Biden Taunts Protestor Calling for a Freeze on Deportations: 'You Should Vote for Trump'

[JoeOtterbein]

[link:https://www.mediaite.com/election-2020/biden-taunts-protestor-calling-for-a-freeze-on-deportations-you-should-vote-for-trump/|

By Reed Richardson Nov 21st, 2019, 9:44 pm

Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden quickly cut off a protestor calling out his immigration policy during a South Carolina campaign event, dismissing the demand for an end to all deportations with a taunt: “You should vote for Trump.”

The protestor, identified by CNN reporter Eric Bradner as Carlos Rojas, interrupted Biden’s town hall in Greenwood, SC. When the candidate approached him, Rojas calmly pointed out that, while Biden was vice president: “Over those eight years, there were three million people that were deported and separated from their families.”

As Rojas began to speak again, Biden shot back “You should vote for Trump, you should vote for Trump.”

“No, no, no, I’m not going to do that,” Rojas responded, as Biden turned his back on him and walked away.

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[EveHammond13]

1. spend you time protesting Stephen Miller

[BannonsLiver]

19. This

But unfortunately there’s always going to be people with misplaced priorities.

[HerbChestnut]

21. Oh boy.

I remember when people tried to say something like that about BLM. Didn't go over well then, shouldn't go over well now.

[Act_of_Reparation]

42. Of all the things I'd expect to read on DU...

"Those immigrants should shut the fuck up and be thankful for what they've got" is not one of them.

But then, the theme of the past few years has been reversal of expectations.

[emulatorloo]

56. Except no one on DU wrote that, certainly not the poster you responded to.

I know you are capable of making an argument without putting words in other people’s mouths and attacking them for things they didn’t say.

[Act_of_Reparation]

83. "You should spend your time protesting Stephen Miller"

What, pray tell, does this mean to you?

[emulatorloo]

93. It doesn't mean "Those immigrants should shut the fuck up and be thankful for what they've got"

You just completely made up that ‘quotation.’ That’s known as putting words in someone’s mouth they didn’t say. And then attacking them for something that was never said.

There is no one on DU who said that or believes that.

Have a nice night.

[Hortensis]

102. This. LIBERAL Democrats, including Biden, are the big protectors

of immigrants and immigrant rights. There is no honest excuse, not even ignorance, for running with the shameful spin this OP promotes.

Biden didn't handle this heckler wisely and that created an opportunity for hostiles to create a smear out of it, but that is NOT justification for anyone to try to mislead people about who he is.

[EveHammond13]

82. reported

[Act_of_Reparation]

85. Irrelevant.

My post getting hidden isn't going to make "You should spend your time protesting Stephen Miller" any less an argument from relative privation.

[EveHammond13]

88. will it stop you from flaming people tho

[LenaBaby61]

43. Spend you time protesting Stephen Miller.

A Latina friend is at odds with her own son (who was to be a 1st time voter next fall when he turns 18), because he agrees with fellow Latinos who go protesting Dems because he feels that Dems aren't listening to him and his fellow new/young voters. He also believe that the borders should be wide open, because she said he said that America is Hispanic land which was stolen. She told her son, why not go protest republicans who are much more cruel and hateful towards you than Dems will ever be. No he told her, Dems really need Latino votes and if they don't listen to us, then we won't vote for them Yeah, that'll show thuglicans who now have the courts packed with YOUNG WWJD, right-winged, racist judges for YEARS, and if they think Dems hate them, wait for these WWJD court rulings judges to start making hideous rulings against those who think like my friends son which will go way into the future thanks to MoscowMitch and his fellow thuglicans. That's right don't even vote Son. Go protesting Dems while these right-winged, racist thuglicans make laws which will be against you simply because you're a Latino, while at the same time, they appoint judges who'll make rulings which will make your life a living HELL forEVER.

[The Mouth]

62. OMG

That's really sad.

[nini]

106. This describes the dangers of the 'revolution'

They can’t see the forest for the trees.

[LenaBaby61]

107. They can't see the forest for the trees.

And this young kid is EXTREMELY bright--IS going to graduate as his class valedictorian (4.00 GPA). At 17 HE KNOWS his politics, but for some reason there's this disconnect where while he understands that thuglicans are currently un-America and really aren't open to diversity. He loathes tRumputin, and understands the HOLD putin has over tRump. But, he chooses to blame Dems for not hearing him or younger people. He thinks that Dems aren't listening which equals "They don't care about us." He and his Mom are at odds, because he told her that he won't vote, and many in his classes said that they won't vote either. He says he's in California and that tRump has no chance of winning it. He says he'll vote down ballot His Mom said she asked him about others his age living in other states if they decide to just not vote--do they get that if tRump gets in there for an 8 year term, they'll be nothing for them to SAVE. This country will be a Banana Republic. He said everybody has the right to vote or not vote Lord have all the mercies for young folks who think this way.

The kid's enrolled in advanced classes, and his history teacher has his class following the Impeachment hearings. The kid knows the deal. Knows and sees how childish, ignorant and treasonous thuglicans are. YET, he feels that Dems should be doing WAY more to help those who are looking for a better life, and defending the rights of ALL minorities. HOW are Dems going to 'do' anything, when thuglicans, lead by an un-American, treasonous, criminal con-man whose being threatened by putin to do his bidding to totally DESTROY the USA, OR ELSE.

[nini]

109. Being bright and having common sense don't go hand in hand

Sad... This is why people saying the youth will save us should not believe that's a slam dunk either.

[TidalWave46]

32. It originated from the actions of Sanders and others.

To say it originated from a right wing meme is deceptive and dishonest. It started with the actions of others, including the Sanders family.

You shouldn’t need me to provide proof of the timeline and their actions. It’s simply too well known.

[JonLP24]

37. I just deleted my posts because I didn't realize the poster had his post removed

[TidalWave46]

38. Here was my response. I wish you had let your comment stand.

My comment about the manner in which you presented the meme is exactly as I described.

That statement is fact, not opinion.

Where was the waste dumped? When was it dumped?

What was the ethnic makeup of the community it was dumped at?

What was the average household income in that area?

We’re Jane and Bernie involved?

How long after Sanders endorsed Schumlin was Jane appointed time the commission?

You can say it was started by a right wing meme. That just ignores reality.

Some things there is simply no argument for. Specially deceptively writing it off as a right wing meme. You do understand how your whole right wing meme thing can be used? An argument it does not make. Specially when it is so dishonest at face value.

[JonLP24]

41. Nobody can see the post removed post that I replied to

I have no interest in continuing this conversation because the poster's words and the meme leaves out important context such as it was the best place for it and it was a 3 state agreement between Texas, Maine, and Vermont which your post also leaves out.

I posted the fact check article

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bernie-sanders-sierra-blanca-nuclear-waste/

I wasn't being dishonest because I looked up the facts to discover Turning Point USA was using this meme back in 2016.

I will leave this post up.

[LonePirate]

3. He supports fewer deportations and Biden tells him to vote for the guy who wants more of them?

[Skittles]

5. sounds like he.............misunderstood

either way it was a crappy response

[George II]

10. No, it was a crappy and off-base attack.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

69. Yes. God forbid Hispanic voters

would want to hear from a candidate that they won't support deportations. The fucking nerve of some people, 'mIright?

Biden fucked this one up. He needs to realize that.

[Jewls2]

91. Like with the "child" reply, he missed the opportunity to simply validate the voters concerns

for their and their families very life and confirm that what is happening today is wrong. No question about it. Then explain what his position is and go from there. He missed the opportunity to connect and to show support.

[redstateblues]

4. the idea that there will be no deportations is not realistic

Was the protester advocating open borders? If not, what do you call it if there are no deportations

[treestar]

48. I agree; that is just stupid. The law does allow for deportation

of those with no authorization to be in the United States. That's not the law either. To deport no one would be as much an abuse of authority as deporting US citizens without a proper hearing.

[beastie boy]

6. Of course, the protestor was being rude to Biden, no matter the message.

And in his rudeness he didn't help his cause one bit. I am surprised with Biden's self-control. I would have admonished the brat for his disrespect and told him to mind his manners.

[customerserviceguy]

104. Me, too

It may be a sign that campaigning is getting to him. I hope its a momentary lapse, because the road to Election Day is long and rocky.

[highplainsdem]

7. Biden treated him with more respect than he deserved. It was clear Rojas and his pals

were there to grandstand and disrupt.

And if they're trying to create problems for the Democratic front-runner, then they might as well vote for Trump, because attacking Biden this way and trying to disrupt his campaign events only helps Trump.

[JoeOtterbein]

12. The weird thing to me about Joe saying, "then they may as well vote for Trump" is a...

... rookie mistake. No politician, who has risen to such high powers, should ever tell anyone to vote for their opponent.

It's nihilist at best, and makes me think that Joe may be considering drooping out of the race. Or that he thinks he cannot change the minds of the voters.

We need to Hope Bigger!

[highplainsdem]

13. Not a rookie mistake, and not nihilistic. Shock treatment to point out what the protester is doing.

[JoeOtterbein]

14. "Shock treatment"?

Sounds even worse.

[Blue_true]

16. I respect your posts, but what do you mean by "we must hope bigger"?

Should we open borders and let anyone who want to come in, come in? Biden has advocated reform to our immigration laws to get smart immigration until he was blue in the face, most democrats advocate the same policy. The people gumming things up are reoublicans, they have been for a long time. It is time that people like Rojas recognize that the only way that we will get sane immigration laws is when republican officeholders are such a tiny number that their days will be spent planning their group lunch at a micro-cafe. Rojas should vote blue at all levels and encourage his friends to do the same, not try to blow up a true democrat who has been solid on immigration reform.

[LanternWaste]

44. A rookie mistake like, " Be respectful so you won't get shot in the back of your head"?

I'm sure you'll rationalize a distinction lacking a relevant difference.

"We need Bigger Bumper Stickers!"

[LongtimeAZDem]

99. Exactly!

[George II]

71. He was essentially pointing out how ridiculous that person's demand was considering the alternative.

What he said is certainly better than this:

"Oh my god, there's a lot of poverty in this world, and you're going to have people from all over the world. And I don't think that's something that we can do at this point. Can't do it."

[wiley]

29. I agree with you

This type of shit does help Trump. No one wants open borders or no deportations. The protestors were stupid cowards. People have to stop protesting Biden and Warren or whoever because they are easy targets b ecause they can get into their rallies. They shyould go t0 a Republican's rally. They might get the crap beaten out of them or booed down, though. That would actually help their cause. Democrats can be so incredibly naive about how Republicans punk them.

[treestar]

49. They probably are voting for Dotard

To begin with.

[hurl]

8. Bad advice

Nobody should vote for Trump.

[evertonfc]

9. Throw punches

Joe and don't apologize for your time as VP. Good job. This guy is pretty fucking audacious given the current administrations all out assault on immigrants. Love the push back Joe, keep it up

[loyalsister]

98. Ironic advice

to give to the candidate who is proud of his work on the VAWA.

[evertonfc]

100. to be be fair

like it or not, a lot of people get tired of constantly backing down, non stop apologies and mealy mouth excuses. In thought this was handled perfectly.

[redstateblues]

15. More Obama bashing from Democrats. Great

[emmaverybo]

27. A comprehensive immigration reform act was developed under Obama that would allow for

millions of undocumented workers to get on a path to citizenship if they had worked here for a certain amount of years. And there was DACA. I think 11 million people would be served by this reform. Of course, Republicans wouldn’t play ball. Attacking the Obama administration is the wrong way to approach this issue. It’s the Obama administration that worked up a strong policy to benefit
workers and the country.

[wiley]

30. Agreed again

If the Trump administration is so, so very bad, WTF don't they go protest at his rallies? Attacking Biden or the Obama administration is just helping Trump.

[treestar]

53. That is what makes it so contemptuous

for these people to blame Obama rather than the Republicans! It's clearly trolling.

[Jewls2]

17. Liberal youth challenges him and he calls her a child. Latino challenges him and he tells him

to vote Trump. (There are a couple other examples I do not remember, Biden being short with voters).

Guess people are not to challenge Biden at all.

Candidates certainly can't. Voters can't either.

Seeing a pattern I am not liking.

I cannot imagine so many would be defending Sanders if he had done this. I know I don't when he does stuff like this. Booker just argued a point, and that was really bad, per his supporters. Biden doesn't get to be short with voters, he comes off arrogant. Condescending. I know most of us are going to probably go out and vote Biden in GE, but I sure do not like the lack of consistency with what I am seeing in Biden's campaign.

[loyalsister]

86. Sadly

Biden oozes white fragility and the very same sense of defensiveness and white male entitlement that has attracted them to Trump and Sanders. It is exactly the point of his candidacy.

[Jewls2]

87. Yes. I am reading thru this thread and all the people justifying this behavior.

I am really surprised. I guess Biden added on to another person to learn English. But I do see the similarities of privilege and I see the same type of supporters excusing their behavior or even validating.

I think you are right. Reason doesn't enter into the conversation.

[loyalsister]

95. He could have arranged to speak with the activists after the event

so that he could continue his remarks and learn more about their perspectives. The way he responded was rude and completely unnecessary. They have points of view informed by a level of fear for their friends and families that most white US citizens, especially men, can not begin to imagine.

[Jewls2]

97. Not to mention mocking with Trump that has been racist and cruel in his handling.

[The Liberal Lion]

18. Not sure why Joe would say this

[JoeOtterbein]

20. He's tired of it. I'm only 63 and I'm already tired!

Time to crash out!

[melman]

22. That is really bad

Really really bad

Link to tweet

[wiley]

31. This makes me want to vote for Biden!

Biden actually talked to these people. They had no right to interrupt. But Biden let them anyway. He showed a lot of class and compassion. Sadly, other candidates supporters really don't want to do anything but attack other candidates. This gotcha game is going to give us four more years of Trump.

[TidalWave46]

35. Thanks for posting that.

People should watch it.

I feel much better about the situation after seen the video.

[LanternWaste]

45. What a great video! Places the necessary context and illustrates Biden's patience

[treestar]

50. Not one more deportation is extremely unreasonable

Obama's administration deported people who were legally deportable! This guy is stupid for not realizing that the law provides for deportation of people not legally in the US, let alone that Biden only referred to felons! And to harass Biden over it rather than the Republicans/Dotard? Utterly unreasonable.

[George II]

54. I'm amazed when videos like this pop up without showing the entire context of the video....

They just start when Biden "refuses".

Reminds me of the doctored Sunrise Movement video when they accosted Dianne Feinstein outside her office. Once people saw the entire video, uncut, what she said was a lot more reasonable than what the posters (and protesters) wanted us to believe.

Even so, Biden made a lot of sense with what he said in the segment we were allowed to see.

[The Mouth]

63. There is no more 'context'

in this era of twitter and digital video editing. Sad but true.

[treestar]

89. I think he meant if you think

I’m bad on this issue, you should try trump. Those coming from the left seem to need that reminder !

[BootinUp]

105. Biden is a long time successful pol because he

Listens to people and he seems to really care or does really care, I think the latter.

[jcmaine72]

23. Let's hope this doesn't catch on the way "Ok Boomer" has.

I'd hate to see such crappy advice go viral.

[regnaD kciN]

28. Well, of course, Biden was once asked if he could speak to the plight of millennials...

...and he responded by saying "give me a break," then went on a tirade about how millennials had it easy compared to his generation, which had accomplished so much more.

It's unforced errors like this that really worry me about Biden. Look, I'll support any Democratic nominee against Trump, but I want to make sure we have a strong one. I would have happily supported the Joe Biden of 2008 or 2012. But what I've seen from Biden this time around isn’t the enthusiastic advocate of the Obama era. What I see is more of a grumpy old man whose first impulse is to insult and dismiss anyone, even one ostensibly on the same side, coming to the table with a different viewpoint than his. This has the potential for disaster as time goes on, as enthusiasm is key to turnout in a close election, and it's hard to generate much enthusiasm among those you've denigrated, especially if it’s for no good reason.

[treestar]

51. "Telling it like it is" has become a thing

It's how Donnie Dotard got support.

Politicians have been criticized for "pandering" and being nice to everybody.

This guy deserved it. Going after the Democrats rather than the Republicans on this issue and yelling "Not one more deportation" which is extreme and not the law. People illegally in the US are deportable, even if they haven't committed a crime.

[BannonsLiver]

57. Link?

[TidalWave46]

34. I've seen OK Boomer used twice.

Both times were here and weren’t actually using the phrase as intended, more as an explanation or to make a flawed point.

[crazytown]

24. Great Soundbite: 'You should vote for trump'

The GOP thanks VP Biden. We will see it again.

[emulatorloo]

61. I doubt it. GOP hates immigrants, as does their cult leader and his voting base.

[Marcuse]

101. Especially if they grow up to be US national security experts.

[emulatorloo]

103. Well said!

[Tipperary]

25. Wtf?

Not a good response.

[nitpicker]

26. +1

[TidalWave46]

33. Biden needs to not respond to these little twits.

It’s that simple.

[treestar]

52. I don't think that works

Then it's "why didn't he respond?"

[TidalWave46]

55. Let me go a step further as I really didn't state what I fully wanted to.

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Biden shouldn't be in this position. He has no need to be in this position. I find it to be a strategic flaw in his campaign. There was zero need for him to be there speaking in the first place. Considering his status, his campaign should be just about one hundred percent controlled. It was much more controlled to start. Politicians often react too much to polls and over fear. Biden needs to keep doing what he was doing. Control control control.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

74. It needs to be controlled because he clearly can't handle it when it isn't. "Vote for Trump"?

Yeah, good decision to say that, Biden.

[TidalWave46]

80. I don't think it needs to be controlled because of what you state.

It's completely unnecessary for someone of his stature to not control every aspect. .

[BeyondGeography]

39. That wasn't the only cranky thing he said

Link to tweet

[Tipperary]

40. Um, not good.

[treestar]

60. LOL!

So many snowflakes! Biden has his finger of the pulse of the nation. Don't cater to these people. There are just trying to disrupt and divide.

[melman]

64. Wait

There's more.

Link to tweet

[BeyondGeography]

65. He would have been better off doing a fundraiser yesterday

[George II]

68. Video? Transcript?

[melman]

72. Are you suggesting CNN made it up?

I have to tell you I find that kind of media bashing quite distressing.

[LanternWaste]

73. "Pretty obvious what you're trying to do here"

"Very transparent and extremely cynical..."

(goose, gander, well met!!!)

[George II]

75. Bazinga!

[melman]

78. Ha

I get it! You take my post from a completely unrelated thread and post it back at me.


Always a devastating tactic.

[George II]

79. So there's no video or transcript. Thanks!

[George II]

70. When my mother became an American citizen in 1966 she was required to speak basic English....

....and demonstrate an understanding of how the US government works. That's been the case for decades. Biden was correct (if he really said that)

https://www.lawyers.com/legal-info/immigration/citizenship/english-and-civics-requirements-for-naturalization.html

Have any of the candidates, including yours, said they would change the naturalized citizenship laws to eliminate those requirements?

Otherwise.............

[WhiskeyGrinder]

46. The contempt for Rojas in this thread is unsurprising to me.

I'm curious, though: One of the things Biden is running on is how he can reach people who don't agree with him, find common ground with people on other parts of the political spectrum. This would have been a pretty good opportunity to demonstrate that skill. Instead, I saw Biden being dismissive and ultimately punching down. Why?

[redstateblues]

59. Watch the video. The guy deserves contempt. Joe actually engaged him

And all the guy wanted to do was chant his ridiculous position and Joe tried to talk to him in a reasonable way.

[George II]

76. Unfortunately we don't see what happened just prior to this short video, but on the other hand....

...we DO see the two approach each other and speak quietly (assuming courteously) to each other.

That's "dismissive"?

[cwydro]

77. Gotta agree.

He seems more quick to anger than he used to be.

[Jewls2]

92. And this is not the first time he cuts some one off with a sharp retort instead of connecting.

Child. sarcasm.

[loyalsister]

94. Unfortunately, I think it only applies to powerful white men

who tend to support the GOP. It has been central to his politics for decades.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

96. Exactly.

[stonecutter357]

58. good let's go Joe !

[George II]

66. Biden handled that situation perfectly. Good for him!

[Hassin Bin Sober]

67. This is disqualifying

[awesomerwb1]

81. LOL

Cool story bro.

[FiveGoodMen]

84. Hell, yes!!!

[George II]

90. It wasn't a "taunt".

[comradebillyboy]

108. Maybe the protestor should have been protesting Trump instead.

The 'climate change activists' doing a sit in in Pelosi's office are similarly misguided. Hassling the people who are more on your side than against you seems stupid and counterproductive to me.