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Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 06:09 AM

 

Let's remember that the horrible moderate centrist Hillary Clinton

helped to secure healthcare for more people than any of the current candidates for the nomination.

https://www.politifact.com/colorado/statements/2016/feb/17/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-wrong-sanders-claim/
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Reply Let's remember that the horrible moderate centrist Hillary Clinton (Original post)
Dem4Life1102 Dec 2019 OP
madaboutharry Dec 2019 #1
betsuni Dec 2019 #2
StevieM Dec 2019 #17
Hortensis Dec 2019 #3
Skidmore Dec 2019 #20
Hortensis Dec 2019 #21
localroger Dec 2019 #4
Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #16
localroger Dec 2019 #28
Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #29
localroger Dec 2019 #33
Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #34
localroger Dec 2019 #35
Hekate Dec 2019 #38
RandiFan1290 Dec 2019 #5
EveHammond13 Dec 2019 #6
ChiTownDenny Dec 2019 #8
BootinUp Dec 2019 #37
DownriverDem Dec 2019 #9
InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #10
Cha Dec 2019 #32
crazytown Dec 2019 #7
Dem4Life1102 Dec 2019 #11
crazytown Dec 2019 #19
Dem4Life1102 Dec 2019 #22
crazytown Dec 2019 #24
Dem4Life1102 Dec 2019 #25
crazytown Dec 2019 #26
Dem4Life1102 Dec 2019 #30
Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #12
Dem4Life1102 Dec 2019 #14
Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #15
treestar Dec 2019 #13
Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #18
NurseJackie Dec 2019 #23
YOHABLO Dec 2019 #27
Buzz cook Dec 2019 #31
OldRed2450 Dec 2019 #36
Gothmog Dec 2019 #39
Gothmog Dec 2019 #40

Response to Dem4Life1102 (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 06:17 AM

1. Thinking about the 2016 election

 

makes my heart break a little bit more every day.
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Response to Dem4Life1102 (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 06:18 AM

2. Her whole history was wiped out.

 

People are stupid.
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Response to betsuni (Reply #2)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 11:49 AM

17. Somehow she was turned into Joe Lieberman in some people's minds. (eom)

 

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Response to Dem4Life1102 (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 06:26 AM

3. It's all HRC's "I have a plan for that" big plans wiped out that

 

break my heart. She was planning to hit the ground running big time. With another 8 years of liberal government, building on Obama's tough start but now with control of the senate and far better position in the house at worst, we should have had the nation feeling much more secure and prosperous.

And not least, today's very dangerous populism and extremism, left and right, would be asphyxiated for lack of the fear and resentment that feed them.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 12:42 PM

20. You are spot on.

 

And remembering how those extremists used planted smears in 2016 without question still makes me sick. Preventing this from happening again is high on my list in the primaries and general election.
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Response to Skidmore (Reply #20)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 01:01 PM

21. Yes. The same people are still under the influence,

 

but new, innocent people once again need to become aware of how they're being targeted.

Simple rule of thumb: If he or she lies or hides what he's up to, he's up to no good.
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Response to Dem4Life1102 (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 08:46 AM

4. Um, Joe Biden?

 

Biden was actually VP when the ACA was passed, saying himself at the signing "this is a big fucking deal." CHIP was a good step in the right direction but ACA affected a lot more people and as an actual elected member of the administration Biden has a much clearer claim on his role in making it happen. As the linked OP itself says, while Hillary does deserve a lot of credit for making CHIP happen, it wasn't entirely accurate for her to take all the credit for herself.
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Response to localroger (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 11:43 AM

16. You would be wrong...just like with Nancy who helped pass the ACA ...Hillary worked hard to get CHIP

 

passed saving millions of kids lives...so stop downplaying one of Hillary Clinton's greatest accomplishments...how many lives did your candidate save?
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #16)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 03:00 PM

28. Not downplaying anything

 

I notice you have Biden as your candidate of choice in the primary. Do you seriously think CHIP was more important than the ACA? Or that HRC's credited but unofficial role in getting CHIP compares to Biden's official role as VP in getting the ACA passed? I'm not sure what you are getting at and it doesn't really make any sense.
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Response to localroger (Reply #28)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 03:02 PM

29. This isn't a contest...and Biden helped pass CHIP also by the way...CHIP has saved many kid's lives

 

including my nephew in Georgia as Georgia did not expand Medicaid and his Mom didn't make enough for the ACA.
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #29)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 03:55 PM

33. Well if Biden helped pass CHIP too, then...

 

...where is your argument that "none of our candidates has saved as many lives as HRC?" It seems like you are drawing that very narrowly indeed, and it's not clear why. HRC isn't even a candidate now, so what exactly are you trying to accomplish with this argument? I proudly voted for her in the GE in 2016 and would again except that she's not running. Your own candidate of choice is the very argument against what you seem to be arguing here, and again I have to wonder why.
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Response to localroger (Reply #33)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 04:21 PM

34. He voted for it...she made it possible to have a vote by pushing it hard...She did save

 

many kids lives. And no one save Obama has done that. Of course you need to give Pelosi credit too.
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #34)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 09:12 PM

35. Again, this makes no sense at all

 

You insist on cutting in HRC, who was not an elected official in any capacity despite her positive influence, and cutting out Biden who was Obama's actual VP, an elected position with actual powers. Look I like Hillary myself for a lot of reason but this simply does not make any sense. You have the very candidate who did what you say none of the current candidates did as your primary avatar. Do you know ANYTHING about these people?
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Response to localroger (Reply #35)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 10:20 PM

38. Oh. My. God.

 

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Response to Dem4Life1102 (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 08:55 AM

5. Hillary lost to trump

 

Time to move on and stop fighting the 2016 election.
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Response to RandiFan1290 (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 09:03 AM

6. she won the popular vote. she lost to Russian/Facebook propaganda.

 

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Response to RandiFan1290 (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 09:13 AM

8. Bernie lost to Hillary.

 

Stick to the subject of this OP.
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Response to ChiTownDenny (Reply #8)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 09:35 PM

37. Lol. Nt

 

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Response to RandiFan1290 (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 09:20 AM

9. Focus on

 

who will be voting in November 2020. Be honest and not just support who you "like", but doesn't have a chance to win in November 2020. I never see folks talking about how their primary candidate can beat trump. We are a Center/Left country no matter how many folks think otherwise.
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Response to RandiFan1290 (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 09:34 AM

10. Would be nice... we got bigger fish to fry.

 


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!
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Response to RandiFan1290 (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 03:23 PM

32. Hillary lost to the russians, the LIES of jill stein,

 

the fucking m$m, Cambridge analytica, Voter suppression..

No one is rewriting history 'cause you say so.
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Response to Dem4Life1102 (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 09:07 AM

7. No thanks to "far left" Ted Kennedy

 

who actually got it through the Senate
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Response to crazytown (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 09:53 AM

11. And if you had bothered to read the article

 

linked to instead of posting a snarky response, you would have seen that Kennedy said this:

Yet, in 2007, Kennedy told the Associated Press that Hillary Clinton played a critical role.

"The children's health program wouldn't be in existence today if we didn't have Hillary pushing for it from the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue," Kennedy said.
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Response to Dem4Life1102 (Reply #11)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 12:12 PM

19. I did read the article.

 

I'm fed up with snarky labels of all kinds.
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Response to crazytown (Reply #19)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 01:24 PM

22. Did you?

 

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Response to Dem4Life1102 (Reply #22)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 01:55 PM

24. I read the article, and did further searches.

 

The point I am making is I am as sick of Dem's adopting GOP labels of 'far left', 'hard left' and 'radical left' towards fellow party members, as I became of the 'CorporaDem' shite in the previous primary cycle.
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Response to crazytown (Reply #24)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 01:58 PM

25. Then why did you use the term

 

Far left in relation to Ted Kennedy? Seems odd if you hate the term.
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Response to Dem4Life1102 (Reply #25)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 02:07 PM

26. I put the term in quotes for that reason.

 

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Response to crazytown (Reply #26)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 03:14 PM

30. Odd

 

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Response to crazytown (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 10:08 AM

12. His was a safe seat...the others who helped get it through the Senate mostly lost their seats.

 

I am surprised you would downplay one of Hillary Clinton's achievements...well up is down on this site at the moment. CHIP has saved millions of kids's lives including my nephew in Georgia's life...as you may remember Medicaid was never expanded in this state and others...so CHIP is all the kids have. It was and is a great accomplishment.

Both Clinton and Obama were sneered at as 'moderate and establishment',one of our current candidates wanted to primary Obama in 12 in fact. But both accomplished something CHIP and the ACA...what have those who sneer at moderates ever accomplished other than to lose winnable elections? Nothing ...the big "0". And Warren was still a Republican at the time CHIP passed by the way by her own words.

"Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) told George Stephanopoulos Sunday that she left the Republican Party in the mid-90s because it was tilting the playing field in favor of Wall Street."
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #12)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 10:55 AM

14. ...

 

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Response to Dem4Life1102 (Reply #14)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 11:38 AM

15. Thank you....

 

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Response to Dem4Life1102 (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 10:11 AM

13. And think of the courts now full of judges

 

who are right-wing, who wouldn't have been right-wing.

The left screwed itself - now they won't see any of what they want in their lifetimes. The courts will be able to invalidate parts of anything they manage to pass, if they ever did pay attention to Congress and not just the presidency.
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Response to treestar (Reply #13)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 11:51 AM

18. I will not live ...many here won't to see the progressive agenda which I have fought for all my life

 

become policy...thanks to the left left Greens who fucked us all by not supporting Gore, bashing Kerry in the primary and not supporting Hillary and of course ... they did not have Obama's back in 10 and 14...so nothing got done for us including getting a SCOTUS pick. The things most of them complain about,United, wars etc...they helped bring about.
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Response to Dem4Life1102 (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 01:27 PM

23. "Centrist" ... ROFL

 

horrible moderate centrist Hillary Clinton


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Response to Dem4Life1102 (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 02:11 PM

27. I was very hopeful when HRC undertook the healthcare initiative. She's one tough woman.

 

No matter, the Republicans and their masters, the healthcare industrial complex, as I call it, lobbyiests, pushed down hard then as they still are now. People have a right to health care. Let's hope who ever becomes our new President doesn't take half measures in saving people's lives.

Focus on the enemy not the people who are trying to make a difference.
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Response to Dem4Life1102 (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 03:17 PM

31. Buttery males and Bengaaaaazi.

 

Its the media that cost Clinton the election and gave us Trump.



The media are still doing it. They want Trump.
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Response to Dem4Life1102 (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 09:19 PM

36. The people who smeared Hillary and helped erase her accomplishments were dishonest

 

We can't trust people who dishonestly smear and tear down others. We should not vote for them.
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Response to Dem4Life1102 (Original post)

Sun Dec 29, 2019, 03:44 PM

39. That is one reason why I like Joe Biden

 


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Response to Dem4Life1102 (Original post)

Sun Dec 29, 2019, 03:48 PM

40. I love this video of Joe talking about Hillary

 


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