I honestly don't think Joy Reid should have a job in journalism at all

[dsc]

after the fiasco with her blog posts, but she certainly should be banned from commenting upon Pete Buttigieg's candidacy. She still refuses to admit she said those horrible things. She hasn't offered anything like a genuine apology. Why should any LGBT person believe s/he could get a fair shake from Joy Reid. If Anderson Cooper posted that the NAACP recruits children for immoral activity, claimed he was hacked but offered no evidence at all, and then in his 'apology' said "I still don't believe I wrote this but I understand why people believe I did." he sure as hell wouldn't be permitted to offer comment on Harris' and Booker's campaigns.

[BuffaloJackalope]

1. Sorry, no.

[evertonfc]

2. She is

She is awful to watch. She is an insignificant figure who has zero influence. Her ratings are abysmal. Just let her keep talking to her 8 viewers. No one cares

[Iggo]

104. You couldn't sound more like him if you tried.

[snowybirdie]

3. You can disagree

with a commentator, but we do have freedom of speech in this country. No banning of speech.

[dsc]

6. I am not saying she can't write anti gay blog posts if that is what she chooses to do

I am also not saying she can't then lie about having done so and offer a lame ass apology. But no, she doesn't have a Constitutional right to be on MSNBC. Again, if Anderson Cooper did this toward blacks he would be fired by the end of business.

[treestar]

4. What brought it up

Did she say something?

[BuffaloJackalope]

8. No, she just is.

Apparently, it's perfectly fine to criticize her for what happened decades ago, and for which she's apologized profusly & repeatedly. (And she's not even running for anything.) But we're not even allowed to look at the cops murdering black people in South Bend on Mayor Pete's watch.

[cwydro]

10. She lied about it repeatedly.

She said she was having the FBI look into it...whatever happened to that?

I hate liars.

[BuffaloJackalope]

12. Warren has lied. Buttigieg has lied. Biden has lied. HRC has lied.

You & I have lied. We're human. It comes with the package.

What matters is what we do when we're caught. Acknowledge, apologize & try to make amends? Or ignore it & try to make it go away.

Which side is Joy Reid on? Which side is Mayor Pete on?

[redqueen]

14. Did she admit she was lying about being hacked?

Or is she still pretending that's what happened?

If people admit they were wrong and apologize, I think that's what others are looking for. I don't think Joy ever did that.

[BuffaloJackalope]

15. And just what is Joy running for?

And I've never heard of Mayor Pete apologize for anything.

[redqueen]

16. No argument there. I was surprised he wasn't pressed on that last night

actually.

People seem to think things will just go away - for some, that's true. Joy's not running for president, but Pete's definitely taking a risk.

[cwydro]

43. Thank you.

Spot on.

[OldRed2450]

69. She never apologized.

[sheshe2]

74. Yes she did.

I posted it in this thread and am to lazy to post the link. I have a very nasty cold and feel like shit.

[StarfishSaver]

32. If she had lied about it, why didn't the FBI charge her for making a false report?

[melman]

41. Because the FBI was never involved

Her lawyer made that up.

[StarfishSaver]

44. You know this?

Tell us more about your inside information about the FBI.

[melman]

47. I have a better idea

Show me anything besides her lawyer's claim that indicates there ever was an investigation. Anything at all.

[George II]

84. This reminds me of a George Costanza segment from Seinfeld. Unfortunately I can't post it here.

[sheshe2]

75. Yes they were. melman.

The FBI also is investigating the homophobic posts from The Reid Report. On Wednesday, Reid’s lawyer said that an FBI investigation has been launched to probe for potential criminal activity on her site,

“We have received confirmation the FBI has opened an investigation into potential criminal activities surrounding several online accounts, including personal email and blog accounts, belonging to Joy-Ann Reid,” said her lawyer John H. Reichman in a statement. “Our own investigation and monitoring of the situation will continue in parallel, and we are cooperating with law enforcement as their investigation proceeds.”

https://deadline.com/2018/04/msnbc-host-joy-reid-apologizes-for-homophobic-remarks-admits-no-evidence-of-hacking-1202378775/

Before we get in a back and forth...I have a nasty cold and will be going soon.

[melman]

76. See post #41

[sheshe2]

77. Saw that and you are wrong...

Unless you have links to prove my post wrong.

PS, melman since I was posting to your post #41...obviously I saw it.

[melman]

78. Well then why show me the lawyer's statement?

If you saw that I said he made it up then you must realize I'm aware he said that.

[sheshe2]

79. You love games.

I posted what I had. You prove the lies that you say they are.

Fact. If you had proof, you would have posted it. Ya got nuttin'

Nite hon.

[George II]

88. As they say at the racetrack, "And they're off"..........

[cwydro]

45. She never reported it to the FBI.

I’d bet my bottom dollar on that.

Besides the fact, it doesn’t change that she was (at least at one point in her life) a homophobe.

And she showed she didn’t have the honor to fess up.

[sheshe2]

73. Really?

And she showed she didn’t have the honor to fess up.

MSNBC Host Joy Reid Apologizes For Homophobic Remarks, Admits No Evidence Of Hacking

MSNBC host Joy Reid has apologized for disparaging comments against LGBT people found on her blog The Reid Report, admitting that there has been no evidence of hacking discovered.

After earlier denying authorship of the hurtful remarks, Reid came clean Saturday at the beginning of her MSNBC show AM Joy.

“I genuinely do not believe I wrote those hateful things because they are completely alien to me. But I can definitely understand, based on things I have tweeted, have written in the past, why some people don’t believe me,” she said. “For that, I am truly, truly sorry.”

https://deadline.com/2018/04/msnbc-host-joy-reid-apologizes-for-homophobic-remarks-admits-no-evidence-of-hacking-1202378775/

She made a mistake and apologized for it. It disappoints me that she did, however she came clean and not only omitted her mistake, she apologized for it.

snip

“We have received confirmation the FBI has opened an investigation into potential criminal activities surrounding several online accounts, including personal email and blog accounts, belonging to Joy-Ann Reid,” said her lawyer John H. Reichman in a statement. “Our own investigation and monitoring of the situation will continue in parallel, and we are cooperating with law enforcement as their investigation proceeds.”

[aikoaiko]

110. That's an apology for people not believing that she doesn't believe she wrote those things.

It is one of the most effed up non-apology apologies I've ever seen.

[treestar]

87. I don't think that has been established

She could have been hacked.

She's a commentator, and she will comment. It's kind of Trump-like to dismiss her point on the ground that Mayor Pete is gay, she years ago may have said something that we don't agree with, and thus attacking her instead of her point.

We're talking about Mayor Pete now and his relationship with the city's cops and how they treat black people - has nothing to do with Reid's decades-old possible gaffes.

[dsc]

18. It is baldly false to say she apologized repeatedly

She still takes the position that she didn't write the posts in questions despite vast evidence that she did. She can't apologize for that which she doesn't admit. In addition she hasn't once said a kind thing at all about his candidacy.

[BuffaloJackalope]

19. Tell me about all the black leaders endorsing The Douglass Plan.

Has Mayor Pete apologized for that gaffe? Or even acknowledged it?

[dsc]

20. He campaign addressed it

honestly not to my liking but they did. I am at work so can't do your homework for you. But again, do you seriously think that any commentator could get away with saying the NAACP recruited children for immoral activities, lie about it, refuse to apologize, and still have a job let alone be permitted to comment on either Harris' or Booker's campaign on a liberal station?

[BuffaloJackalope]

21. Again, Joy isn't running for anything. You can listen to her or not as you choose.

But I don't think someone asking to be the Democratic nominee for President should get a pass on treating a third of our voter base as if they're stupid. Mayo Pete has to step up.

[dsc]

25. she is given a huge platform on a liberal network to comment on our candidates

despite the fact that her view on LGBT and Tony Perkins of the AFA views on LGBT were barely distinguishable as recently as 12 years ago. This isn't her opposing marriage equality. She literally accused adult gays of recruiting teens. It is that message that let many, many, many gay teens suffer all alone because adult gays were afraid to help them. And she not only hasn't apologized for this, she lied about it and still refuses to admit she did it. No way, no how, someone who had views of blacks or Jews or Latinx or any other group that were indistinguishable from a known hate group and refused to even admit having posted them would be anywhere near the table to comment upon our candidates.

[BuffaloJackalope]

29. It's 2 days a week in a timeslot literally nobody watches. AND SHE'S NOT RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT!

OTOH Buttigieg wants to be the the next Democratic President - but he comes across as having literally no understand of black issues, and doesn't want to. It's so tone deaf that it's nearly insulting. No other candidate seems to have that problem.

[StarfishSaver]

33. But there's something different about her

I can't quite put my finger on it. Maybe you can figure it out.

[BuffaloJackalope]

37. I suspect you're right

[dsc]

38. I am sick of being called racist for calling out blatant homophobia

Joy Reid posted utterly homophobic posts, she lied about it repeatedly, she hasn't apologized. That is my problem with her. If a gay journalist did this about black people he or she would be fired forthwith. You know that, I know that, everyone reading this knows that. Being black doesn't excuse accusing gay men of being child molesters, and that is what she did.

[cwydro]

46. Well said.

[BuffaloJackalope]

48. If it walks, talks & looks like a duck...

The fact is everyone of the candidates & the commentators on MSNBC have decades-long careers where at one point or another they may have expressed opinions which are unacceptable today.

eg: 1973 Joe Biden would not have been supportive of marriage equality. 2019 Joe Biden has a different opinion. But you have no ire available for him.

You only seem to have a problem with Joy Reid. A black woman.

[dsc]

49. Show me where he called gay men child molesters and I will drop him like a hot potato

that is my problem with her. Be honest, if a gay commentator said in say 1990 that black people were rapists and thieves and refused to admit they said it, and MSNBC let them do negative commentary on Senator Harris you would quite rightly be on fire. So why do gays have to accept this?

[BuffaloJackalope]

51. So, apologies mean absolutely nothing to you.

Buttigieg really believes "All lives matter", and really thinks black Americans are too stupid to understand his contempt for them when he uses a picture of a Kenyan woman for his black outreach.

Thankfully the rest of us can grow up.

[dsc]

52. If she gave one then maybe

but she didn't. She said "I still don't think I wrote this but I understand why you would think I did" Now to be fair, I don't know how I would have reacted to a real apology. I personally know gay men whose lives were ruined by that very mindset. I know of others who tried to commit suicide because adults were afraid to help them. Again, if Anderson Cooper had a blog where he said black people are rapist and thieves in the 1990's he would be unemployable, no matter what apology he offered.

[BuffaloJackalope]

53. She has given several. One of which has been presented here. Which you are pointedly dismissing.

*quack* *quack* *quack*

[dsc]

56. Far from dismissing it

I quoted it directly not once, not twice, but three separate times in this thread. I watched it when she gave it in real time and have watched the video since. Not once, does she say I am sorry for writing these posts. If you can find those words in that video, fine but they are not there, they weren't there when she said it the first time, they aren't there now. When one's entire defense is I was hacked and didn't say it, then one can't claim "I don't remember writing these posts but I can understand why you would think I did" is an apology. She literally posted that gay men are child molesters. She then lied about doing so and to this day hasn't acknowledged having done so. Why on earth should I accept that as an apology? I bet my next paycheck that if Anderson Cooper had posted on a blog that black men are rapist and murderers, said he was hacked, and then his apology consisted of "I still don't think I wrote those posts but I understand why you think I did" you wouldn't accept him being able to offer commentary on MSNBC.

[BuffaloJackalope]

57. Repeating your excuses & inadequate explanations just isn't enough.

*quack* *quack* *quack* *quack*

(

[dsc]

58. Find the words I am sorry for writing those posts in her supposed apology

again, if a person did this in regards to race you would be on fire. But it is just gays so you don't give a rat's behind.

[BuffaloJackalope]

59. That's the difference. She has apologized. You have not.

You continue your unwarranted crusade against this woman, using the most unfortunate dogwhistles.

[dsc]

61. You keep saying she has apologized

I keep asking for the words I am sorry for having written the posts. They aren't there. If I am lying, which is the clear implications of your words, then find them and post a time. If not you owe me an apology for calling me a racist liar.

[BuffaloJackalope]

62. And nothing I can say will help you reform those unfortunate views.

[dsc]

65. actually there is

show me where she actually said "I am sorry for what I said" which is what an apology means. She didn't so you can't.

[Piasladic]

105. Thank you for speaking up

I really hate when people say she apologized when she hasn't.

[Hav]

108. Kudos to you for keeping your cool

in a discussion where the other side had nothing else left but to insinuate repeatedly that you were a racist. Pretty disgusting.

[JonLP24]

71. The poster is consistent on homophobia

DSC is against Tulsi Gabbard due to earlier homophobic statements and when I pointed out Democrats easily forgave Joy Reid DSC was consistent in that she thinks Joy Reid should have lost her job not for blog posts but for the hacking excuse.

I think MSNBC has gone downhill ever since they hired Andrew Lack. Keep in mind they fired Tamron Hall for Meagan Kelly.

[dsc]

42. can you name one white commentator on MSNBC that said anything remotely like she did

[Celerity]

60. you really need to stop with the 'Mayo Pete' smears, you put it in an OP, now repeat it

it is bullshit

[dsc]

64. Clearly it is OK to denigrate gay candidates

[Piasladic]

92. That's the thing

She never did explain her "hacked" posts nor truly apologize. When people start saying things like some of my best friends are gay!!! or Rachel forgives me!!! you know they aren't sincere.

[TidalWave46]

5. Is it a sign of a double standard...

Or is it the product of how she handled it?

I’m going to say it’s a bit of both.

I think the comfort food many are consuming is in their belief that she isn’t a bigot today. Might be some truth to that but it’s not a meal that gives me a lot of comfort in how she handled it.

[pazzyanne]

9. Her interviewing style has bothered me for some time.

She seems to get lost in the middle of what she is doing at times. I use to enjoy watching her, and wonder what happened to her charisma.

[redstateblues]

81. I had the same experience. Something changed

[cwydro]

11. You'll get no argument from me.

If she’d come clean about her anti-gay remarks, I wouldn’t feel as strongly.

But she didn’t.

[Baitball Blogger]

24. She did. She came out on her show and apologized profusely.

[dsc]

26. No she did not

she literally said "i don't remember making those statements but I understand why you think I did" that isn't an apology especially when she defended herself by saying I was hacked.

[Baitball Blogger]

27. There were two types of posts that were involved

One involved heinous posts that she insisted she did not write, but she said that she understood why people did not believe her because of posts she did write AND took full responsibility for. For the posts she did write, she apologized profusely.

Here's a link to her show on the subject:

[RussBLib]

66. I think she's great

Seems like she's being targeted by the "cancel culture."

You'd never hear anything like this from Fox.

[Baitball Blogger]

67. I see that.

Yet, things have improved on DU where it involves ethnic issues. There may still be people who are quick to judge, but others are stepping forward to let us know we have support. It's a giant step in the right place. Thanks for speaking up.

[IndyOp]

13. Her comments about Pete have been consistently harsh and

I very, very much want her to rethink and learn more - his candidacy matters!!

I admire Joy - she is brilliant and insightful and a valuable member of the MSNBC team.

[LongtimeAZDem]

17. I would argue that she doesn't

[Jose Garcia]

22. She isn't a journalist. She a pundit and TV show host

[Baitball Blogger]

23. I am sorry that Joy Reid made those offensive statements, but as an

ethnic minority I love the Joy Reid of today. Her show brings up perspectives that minorities can understand and I often find myself thinking, that after a week of watching MSNBC, she still comes up with a fresh perspective and she gives voice to minorities.

Another thing I like about her show is the incredible diversity of guest speakers. And God, help me, when I see all these ethnic guests in one place I find myself thinking, where have you all been hiding!

Yes, there are times when minorities use their political power in a way that might undermine other progressive ideals, such as the time when they gave their support to an issue that was anti-environmental in return for gains that were closer to home; but we are all learning and, hopefully, overtime, we will learn better to work together.

[happy feet]

36. This!

[ecstatic]

72. +1000. nt

[dsc]

89. Would you accept this argument from a LGBT person defending a person who said

something as bad about ethnic minorities as what Joy said about gays. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/4/27/17286392/joy-reid-msnbc-lgbtq-gay-hack

Link to tweet

/photo/1

Seriously would this be acceptable if directed against any ethnic minority? Would you accept but as a LGBT person etc.

[Baitball Blogger]

91. It was 2005 and we are all evolving, quite quickly.

If I had to cut everyone out of my life that made comments about minorities that offended me, I would be living on an island by myself. I live in Central Florida and my core circle of friends and extended family members are not evolving. So, yes, steadily I am separating myself from the worst of them. Here, people just assume I have to accept their racism as an accepted pov (Because it is -- around here.) At best, people think they are being racially sensitive when they don't talk about racism at all.

Frankly, most of them are more accepting of gays than they are of minorities because we have members in our family who are gay.

I am just waiting for the day when one of them opens their eyes and realizes that when they dehumanize latin americans, they are also hurting me. Wow. That would be huge. They think that they are racially sensitive because they see me as "white." One of them. But I am more than that.

And, yes, I understand your hurt and your pain. But I also know that we need people like Joy Reid, who have the ability to evolve. To see the pain they have caused and to apologize and be a better human being.

However, I don't fault you for your anger and I don't feel my intention is to stop your criticism of her. I just wanted to bring balance to this argument so it doesn't turn into a call for a boycott.

I think back to some of our greatest activists and the mistakes that made them targets to conservatives, like Jane Fonda. So young and fell into that trap, not seeing what we all see today. I hope that we are better than the conservatives when it comes to recognizing someone's ability to change.

[dsc]

97. She didn't apologize, she gaslighted us

Imagine if a person got drunk, stole and crashed your car and his apology consisted of "I don't think I stole your car but I understand why you think I did". That is what she did here.

[Boxerfan]

28. Think to yourself-what is the point of eating our own?

In times like these?

Obvious answer is.....to make divisions.

Do

NOT


feed


the


(obvious)

[demmiblue]

55. dsc is not a troll.

What a shitty thing to insinuate.

[Celerity]

70. +100000

[jrthin]

30. If lying the the marker for not having a job in

journalism, then Brian Williams shouldn't have a job either.

[StarfishSaver]

34. Yes. But that's different

[dsc]

50. actually he should be fired too

though he isn't saying a constant stream of negative stuff about one candidate like she has been doing. I don't watch his show and don't think he should be the anchor of this coverage.

[Polly Hennessey]

31. Joy Ann Reid is just fine.

She is worth every minute of my time watching her. I am tired of this constant harping on the past. We have all said something in the past we would like to take back. People also evolve in their thinking. Lord knows I have. How many times must it be said: if you don’t like something don’t watch, read, or listen to it. I don’t like Fox News and the people on it. Surprise, I don’t watch it. I don’t like gory movies - surprise, I don’t go to see them. I don’t like boring books, so I don’t read them. It seems so easy and apparent to me. If something is distasteful to you leave it alone. Trust me, you will be less stressed.

[StarfishSaver]

35. Thank you!

[dsc]

39. So I guess they should hire Klansmen to give commentary on Booker

the fact is she hasn't even admitted to having made the statements. Again, if someone in say 1990 said that black people were child molesters they would be banned from MSNBC for life. Here she said in 2007 than gay men were child molesters.

[jrthin]

63. +1

[hlthe2b]

90. Seems some are very selective in whose apologies they accept.

and that is my only comment on this.

[Piasladic]

106. Oh, so she apologized?

Has she owned up to her "hacked" posts? Has she acknowledged if her lawyer got the FBI involved?

Did not happen. Yeah, I'm not waiting any more for her to be honest about this.

[dsc]

107. One there is no apology

there is a gaslighting. Two, I have never, not once, forgiven a public figure for having called gay men child molesters. If you can find a case of me doing that I will leave DU immediately. That is what Joy Reid did for the record.

[hlthe2b]

109. Your unrelenting obsession is not healthy. I hope, for your sake you can move on.

[Corgigal]

40. Thank you.

I don’t watch her anymore. People don’t have to like any candidate, but give me a policy reason. Never hate another human on what they are born to be.

[rogue emissary]

54. I understand hating her for what she posted years ago.

I only take exception with thinking any network would have a bigot on their channel. Both have had white nationalist interviewed and as paid commentators.

Also, Pete's campaign never addressed that they lied and tried tricking African Americans by doing a opt out email for that Douglas Plan.

You acknowledge not like their response concerning the (Douglas Plan Fiasco), but you still support him.

[SaschaHM]

68. What a mess.

The only thing that banning her from commenting on Pete in the age of twitter would do is make Pete look even worse to prospective black voters.

You really want to censor or cancel a rather prominent Black pundit with a highly watched show, tons of connections, and an active twitter account? You don't have to like her. You don't have to think that she's genuine at all. I thought that she was spot on about Pete last night on MSNBC, however regardless of that, this is just a dumb potential scandal for supporters of a candidate (Buttigieg, Harris, Booker, Klobuchar) polling low among black voters to court.

Jesus, what a mess.

The last thing that the Buttigieg campaign needs is every prominent black journalist, local and national, vocally coming to Joy's defense because MSNBC prevents her from speaking about Pete or they just happen to fire her months after deciding not to.
Things like this spread like wildfire and whether or not his campaign or supporters had anything to do with it will not matter when that ball starts rolling and every prominent black site reports on it. My grandmother doesn't know who Buttigieg is, but a scandal like this that ripples through the black media community would get to her faster than a Buttigieg mailer ever will. It would be on Bossip, MadameNoire, and Lipstick Alley within minutes of occuring.

Just don't give her the ratings and hope no one prominent in Buttigieg campaign decides to pick that fight. It's not worth it.

[emmaverybo]

82. Wise comment.

[dsc]

86. again if a person who posted anti black comments

and refused to apologize I bet Harris and Booker would not be happy to have MSNBC hire them to comment on their campaigns. But I guess we gay people just have to lay back and take it.

[SaschaHM]

93. I don't support Pete so please make a petition to get Joy fired.

I hope his campaign follows your lead and pushes for it as well.

[EveHammond13]

80. watch Fox if you prefer

[LovingA2andMI]

83. WTF???

Seriously, WTF??

[titaniumsalute]

85. Whether you like her or not...

She isn't a journalist. She is a talk show host mainly and pundit.

[kiranon]

94. Enjoy watching Joy Reid and her guests are great most of the time

Have a trans daughter and accept Joy's apology. People evolve.

[dsc]

95. what apology

If someone got drunk, stole your car, claimed he was framed, and his apology was "I really don't think I stole your car but I understand if you think I did" would you be OK with that? That is my problem. She didn't apologize she gaslighted us.

[Celerity]

98. the only way you will get many to take a negative stance towards Reid is to have her attack a sacred

cow of theirs. Many who praised her to the sky when she was attacking Sanders twisted themselves into knots of utter logical disconnects and out wilful denialism defending her when her homophobic posts came to light. But THEN, when she had a go at Biden, all of sudden she was a 100% proven homophobe and an unfit pundit.

Situational ethics runs deep. I have huge issues with utter and blatant hypocrisy but it is here for the duration, unfortunately.

here are some great examples btw

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287135099#post93



Also, (ironically), a DU post (posted here 3 hours after she (Reid) put it up on her blog) from February 2007 (when she was a nobody in terms of national exposure, a small Florida blogger) instantly put paid to her 'I was hacked' bollocks:

the post

https://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=221x48020



and

here is an internet archive of it, they are an exact match

https://archive.is/pMYl8




That particular archive page ignores the robots.txt script blocking that Reid's tech team put up after she got caught (another sure sign of guilt btw). Her team tried to then get Internet Archive (aka The Wayback Machine, the biggest and best known one) to remove all her archives, and they refused, so she then had her tech team put up the blocking scripts from her end so when you try and see her deleted blog, it blocked you. Someone must have taken her to court and won, or IA allowd the override of her team's suppression attempt and now even The Internet Archive displays snapshots of her homophobic posts.


here is a snapshot taken the same day she put that post up

lol

https://web.archive.org/web/20070212221435/https://blog.reidreport.com/2007/02/americablog-overreacts-to-snickers-ad.html

[dsc]

99. and it should be noted that is the exact post I am complaining about

and which she swears she didn't post.

[Celerity]

100. If she still is claiming she did not post it, then she is flat out, 100% lying and THAT really

profoundly damages her overall credibility. I do not know if she still is denying it. Even the fact she did lie and deny it at one time damages her immensely, but if she has finally come clean now, that is a start to help repair her reputation.

[dsc]

101. She said she was hacked

and in her apology said she didn't remember posting it. Nothing since.

[Celerity]

102. well, if that is indeed the case, she is done permanently in terms of trust (until and if she does

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finally come clean.) It is a terrible look, and I really liked her and I would have instantly forgiven what she posted ages ago. People change and evolve, it happens a billion times a day on the planet. But with her ludicrous doubling down, she is done in terms of me ever trusting her for shit again.

[madville]

96. She's not a journalist

It’s an opinion show for entertainment, has nothing to do with journalism.

[LakeArenal]

103. Don't watch. I don't. You can not watch too.

[UCmeNdc]

111. I honestly don't think Sean Hannity should have a job in journalism at all

[dsc]

112. No he shouldn't

but he isn't on a liberal network being permitted to trash an openly gay candidate, she is.