Obama and Pelosi speaking up amount to getting thumby or holding your hand? It's not like they are pressuring anyone. Can't voters just hear them out and make up their own minds?
I don't quite get your use of metaphors.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,565 posts)This simply can't happen.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(42,316 posts)I trust their judgement.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
mcar
(42,316 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,196 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,196 posts)there damn well better be "Concerned"!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DownriverDem
(6,228 posts)Too many folks are not focusing on the electorate in the General Election.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
at140
(6,110 posts)Nope, she was not, yet she lost the EV.
It is about time to try something different, something which has appeal from the downtrodden vast 90%.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,196 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ancianita
(36,053 posts)Please elaborate on who the radicals are.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
questionseverything
(9,654 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ancianita
(36,053 posts)Re decent healthcare, when the Social Security Administration runs Medicare For All, it will do so with money saved by health care recipients who pay far more for insurance-based healthcare premiums and overhead ("administrative costs" , which cost Americans MANY TIMES MORE times than Medicare's overhead. https://pnhp.org/resource/pnhp-research-the-case-for-a-national-health-program/
Any taxes will be far less than premium payments to privatized health providers, with the advantage of permanent 24/7 coverage and no wrangling with paperwork and tricksy a la cart fees and charges.
I daresay MFA sounds pretty conservative, not radical at all.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
msongs
(67,405 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,196 posts)this thing and they know how to do it.
I stand with Speaker Pelosi and President Barack Obama!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)can not afford to lose.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,196 posts)Obama, emmaverybo.
They have our interests at heart.. not their own.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,764 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,197 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,196 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
J_William_Ryan
(1,753 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
whathehell
(29,067 posts)Not sure how he does for others..He didn't do so well for Hillary.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,196 posts)on President Barack Obama.. 'cause that's ridiculous.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
questionseverything
(9,654 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Thekaspervote
(32,764 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
whathehell
(29,067 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,196 posts)would say.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
whathehell
(29,067 posts)We don't agree on everything, but Barack still rocks! :
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)....most Americans, particularly those in front of a keyboard.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,197 posts)I and other true Democrats have been working hard to turn Texas blue. We hope to pick up six congressional seats in addition to the two seats we flipped in 2018. We have a chance to defeat Cornyn in the Senate. The Democrats picked up 12 seats in the Texas House and need 9 more to take control of the Texas House prior to the next redistricting session. If Biden is the nominee, Texas will be a battleground state. If Warren or sanders is the nominee. Texas will not be a battle ground state and we can forget about keeping the two seats that we flipped in 2018
Speaker Pelosi is worried about losing control of the House with a weak top of the ballot ticket with a program that will kill down ballot candidates
.
Link to tweet
This is going to cause down-ballot damage in swing districts and states if shes the nominee, Buentello says, describing how her Pueblo-area constituents who voted overwhelmingly for Donald Trump in 2016 were already echoing criticisms about a giant, one-size-fits-all big government run plan that cancels private health insurance and raises taxes.
Story Continued Below
The fear of blowback is indicative of the broad and largely negative response to Warrens proposal from centrist, moderate and rural Democrats many of whom, like Buentello, back Joe Biden in the primary. And it exposes the fault line between those who fret about winning voters in the center and the activist progressive base propelling Warren to the front of the Democratic pack.
The long-awaited plan to raise the $20.5 trillion she says is needed to pay for single-payer health care in America is Warrens attempt to answer critics after weeks of questions from rival candidates about the cost of her proposal and the prospect of higher taxes. Warren promised, as she has in the past, that "not one penny in middle-class tax increases is necessary to finance the effort.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
aidbo
(2,328 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
PhoenixDem
(581 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Voltaire2
(13,027 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,196 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Two winners know the way to win.
Denigrating Obama and Pelosi with the centrist label proves the OP's comment:
But then what do they know compared to the opinion of the blogosphere?
Oy!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,196 posts)Not Working.. Winning is Everything and I Always will listen to those Winners I know and respect over "Blogsophere".
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,764 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,196 posts)like Speaker Pelosi and President Obama don't have this Nation and Planet's best interests at heart.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
whathehell
(29,067 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,196 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
melman
(7,681 posts)Hmm...if only..
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,196 posts)trump and the LIES of Jill Fucking Stein lost her votes in SWING STATES because Jill FUCKING STEIN and ssarandon Lied that Hillary was WORSE that that fucking idiot in the wh.
Link to tweet
If they only could GET IT about the Russian interference in the election that's been Reported on for years on the TV.
If ONLY.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
melman
(7,681 posts)I do. And I'm sure I'm not the only one who does.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,196 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
melman
(7,681 posts)If I'm mistaken in that then be assured there are posts available. Let me know if you'd like some pulled up.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,196 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Feel free to show me anywhere I've made pro-Stein posts. You can't.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,196 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
melman
(7,681 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,196 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
melman
(7,681 posts)this post here --->https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=348122
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,196 posts)lose because of "centrist" as you posted.
And, a big reason trump got in was because of RF jill Fucking stein's LIES about Hillary.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)When someone believes that what they think determines what is and isn't fact...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,196 posts)is sticking to it no matter how much proof to the contrary.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
melman
(7,681 posts)upper right corner. Knock yourself out.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)...only goes back to 2011, not 2008.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,512 posts)access it? Odd.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)You're funny!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,754 posts)You accuse and yet only tease a name/s.
Here are some facts for you, melman. People can be passionate about a candidate, I was for Obama from the beginning. If he had lost the primary I would have been heartbroken and then would have thrown my full support behind the DEMOCRATIC winner. Why? Because our Democracy matters and it is what true Democrat's do.
That is unlike some that refused and voted third party. Nina Turner comes to mind. Nina Turner.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
melman
(7,681 posts)Very sorry but you can't always get what you want. The Rolling Stones have a whole song about it.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)51. I'll take that as a yes
If I'm mistaken in that then be assured there are posts available. Let me know if you'd like some pulled up.
Methinks they don't exist.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,754 posts)51. I'll take that as a yes
If I'm mistaken in that then be assured there are posts available. Let me know if you'd like some pulled up.
A few moments late, you say:
93. Not going to do that for you
Very sorry but you can't always get what you want. The Rolling Stones have a whole song about it.
Say what?
First this:
Moments later:
Very sorry but you can't always get what you want.
Twilight Zone... ... .
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,512 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,196 posts)and of course those who can't move on.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,754 posts)Please name names, melman.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
melman
(7,681 posts)upper right corner. Knock yourself out.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
sheshe2
(83,754 posts)Moving goalposts.
You made the accusation, provide the information.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
melman
(7,681 posts)And moved no goalposts. Done here.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
You did. Then did.
Nightie night.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)....as pointed out, "Advanced search" isn't available to anyone who isn't a star member, so how would you know?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
melman
(7,681 posts)For two reasons:
1. I was here and remember
2. I know how to use the internet
protip: google custom date range
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)....about writing checks, don't you?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
melman
(7,681 posts)upper right corner. Knock yourself out.
and btw, I said I'd pull them up if someone didn't remember. Someone made it quite clear they do.
Done. For real this time. Have a great night!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,512 posts)helped Trump win the swing states and your response is to imply that person said mean things about Hillary in 2008 and ... so?
Your point? That Hillary didn't get more votes than Trump and Stein had no effect on swing states votes? Because this is correct no matter who says it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
that is certainly not my point and nowhere did I say anything that would indicate it was my point.
But thanks for your input. It's much appreciated.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
betsuni
(25,512 posts)We've gone over this. These auto-kill-the-messenger attacks have no point.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,196 posts)Gratitude!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,512 posts)board I wasn't even a member of during that year's primaries!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,196 posts)getting behind then Senator Obama at roll call..
Hillary Clinton Nominates Obama on New Yorks Behalf
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/hillary-clinton-nominates-obama-on-new-yorks-behalf
She impressed me so much I was in tears.. still am reading it again.. .. and I immediately became a Hillary Supporter.. rooting for her and President Obama to succeed!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,512 posts)Now I can't remember the name of it and can't find it. But she definitely did all she could.
One thing I do remember from 2008 is this, from The Onion. Don't know why I think it's so funny:
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,196 posts)she didn't meander one bit.. she wanted him to WIN!
Ouch on the Onion!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,512 posts)program to get hold-outs to vote for Obama, started it in September. It's really bugging me! I'll keep searching.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,196 posts)that was a problem.. Thankfully Hillary was the Anti-PUMA.. and she and President Obama prevailed.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,754 posts)117. Advanced search
upper right corner. Knock yourself out.
and btw, I said I'd pull them up if someone didn't remember. Someone made it quite clear they do.
I told you I was not here in 2008.
98. Then why say:
51. I'll take that as a yes
If I'm mistaken in that then be assured there are posts available. Let me know if you'd like some pulled up.
A few moments late, you say:
93. Not going to do that for you
Very sorry but you can't always get what you want. The Rolling Stones have a whole song about it.
Say what?
First this:
"Let me know if you'd like some pulled up."
Moments later:
Not going to do that for you
Very sorry but you can't always get what you want.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287348021#post98
Ya neva eva said if.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
melman
(7,681 posts)This ---->"Let me know if you'd like some pulled up."
Wasn't said to you. Night night.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
sheshe2
(83,754 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,196 posts)2008.. it's about my not liking Hillary in the primary. I was a wild child.. but I've learned since then.
Evidently he can't handle his "centrist" meme for Hillary isn't working so he's trying to "kill the messenger".
I moved on during the 2008 DNC Convention when I applauded Hillary but apparently some are too stuck in the past to get over it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)....on what might have happened more than 11 years ago. Sounds like something on which beans grew for Jack!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_and_the_Beanstalk
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,196 posts)apt description.. this is Not the first time he's attempted to change the subject with bringing up something that happened 11 years ago...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,196 posts)this is when I became a Hillary supporter.. she showed she was a TEAM Player..
Hillary Clinton Nominates Obama on New Yorks Behalf
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/hillary-clinton-nominates-obama-on-new-yorks-behalf
I started crying with happiness and I'm doing it again just reading about the memory..
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)I know that early on I was a strong supporter for Hillary Clinton, but as the campaign progressed I saw more of Barack Obama and what he stood for. I slowly migrated to Obama and was a big supporter by late spring.
I would have supported either in the General Election, and obviously Hillary Clinton was a wholehearted supporter of Barack Obama and he recognized her qualifications by choosing her as his first Secretary of State.
Her comments from the floor were proved that out:
Madam Secretary, Madam Secretary, I move that the convention suspend the procedural rules and suspend the further conduct of the roll call vote, all votes cast by the delegates will be counted, and that I move Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois be selected by this convention, by acclamation, as the nominee of the Democratic Party for president of the United States!
It's truly sad that some would dwell on a primary campaign 11 years ago and whine that someone was a "basher" because of policy differences.
Bottom line, MOST of us are Democrats and eventually rally around our strongest candidate.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Madam Chairman, on behalf of the Empire State, the great state of New York, led by its great new governor, Gov. David Paterson
the home of the senior senator, Sen. Charles Schumer
the home of the Ways and Means chair of the House, Congressman Charlie Rangel
and a great congressional delegation, the home of our great state Democratic chair, June O'Neill
our great attorney general, Andrew Cuomo
Controller Tom DiNapoli
I am proud to call upon the great senator from New York to make the following presentation.
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton!
SEN. HILLARY CLINTON (D), New York: Madam Secretary, on behalf of the great state of New York, with appreciation for the spirit and dedication of all who are gathered here, with eyes firmly fixed on the future, in the spirit of unity, with the goal of victory, with faith in our party and our country, let's declare together in one voice, right here, right now, that Barack Obama is our candidate, and he will be our president!
Madam Secretary, Madam Secretary, I move that the convention suspend the procedural rules and suspend the further conduct of the roll call vote, all votes cast by the delegates will be counted, and that I move Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois be selected by this convention, by acclamation, as the nominee of the Democratic Party for president of the United States!
From your link.
May I repeat this part.
Gonna cry. She voted for our future.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,196 posts)still see her wrapping around one of those poles saying that.. it was beautiful and a beautiful time in history Thanks! lol
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
I love and respect both of them. They are not in it for themselves or their egos. They are both in it for us.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,196 posts)proven that.. they have the creds.
Mahalo for c/p Hillary's words at the Roll Call.. They will live forever!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,754 posts)High Five!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(42,316 posts)Who you supported in the 2008 primaries? That's the big controversy that poster is pushing?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
"yes".
I was "bad" in the 2008 primaries.. so that poster continues to bring it up and try to embarrass me. Problem for him is it says more about him than about me
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(42,316 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)neither was he.
No doubt a long-time lurker...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,754 posts)Joined before the 2012 election. I was an Obama gal since his 2004 keynote speech!
I lurked because it was a Democratic site and I wanted to read everything I could about Obama. Never paid attention to people/posters at that time and I most certainly did not take notes on who said what.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)....has a log of my first posts?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,754 posts)Some just have a lot of time on their hands.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,754 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,764 posts)Voters are fairly clear about what they would like from a Democrat. They prefer, by 82% to 11%, one who promises to find common ground over one who promises to fight for a progressive agenda; and they prefer a moderate over a liberal, 75% to 19%.
More at the link
https://www.yahoo.com/news/meet-swing-voters-might-decide-193019533.html
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,512 posts)Guess that makes Bernie a centrist too, then.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,196 posts)Hillary's voting record!
Thank You, Betsuni!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,512 posts)(most progressive in history) is forbidden.
And this is the 21st century, not the '30s or '60s. I still see people saying things like: Well, FDR did "radical change"! Do they not know that socialism and communism were much more popular, plus the Depression. I'm reading Ed Levine's "Serious Eater" and he says, "Like many poor Jews in New York in the 1930s, my parents became avowed Communists while attending City College. Family lore has it that they met at a Communist Party meeting on campus."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,196 posts)should look at her voting record and the Democratic Platform before posting their memes.
Thank you for that, betsuni!
And yes things were way different way back in the last century.. another clue!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,512 posts)Hillary iz centrist, did not win election because voters carefully studied policy differences between Democrats and Republicans and decided Democratic policies weren't progressive enough, better to have Trump. Biden iz centrist, therefore same thing will happen again.
Biden's support of the ACA with public option and other improvements means Democrats don't ever ever want universal health care and don't care if millions die because they are in the pocket of insurance companies and Big Pharma.
We will be seeing these daily. The only silver lining is that it appears "centrist" is replacing the irritating "establishment."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,196 posts)once.. I hope to hell LIES don't get us the psycho a 2nd time.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)depression too and pressure from outside agitation moved them. On the other hand, FDRs enlightened labor policies did not extend to agricultural workers, a good percentage of whom
were POC. And FDR had a power base.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Voltaire2
(13,027 posts)like Sanders.
Great.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Jewls2
(218 posts)Including a primary that gave Republicans an awful lot of ammunition keeping resentments alive.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,196 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TexasTowelie
(112,167 posts)The only time Trump ran against a Democrat was when he ran against a liberal.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
llashram
(6,265 posts)we win, good. No divisions, parsing or reliving old elections necessary. We must be united by National Election Day, period. Nothing else matters.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,196 posts)to Accomplished Winners.. why not insult them instead?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(42,316 posts)Someone tell San Francisco!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PhoenixDem
(581 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ritapria
(1,812 posts)Every other major country has turned to it's own version of MFA long ago ...It works .Not perfect, but better than our shitty system that bankupts a half a million people each year for the crime of getting sick ..
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)Last edited Sat Nov 16, 2019, 10:06 PM - Edit history (1)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ritapria
(1,812 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Centrist_Dem
(3 posts)like millions of Americans. Taking our insurance away in the hopes that a radical socialist plan is going to pass the House or Senate is not going to fly with voters. Every other country isn't America. There are many differences between America and these other countries. People pretend that every other country has a single payer system - it's not true. Canada's system is provincial, not country-wide. Switzerland does not have single payer, etc.
Unions fought hard for generations for their benefits. You really want to just take that away from them? And then expect their vote?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
doc03
(35,332 posts)platform in the Midwest. I don't care if we get every vote on both coasts that doesn't mean crap. A socialist
will not win the EC. I would like to say a lot more but my post would be hidden.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,764 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueWI
(1,736 posts)With all of the moderates in charge and their infallible analytics, we got our clocks cleaned in 2016.
Passivity in the face of plutocracy and climate emergency is a recipe for epic fail. Blind trust in authority is no way to operate a democracy.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
highplainsdem
(48,975 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)here i come but i ain't the same. 🎵🎵
really fits here.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Unclephil
(92 posts)Warren and Sanders misread the general electorate. They have narrow constituencies.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
VarryOn
(2,343 posts)You have to get elected first. The status quo is powerfully attractive, especially when compared with the unknown, no matter the potential upside.
I'm concerned some of our candidates are focusing too much on being disruptive--positive and needed disruption to be , but disruptive nonetheless. And Republicans will certainly stoke the anxiety every chance they can get.
I think I know where Obama and Pelosi are coming from. We should listen.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Ferrets are Cool
(21,106 posts)no matter who is on the ballot. Who is on that ballot will work itself out. And they, like me, are entitled to their opinions.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,196 posts)Speaker Nancy Pelosi and President Barack Obama are talking about their experiences in winning.. they want to win like all of us do.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Is there also such a thing as being too moderate?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,196 posts)the moderates some scorn.
You know the Moderates who helped us WIN the Blue Wave Democratic House Victory and WHY we have Impeachment hearings on the Psycho in the WH Now.
The ones who helped get us Gov elect Andy Beshear for Kentucky and America.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)And many positions that some call progressive are supported by GOP voters as well.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Farmer-Rick
(10,169 posts)Seems to me to be a very subjective scale.
Last election a conservative RepubliCON told me he would vote for Bernie but he later told me he voted for Trumpy Dumpy. To him Bernie was not radical. Nor was the orange mass.
I think Trumpy Dumpy is the most radical president we have ever had.
Like I said it is a very subjective scale that really no longer has much meaning.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
flotsam
(3,268 posts)It's pretty clear either wing of the party can take Trump down. So as a democrat why run back to a "safe" position? We got FDR because the GOP screwed the pooch and currently we desperately need pooch unscrewing to make up for at least 40 years of regressive bullshit that killed the middle class and strangled the American dream. We have the bathtub and our hands on their throats, all that's required now is the balls to finish them.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,196 posts)the best.. I want to win and I like Biden's chances in the Swing states.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
flotsam
(3,268 posts)I truly feel the election is ours as is the choice. I choose to move hard left...My dream ticket is Warren/Buttigieg with Warren to be aspirational and Buttigieg to give a more youthful balance to the ticket and if liberal policies cannot find footing he would be a bridge to the more timid party I do not desire. The thing is if even a bit of Warren caught on I believe Buttigieg would recognize this and take the country as far to the left as we dream of now. IMHO
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)republicans are betting on it as something to use. Most of the people out there don't know what it is, some connect it to anarchists.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)Have they ever sat in an emergency room all night and into the next morning to see a doctor? Wow I never knew health care was such a ''communist'' radical issue. I guess they realize how stupid this country has become, and how it can be swayed by corporate America.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
betsuni
(25,512 posts)How is this country "swayed by corporate America"?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
betsuni
(25,512 posts)I thought calling people stupid was bad.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)in terms of my opinions. My point is that Pelosi and Obama don't want the party to have anything on it's platform that could be construed as being ''socialist''. The plan is to bring people to the polls, talk of M4A might seem to some in this country as too ''radical''. I disagree with that stance.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
betsuni
(25,512 posts)The idea that Sanders' Medicare for All plan is the only health care plan and it is that or nothing is incorrect. Medicare for All is not a new idea and is not "radical" just because Bernie adopted it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Voltaire2
(13,027 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,196 posts)Link to tweet
A WINNER!
Goth https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=12696016
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,197 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,196 posts)President Obama knows how to Win! Mahalo, Goth!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jalan48
(13,864 posts)the right over the past few decades. It would give their "too radical" statements more creedence.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,197 posts)Link to tweet
Its an approach that, at first, seems at odds with where the party is going. Weve noted previously that Democrats are increasingly likely to identify themselves as liberals, a trend that probably helps explain why so many of the 2020 candidates have embraced progressive positions and why more progressive candidates have entered the race.
Polling, though, suggests that this may not be a foolproof strategy. For one thing, a crowd of more progressive candidates (an admittedly nebulous designation) will compete for the same voters, freeing Biden to vacuum up support from moderates. But polling also shows that Democrats overall arent necessarily prioritizing a candidate who espouses progressive policies. The data below are from a recent CNN-SSRS poll: More Democrats think its important for a nominee to work with Republicans than to support liberal policies.
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jalan48
(13,864 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Voltaire2
(13,027 posts)But note that if you assert that Clinton or Obama or Pelosi are centrists the argument will be made that they aren't.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,197 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Sapient Donkey
(1,568 posts)On a related note, sometimes when I am on social media and I come across a post bashing (as in real bashing, not constructively criticizing) Biden, Pelosi, Mayor Pete, and even Obama, I have to click on the profile to figure out if the attack is coming from the right or the left.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SterlingPound
(428 posts)So while i like him
he isnt the be all end all.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,196 posts)the hate radio/tv was out in full force.. and this is on those who stayed home in 2010 because ACA wasn't pure enough for them.
Link to tweet
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SterlingPound
(428 posts)Obama's lax guiding hand at the dnc allowed empty seats to be filled by the gop that should of had dems running
but instead they were vacant.
and in many ways it hasn't really improved at the dnc when it comes to building up young and comers
that i have noticed over the last 2 decades.
I feel these are valid criticisms that go way beyond Obama
and a party fault not really his but the computer software coupled with his inaction
smacked us extra hard in the 20otts
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,196 posts)what he's talking about.. he keeps trying and has been working on getting gerrymandering more fair for our country since out of office.
Obama takes on partisan gerrymandering with new initiative
https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-08-27/obama-partisan-gerrymandering-redistricting-u-initiative
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)Piss people off.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tarheel_Dem
(31,233 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Joe941
(2,848 posts)At times there is a changing of the guard and now is such a time.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,197 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,197 posts)Link to tweet
Their second choice in a straw vote is Pete Buttigieg, the mayor of South Bend, Ind.
They definitely dont want either U.S. Sen. Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts or U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont, the progressive candidates who are performing near the top of public opinion polls, along with Biden.....
But they believe the Democratic Partys overriding goal of defeating President Donald Trump can be best achieved by nominating a candidate like Biden or maybe Buttigieg who they believe can better to appeal to swing voters in a handful of states that will decide the election.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueTsunami2018
(3,492 posts)Its imperative that we win.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,197 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,197 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Joe941
(2,848 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided