Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumBernie is the solution to everything. His highlighting the
value of human life with Medicare for All addresses the 4,500 people that die each month because its too expensive to save them. How can human rights be respected by letting thousands of people suffer more and die earlier every month. Start giving people hope and reasons to live instead of showing them they are expendable.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Squinch
(50,950 posts)kind of nauseating, don't you think?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dem4decades
(11,296 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skittles
(153,164 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,275 posts)Perfect!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(48,993 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Wawannabe
(5,661 posts)Its gettin DEEEEEEEEEEEEEP!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TexasTowelie
(112,217 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Me.
(35,454 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(42,334 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,719 posts)Bernie is not the solution to everything. Nobody is. Proclaiming the infallibility of Bernie is a bit too close to personality-cultishness - something we need a whole lot less of. It's bad enough that the GOP do that shit; we sure shouldn't do it too.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skittles
(153,164 posts)that is cult-speak
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
highplainsdem
(48,993 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)much easier than MFA.
I am for covering everyone as quickly as possible. I think Public Option is the fastest way to achieve that goal. And it's likely the fastest way to Medicare-for-All, except for the fools who just have to have private insurance.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
msongs
(67,413 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Sloumeau
(2,657 posts)Do you think that perhaps you might be laying it on a bit too thick?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
relayerbob
(6,544 posts)Thanks for inspiring me to toss another 20-spot into the pot - oh wait, it wasn't Sanders', though
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JoeOtterbein
(7,702 posts)It will be sooooo fun beating Trump in a historic landslide!!!!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,719 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JoeOtterbein
(7,702 posts)I can't wait! Yippee!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JoeOtterbein
(7,702 posts)...dumb dum he is!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Thekaspervote
(32,771 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TidalWave46
(2,061 posts)Seems rather sexist to claim she will be under Sanders when she is a far more accomplished woman. When will people stop ignoring the accomplishments of women and placing them under less accomplished men?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Wawannabe
(5,661 posts)Whoa! The hallucinations are stunning!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,275 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,275 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Happyhippychick
(8,379 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
myohmy2
(3,163 posts)...Bernie's solutions are the solution to most everything, for certain...
...people mocking us can have a good mock but it won't change the facts,
"...,500 people that die each month because its too expensive to save them."
...people are willing to fight and die for the freedoms the Bill of Rights and Constitution provides in one breath, but slam, curse and piss-on MFA in the other...
...how the hell do you exercise your Constitutional Freedoms and Rights when you're fuckin' dead?
...the first and foremost Freedom is the Right to Live!
...MFA=FREEDOM...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skittles
(153,164 posts)they are disputing the assertion that one man is the only solution
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
myohmy2
(3,163 posts)...I understood the intent of the OP...
...don't you find it strange that it's usually the Biden First Responders that are the most vocal and threatened by anything Bernie?
...why?
...I think it's because Bernie resonates and Biden doesn't...
...yep...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skittles
(153,164 posts)and this kind of stuff goes on during the primaries
and Bernie does not resonate with everyone
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
samnsara
(17,622 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,771 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
liberal N proud
(60,335 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,719 posts)you have to be really careful if you're standing behind him because you could be blinded by the sun shining out of his butt.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Wawannabe
(5,661 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
liberal N proud
(60,335 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hav
(5,969 posts)The immediate connection one gets may be "Only I can fix it" but it is more problematic than just simple slogans.
The solution to everything is the kind of thing you imagine hearing before a cult does something really bad to themselves or others.
Further, it is important to realize that no person has a monopoly on good ideas, that you have to work together and cooperate to achieve anything and that there may be several paths to reach a goal. Some with better outcomes, some more achievable than others.
I know you mean well but this is the kind of rhetoric that leads to some people becoming unapproachable for any kind of reasoning who would otherwise be on our side. We saw effects of that in 2016.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,719 posts)but when you start thinking they're the solution to everything, you're getting sucked into a cult of personality in which you can't imagine any faults or errors on the part of that person - and that way lies disaster. That way lies Trumpism and all kinds of hell. The Democrats have a great slate of candidates but every last one of them has personal faults, areas of inexperience and incidents of mistakes. These are human beings and not gods. Bernie is by no means the solution to everything. Maybe even not anything, since he has to get all of his proposals through Congress. And good luck with that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
relayerbob
(6,544 posts)According to this: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/browse?text=sanders#sponsor=400357¤t_status[]=28&sort=relevance&congress=__ALL__&text=__ALL__
He's actually only ever gotten three things passed and signed off ... two of which are naming Post Offices
Hmmm
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
greatauntoftriplets
(175,742 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Wawannabe
(5,661 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NanceGreggs
(27,815 posts)... where I've heard this bullshit before.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Wawannabe
(5,661 posts)Geez!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
samnsara
(17,622 posts)...spoiler alert.....NO ONE has that much power....NOR should they be given that much power.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Wawannabe
(5,661 posts)But its not! Will he also need to be addressed as supreme leader? The solution to everything? Dog sent instead of God sent? You gotta be kidding me?! OMG!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
greatauntoftriplets
(175,742 posts)Or will it be a canonization? And when can we start seeing miracles so that know that the OP's claims are true?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Wawannabe
(5,661 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Recursion
(56,582 posts)His solution for health care? One big idea, despite the fact that replacing private insurance with a single Medicare pool is both massively unpopular and has no actual way of passing any electable Congress. Despite the fact that existing systems (Medicaid, private insurance, the VA, etc.) are widely liked by the people using them. Despite the fact that financing reform would cause a huge number of hospitals and practices to have to consolidate, and would not solve the issue of having a shortage of GPs everywhere except the richest cities.
Similarly his idea on financial reforms is simply "break up the banks", despite the fact that he can never answer what that actually means or what he would like the post-break-up financial sector to actually look like. Does he want forced equity splits like the Bell break-up? High enough capital requirements to discourage growth past a certain size? A fire sale of classes of assets (and would this mean he thinks a less diversified financial sector is somehow safer)? No word on what this "policy" is actually trying to achieve other than meeting the mandate of a politically popular bumper sticker, "break up the banks".
Bernie Sanders is a good person, but he's single-mindedly intent on winning an election, specifically the 1972 Presidential election. That's not the race we need to win this year.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,291 posts)sanders is hiding the cost of his plan because he knows that he cannot pay for it or get it adopted
Link to tweet
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie's message and feel his spirit, they come to LOVE him!!
Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,719 posts)If he's all that, why isn't he turning water into wine and raising the dead?
I've head Bernie's message repeatedly over the last four years (he's only got one) and I have not come to love him. I love his cult members even less.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,291 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
revmclaren
(2,524 posts)when one goes from a supporter to a fan to a disciple in one quantum leap.
WOW!!!
ONLY!!! 2020 and beyond.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,536 posts)Republicans are the party "showing them they are expendable."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Prosper
(761 posts)more years ago. The Republicans worked to let almost half the wealth of the country be owned: Nation's top 1 percent now have greater wealth than the bottom 90 percent
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Bernie will continue to surge because the forgotten and left behind will not be placated with right of center incrementalism.
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Millions of Americans are denied care every year. Few of them have megaphones to intimidate large companies into quick action. And so they suffer and spend their precious hours fighting with profit-seeking, opaque bureaucracies
https://www.thenation.com/article/the-health-care-industry-is-sick/
The only resemblance to cult submission is believing that millions of people that cant afford or are denied health insurance is status quo incrementalism on the way to solutions.
The very fact that a Democratic Socialist is a prominent politicians should sound the alarm that people are being abused. Foreign countries did not steal US jobs. US financiers invested US money to take advantage of inhuman foreign wages.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lots wrong with our society... Bernie is not the answer
I've known Bernie for 40 years Bernie is not the answer
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)"single payer or nothing!"
Nixon was offering something that was to the left of the ACA.
Ted Kennedy said it was one of the big regrets of his political career - if he had stayed at the table, instead of walking away, we might have something much closer to what Canada has now.
We shouldn't repeat the mistakes of the past....
It was back in 1971 and President Nixon was concerned that he would once again have to face a Kennedy in the next year's election -- in this case a Kennedy with a proposal to extend health care to all Americans. Feeling the need to offer an alternative, Nixon asked Congress to require for the first time that all companies provide a health plan for their employees, with federal subsidies for low-income workers. Nixon was particularly intrigued by a new idea called health maintenance organizations, which held the promise of providing high-quality care at lower prices by relying on salaried physicians to manage and coordinate patient care.
At first, Kennedy rejected Nixon's proposal as nothing more than a bonanza for the insurance industry that would create a two-class system of health care in America. But after Nixon won reelection, Kennedy began a series of secret negotiations with the White House that almost led to a public agreement. In the end, Nixon backed out after receiving pressure from small-business owners and the American Medical Association. And Kennedy himself decided to back off after receiving heavy pressure from labor leaders, who urged him to hold out for a single-payer system once Democrats recaptured the White House in the wake of the Watergate scandal.
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The simple lesson from this story -- and certainly the one Kennedy himself drew -- is that when it comes to historic breakthroughs in social policy, make the best deal you can get, leaving it to subsequent generations to perfect. That's what happened with Medicare and Medicaid, and there is no reason to think it wouldn't happen again with universal coverage and reform of the health insurance market.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/27/AR2009082703919.html
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Prosper
(761 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)https://www.cnn.com/2016/02/04/politics/new-hampshire-poll-bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton/index.html
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
RandySF
(58,884 posts)I'm not putting that kind of zeal into any human being.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TidalWave46
(2,061 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)He didn't invent single payer, nor was he the first to do so.
Politicians promising people something that won't happen doesn't help anyone.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Happy Hoosier
(7,308 posts)Reread that and assess how that comes off.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Wawannabe
(5,661 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)Just sayin 😄
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life
Sid
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)Your post is veeeeeryi interesting...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
zackymilly
(2,375 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden