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Congratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
What Joe Biden Can't Bring Himself to Say
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/01/joe-biden-stutter-profile/602401/His eyes fall to the floor when I ask him to describe it. Weve been tiptoeing toward it for 45 minutes, and so far, every time he seems close, he backs away, or leads us in a new direction. There are competing theories in the press, but Joe Biden has kept mum on the subject. I want to hear him explain it. I ask him to walk me through the night he appeared to lose control of his words onstage.
IumI dont remember, Biden says. His voice has that familiar shake, the creak and the croak. Id have to see it. I-I-I dont remember.
Were in Bidens mostly vacant Washington, D.C., campaign office on an overcast Tuesday at the end of the summer. Since entering the Democratic presidential-primary race in April, Biden has largely avoided in-depth interviews. When I first reached out, in late June, his press person was polite but noncommittal: Was an interview really necessary for the story?
Then came the second debate, at the end of July, in Detroit. The first one, a month earlier, had been a disaster for Biden. He was unprepared when Senator Kamala Harris criticized both his past resistance to federally mandated busing and a recent speech in which hed waxed fondly about collaborating with segregationist senators. Some of his answers that night had been meandering and difficult to parse, feeding into the narrative that he wasnt just prone to verbal slipupshes called himself a gaffe machinebut that his age was a problem, that he was confused and out of touch....more
If I were to vote in a presidential
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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What Joe Biden Can't Bring Himself to Say (Original Post)
Skidmore
Nov 2019
OP
For Biden to have overcome such a handicap and accomplished all he has in his public life...
George II
Nov 2019
#1
Yes, anyone having overcome a disability of any kind is a stronger better person for it
Thekaspervote
Nov 2019
#3
George II
(67,782 posts)1. For Biden to have overcome such a handicap and accomplished all he has in his public life...
....is remarkable, and many with similar speech issues have found him an inspiration.
Every time I hear about this I think of our last Governor, Dannel Malloy. He too had major developmental issues growing up - learning disabilities, dyslexia and stuttering (not as bad as Biden's), he became a very accomplished public servant.
His biography is well worth looking up.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,767 posts)3. Yes, anyone having overcome a disability of any kind is a stronger better person for it
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,231 posts)2. Here is a great interview by Stephanie Ruhl with the author of this wonderful article
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
aikoaiko
(34,170 posts)4. Its not Joe's stutter that's a problem. Its his ideas and his acuity.
This part of the interview illustrates both and neither have anything to do with stuttering.
The interviewer asked him specifically about what happened during Debate #2 in Detroit.
After saying he doesnt remember, Biden opines: Im everybodys target; they have to take me down. And so, what I found isnot anymoreIve found that its difficult to deal with some of the criticism, based on the nature of the person directing the criticism. Its awful hard to be, to respond the same way in a national debateespecially when youre, you know, the guy who is characterized as the white-guy-of-privilege kind of thingto turn and say to someone who says, Im not saying youre a racist, but and know youre being set up. So I have to admit to you, I found my mind going, What the hell? How do I respond to that? Because I know shes being completely unfair.
I eventually realize that hes describing the moment from the first debate, when Harris criticized his record on race.
These arent debates, he continues. These are one-minute assertions. And I dont think theres anybody who hasnt been taking shots at me, which is okay. Im a big boy, dont get me wrong.
Listening back to that part of the conversation after our interview made me feel dizzy. I can only speculate as to why Bidens campaign agreed to this interview, but I assume the reasoning went something like this: If Biden disclosed to me, a person who stutters, that he himself still actively stutters, perhaps voters would cut him some slack when it comes to verbal misfires, as well as errors that seem more related to memory and cognition. But whenever I asked Biden about what appeared to be his present-day stuttering, the notably verbose candidate became clipped, or said he didnt remember, or spun off to somewhere new.
1. He doesn't understand why someone might have a problem with him voting in a way that helped segregationists continue to segregate.
2. He's wandering in his thoughts and blending memories (debates #1 and #2).
And yeah, I think the purpose of allowing this interview is use Joe's stuttering as a way to "cut him some slack" on his ideas and acuity.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)5. I regret that these paragraphs could be the only ones some will read.
What misleading takeaway from a great article that would be.
Everyone can access a few free articles from The Atlantic each month, and since this man will probably be our next president, this one's a very worthwhile investment.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dalton99a
(81,486 posts)6. "Mr. Buh-Buh-Buh-Biden, what's that word?"
A Catholic nun betrayed Biden when he was in seventh grade. I think I was No. 5 in alphabetical order, Biden says. He points over my right shoulder and stares into the middle distance as the movie rolls in his mind. Wed sit along the radiators by the window.
The office were in is awash in framed memories: Biden and his family, Biden and Barack Obama, Biden in a denim shirt posing for InStyle. The shelf behind the desk features, among other books, Jon Meachams The Soul of America. Its a phrase Biden has adopted for his campaign this time around, his third attempt at the presidency. In almost every speech, Biden warns potential voters that 2020 is not merely an election, but a battle for the soul of America. Sometimes he swaps in nation.
But now were back in middle school. The students are taking turns reading a book, one by one, up and down the rows. I could count down how many paragraphs, and Id memorize it, because I found it easier to memorize than look at the page and read the word. Id pretend to be reading, Biden says. You learned early on who the hell the bullies were, he tells me later. You could tell by the look, couldnt you?
For most stutterers, reading out loud summons peak dread. A chunk of text that may take a fluent person roughly a minute to read could take a stutterer five or 10 times as long. Four kids away, three kids away. Your shoulders tighten. Two away. The back of your neck catches fire. One away. Then it happens, and the room fills with secondhand embarrassment. Someone breathes a heavy sigh. Someone else laughs. At least one kid mimics your stutter while youre actively stuttering. You never talk about it. At night, you stare at the ceiling above your bed, reliving it.
The paragraph I had to read was: Sir Walter Raleigh was a gentleman. He laid his cloak upon the muddy road suh-suh-so the lady wouldnt soil her shoes when she entered the carriage, Biden tells me, slightly and unintentionally tripping up on the word so. And I said, Sir Walter Raleigh was a gentle man who and then the nun said, Mr. Biden, what is that word? And it was gentleman that she wanted me to say, not gentle man. And she said, Mr. Buh-Buh-Buh-Biden, whats that word?
Biden says he rose from his desk and left the classroom in protest, then walked home. The family story is that his mother, Jean, drove him back to school and confronted the nun with the made-for-TV phrase You do that again, Ill knock your bonnet off your head! I ask Biden what went through his mind as the nun mocked him.
The office were in is awash in framed memories: Biden and his family, Biden and Barack Obama, Biden in a denim shirt posing for InStyle. The shelf behind the desk features, among other books, Jon Meachams The Soul of America. Its a phrase Biden has adopted for his campaign this time around, his third attempt at the presidency. In almost every speech, Biden warns potential voters that 2020 is not merely an election, but a battle for the soul of America. Sometimes he swaps in nation.
But now were back in middle school. The students are taking turns reading a book, one by one, up and down the rows. I could count down how many paragraphs, and Id memorize it, because I found it easier to memorize than look at the page and read the word. Id pretend to be reading, Biden says. You learned early on who the hell the bullies were, he tells me later. You could tell by the look, couldnt you?
For most stutterers, reading out loud summons peak dread. A chunk of text that may take a fluent person roughly a minute to read could take a stutterer five or 10 times as long. Four kids away, three kids away. Your shoulders tighten. Two away. The back of your neck catches fire. One away. Then it happens, and the room fills with secondhand embarrassment. Someone breathes a heavy sigh. Someone else laughs. At least one kid mimics your stutter while youre actively stuttering. You never talk about it. At night, you stare at the ceiling above your bed, reliving it.
The paragraph I had to read was: Sir Walter Raleigh was a gentleman. He laid his cloak upon the muddy road suh-suh-so the lady wouldnt soil her shoes when she entered the carriage, Biden tells me, slightly and unintentionally tripping up on the word so. And I said, Sir Walter Raleigh was a gentle man who and then the nun said, Mr. Biden, what is that word? And it was gentleman that she wanted me to say, not gentle man. And she said, Mr. Buh-Buh-Buh-Biden, whats that word?
Biden says he rose from his desk and left the classroom in protest, then walked home. The family story is that his mother, Jean, drove him back to school and confronted the nun with the made-for-TV phrase You do that again, Ill knock your bonnet off your head! I ask Biden what went through his mind as the nun mocked him.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,231 posts)7. He appears to intentionally not stutter by switching to an alternative word-called "circumlocution
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden