Joe Biden told this protester to 'vote for Trump.' Bernie Sanders just hired him....

[Iamaartist]

An immigrant-rights protester whose recent confrontation with former Vice President Joe Biden made headlines was hired this week by rival Bernie Sanders’ campaign.

Carlos E. Rojas, who previously helped lead Movimiento Cosecha, a left-wing group that advocates for undocumented immigrants, will be a Latinx community organizer in Iowa for Sanders. Rojas’ hiring prompted criticism among Biden supporters and some independent political analysts, who accused the Sanders campaign of promoting someone who has personally attacked a Democratic rival.


Joe Biden told this protester to ‘vote for Trump.’ Bernie Sanders just hired him.


An immigrant-rights protester whose recent confrontation with former Vice President Joe Biden made headlines was hired this week by rival Bernie Sanders’ campaign.

Carlos E. Rojas, who previously helped lead Movimiento Cosecha, a left-wing group that advocates for undocumented immigrants, will be a Latinx community organizer in Iowa for Sanders. Rojas’ hiring prompted criticism among Biden supporters and some independent political analysts, who accused the Sanders campaign of promoting someone who has personally attacked a Democratic rival.
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But Sanders supporters celebrated the hiring of Rojas, an experienced activist who previously volunteered on the Obama campaign. Sanders has a history of hiring activists to join his ranks. His deputy press secretary is an undocumented immigrant.

Biden and Sanders are on opposite ends of the political spectrum in the Democratic presidential primary, polling first and second in most surveys. While tensions between their supporters make sense for that reason, there’s also some overlap in their constituencies, especially among minority and working-class voters. In a Morning Consult poll released this week, one-third of Biden supporters said their second choice was Sanders, the independent, self-identified socialist senator from Vermont.

The Sanders campaign confirmed Rojas’ hiring Thursday and said he was not on the payroll when he disrupted a Biden rally in November.

At that event, Rojas drove down to South Carolina from Elizabeth, N.J., with an undocumented woman to challenge Biden on the three million deportations during the Obama administration. Biden initially engaged Rojas in debate, but when the exchange grew tense, Biden cut Rojas off and told him to “go vote for Trump.”

In March, the Sanders campaign had to defend its hiring of a veteran investigative journalist, David Sirota, as senior adviser and speechwriter. Sirota had been blasting other Democrats on Twitter and in columns at the Guardian prior to his hiring.

The hires prompted critics to recall the fallout of the 2016 Democrartic primary, when Sanders lost the nomination to Hillary Clinton and some of his most fervent supporters exacerbated rifts within the party by continuing aggressive online attacks.

Sanders himself launched his 2020 campaign pledging not to attack, bully, or harass any fellow candidate


https://www.inquirer.com/news/joe-biden-bernie-sanders-protester-hired-carlos-rojas-politics-2020-democratic-primary-20200109.html



So tired of Bernie Sanders and his BS. Sanders has never been a "Democrat" all he does is blast Dems...

Sorry your not changing my mind....hiring people who blast Dems????

[George II]

1. Here he is being rude and disrespectful to Biden. Looks like Joe had to hold him off:

[Iamaartist]

2. yep seen that...to me Bernie is not a fan of Dems....never was ...Thanks George II

[Autumn]

34. Joe's holding off the guy holding a sign in one hand the other at his side who isn't touching him?

Sure George

[George II]

35. What are you talking about? Here it is again. The guy is leaning into him....

...Biden has his microphone in one hand and his other hand on the guys shoulder. What is that guy doing so close to him at a Town Hall anyway? The guy is close enough to spit on him while talking.

Sure Autumn.

[floppyboo]

41. About time! Now if one of his sniffees had done the same, would they be rude too?

Joe's immigration policy has him upset. I sure wish one of those girls or women had done the same.

[Autumn]

43. Here a pic of Biden standing next to him. The guys not even looking at Biden who has his hand on

the guys shoulder.



http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/11/biden-says-vote-for-trump-to-immigration-activist.html

[floppyboo]

45. Passionate! That is what is needed now! nt

[oasis]

54. He's yours, you got him, good luck!

[floppyboo]

68. I am sincerely wishing the best for whoever comes out on top!

good luck to your candidate of choice as well!

[Autumn]

42. Sure George. The guy never laid a hand on Biden, that's Biden's hand on his shoulder,

not the other way around.

[George II]

46. Thanks Autumn. I'm sure you know what happened before and after that still photograph....

....as you like to say, "unless there's a video and proof......."

Goodnight.

[Autumn]

47. Well there was a video I watched and another pic George. Maybe before or after the pic you posted

obviously the same event. Who knows.

[George II]

49. Since you watched it, you noticed that at the beginning of the video he was....

....at his seat way in the back of the room, and here he's in Biden's face. Who was rude, disrespectful, and out of line?

You decide.

[Autumn]

50. He's not in Biden's face but Biden is touching his shoulder. You decide, I've made up my mind.

[George II]

51. Again.........

[Autumn]

53. As you can see, in neither picture is he touching Biden.

so much for Joe having to "hold him off"

[George II]

55. Who cares? It was BIDEN'S Town Hall, he was seated in the back. He had no business approaching....

...Biden at the front of the room. He was rude and disrespectful. If Biden was still VP the Secret Service would have swarmed all over him.

And based in part on his performance (or audition) at that Town Hall he's now a Bernie Sanders staffer!

It's a bad look for the campaign, and a worse look for those who defend such actions.

Bwahahahahahahaha!!

[Autumn]

57. Hey, you were the one who said Biden was having to hold him off. I just offered another view.

Whats bad is telling a Democratic activist who volunteered for Obama to vote for Trump. Rojas response was perfect. "No. I'm not going to do that."

I like his addition to Bernie's campaign.

[George II]

58. And he did have to hold him off. Biden was where he was before the "encounter", Rojas....

....was 20-30 feet away. HE was the one who approached Biden. It's surprising that you're defending someone who went out of his way to disrupt the Town Hall, but whatever.

And now Rojas is on Sanders' payroll. Guess he passed the audition.

[floppyboo]

70. What is a Town Hall supposed to be? A lecture, or a conversation?

Conversations are often controversial. If he wanted to give a lecture, with no risk of pesky interlocutors, there are video conferences - but then you only get views from the respectful ones who already agree with you.
There's a good reason Biden has limited his interaction with the public. I really worry about his future as a public figure. I know he was at one time greatly respected on both sides...

[George II]

91. Biden has more interaction with his audiences than your candidate does. Biden has never....

....screamed "shut up" to any of his constituents and then called the police. No Biden supporters have ever been unruly at any other candidates' events.

What's that insinuation about really worrying about his future as a public figure? Remember, Biden has never had to ask for a chair at any of his events or ever cut short an event. Can you say that about your candidate?

BTW, Biden still is greatly respected on both sides. Sanders?

[Autumn]

88. That's a quick punt. Any campaign that attracts activists is okay in my book.

I prefer activists to lobbyists. YMOV Bwahahahahahahaha!!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

64. This is why Bernie's surging... he's got the people's back, not on their back!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[redstateblues]

76. LOL! Bernie is not surging. He is where he was a year ago

He is less than half of where he was against HRC. He lost by millions

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

62. Imagine if Bernie went around invading people's space like Joe does? He'd be bashed endlessly for it

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[comradebillyboy]

3. Bernie only hires the best people.

[pfeiffer]

4. Bawahahahahaha!!

Good one.

[Iamaartist]

5. LOL 😄

Cant imagine what his cabinet members would be filled with, won't happen...

[The Valley Below]

6. I can imagine.

[Autumn]

8. Rojas volunteered on the Obama campaign. Can't be that bad.

[Demsrule86]

10. Link?

[Autumn]

17. Here.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=414721

[revmclaren]

20. You just linked back to this post.

That's strange...

ONLY!!! 2020 and beyond.

[Autumn]

22. No, I linked directly to the OP. There is no #post17 at the end of the link.

[revmclaren]

27. Exactly...

No real link then.

You played the same game with me having to do with the Pitt post last year. You thought you were sending me on a wild goose chase but I found sooo much more in the archives at DU and archive.org. I have you completely to thank for my finding some, we'll just say, 'interesting' past posts.

You have quite a few posts there yourself that you may think we're deleted or went away, but the internet really is forever.

So I'll wait for an actual link showing Carlos E. Rojas working for Obama, but I think I won't ever see it.

Have a wonderful day Autumn.



ONLY!!! 2020 and beyond.

[Autumn]

29. My link went directly to the OP by Iamaartist.

You know, the one you recced but obviously didn't bother to read revmclaren . I said he volunteered on Obama's campaign. It's in the OP. Try to read the OP if you can instead of giving me shit and making stuff up. I never said he worked for Obama either. Words have meanings. I posted

Rojas volunteered on the Obama campaign. Can't be that bad.

You wanted the link to that information and I gave you a link to that information. Get over yourself.

If you can't be bothered to read the OP I don't give a fuck how long you wait for an actual link showing Carlos E. Rojas volunteered on Obama'd campaign. It's in the OP that you can't be bothered to read because it's easier to go off the rails.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287414721

Iamaartist (2,477 posts)


Joe Biden told this protester to 'vote for Trump.' Bernie Sanders just hired him....

An immigrant-rights protester whose recent confrontation with former Vice President Joe Biden made headlines was hired this week by rival Bernie Sanders’ campaign.

Carlos E. Rojas, who previously helped lead Movimiento Cosecha, a left-wing group that advocates for undocumented immigrants, will be a Latinx community organizer in Iowa for Sanders. Rojas’ hiring prompted criticism among Biden supporters and some independent political analysts, who accused the Sanders campaign of promoting someone who has personally attacked a Democratic rival.


Joe Biden told this protester to ‘vote for Trump.’ Bernie Sanders just hired him.


An immigrant-rights protester whose recent confrontation with former Vice President Joe Biden made headlines was hired this week by rival Bernie Sanders’ campaign.

Carlos E. Rojas, who previously helped lead Movimiento Cosecha, a left-wing group that advocates for undocumented immigrants, will be a Latinx community organizer in Iowa for Sanders. Rojas’ hiring prompted criticism among Biden supporters and some independent political analysts, who accused the Sanders campaign of promoting someone who has personally attacked a Democratic rival.
Related stories

That protester Joe Biden told to vote for Trump says he’s not done interrupting
The ‘chaos ensuing’ in Iran is Trump’s fault, Biden tells donors in Gladwyne
Two Pa. reps in battleground districts endorse Joe Biden

But Sanders supporters celebrated the hiring of Rojas, an experienced activist who previously volunteered on the Obama campaign. Sanders has a history of hiring activists to join his ranks. His deputy press secretary is an undocumented immigrant.

Biden and Sanders are on opposite ends of the political spectrum in the Democratic presidential primary, polling first and second in most surveys. While tensions between their supporters make sense for that reason, there’s also some overlap in their constituencies, especially among minority and working-class voters. In a Morning Consult poll released this week, one-third of Biden supporters said their second choice was Sanders, the independent, self-identified socialist senator from Vermont.

The Sanders campaign confirmed Rojas’ hiring Thursday and said he was not on the payroll when he disrupted a Biden rally in November.

At that event, Rojas drove down to South Carolina from Elizabeth, N.J., with an undocumented woman to challenge Biden on the three million deportations during the Obama administration. Biden initially engaged Rojas in debate, but when the exchange grew tense, Biden cut Rojas off and told him to “go vote for Trump.”

In March, the Sanders campaign had to defend its hiring of a veteran investigative journalist, David Sirota, as senior adviser and speechwriter. Sirota had been blasting other Democrats on Twitter and in columns at the Guardian prior to his hiring.

The hires prompted critics to recall the fallout of the 2016 Democrartic primary, when Sanders lost the nomination to Hillary Clinton and some of his most fervent supporters exacerbated rifts within the party by continuing aggressive online attacks.

Sanders himself launched his 2020 campaign pledging not to attack, bully, or harass any fellow candidate

https://www.inquirer.com/news/joe-biden-bernie-sanders-protester-hired-carlos-rojas-politics-2020-democratic-primary-20200109.html

So tired of Bernie Sanders and his BS. Sanders has never been a "Democrat" all he does is blast Dems...

Sorry your not changing my mind....hiring people who blast Dems????

[revmclaren]

44. Ahhh...all fun and games.

Oh well.

By the way, before I forget...didn't you post as autumncolors over at that other site? Asking for a friend.



ONLY!!! 2020 and beyond.

[Voltaire2]

11. That's ancient history.

He caused Joe to be rude. That’s what’s important.

[loyalsister]

52. No one caused Joe to be rude

Joe loves doing his tough guy routine as part of his campaign. He has a sickening streak of toxic masculinity and it's truly nauseating and inconsistent if you listen to the content of some of what he has said about violence against women.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

60. THIS!! IMAGINE IF BERNIE SAID SOME OF THAT STUFF?!?! WE'D NEVER HEAR THE END OF IT!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[Voltaire2]

69. It was a parody of some of the 'discourse'.

[vsrazdem]

13. He is a member of Movimiento Cosecha, and was there in that capacity, not as a member

of the Sanders campaign.

"Last Thursday, in a packed college gym in Greenwood, South Carolina, I stood next to Silvia, a local immigrant mother and activist, as she asked Joe Biden a question. I translated for her as she told the crowd about her daily fear of ICE separating her family. It’s hard for her to trust Biden, she explained, because he has defended the millions of deportations that took place when he was vice president. Under a Biden administration, could her partner or children be next?

Silvia asked if Biden would use executive action to protect undocumented immigrants from deportation on his first day in office. Biden bluntly said no and went on to defend Obama’s record on immigration. As a longtime activist, a 2008 volunteer for the Obama campaign, and a formerly undocumented immigrant myself, I pushed back and reminded him that millions of families were separated while he was vice president.

That’s when Biden interrupted me and said: “You should vote for Trump."


Press Reliese from Movimiento Cosecha:

IMMIGRANT FAMILIES SEPARATED DURING THE OBAMA YEARS TO OCCUPY BIDEN’S CAMPAIGN OFFICES
Families are calling for Biden to apologize for the 3 million family separations he oversaw while in the White House, and commit to using his executive authority to end all detention and deportation on day one, if elected President. They will be joined by allies who will be sitting in at Biden’s campaign offices, refusing to leave until the campaign speaks with the families.

Philadelphia- Immigrant families whose loved ones were among the 3,000,000 deported while Former Vice President Biden was in the White House plan sit in at Biden campaign headquarters in Philadelphia on Wednesday. They are demanding Biden to apologize for separating their families, and commit that, if elected president in 2020, he would use his executive authority to put an immediate end to all immigrant detention and deportations. Families are also calling for Biden to commit to bringing home loved ones that were unjustly deported by the last two administrations.

[Me.]

14. It Would Be More Helpful

if he put his efforts into getting Latinos to vote. In '16 40% of those who voted, voted for the evil in the WH.

[Autumn]

19. It's pretty good that 60% of Latinos voted Dem. I hadn't seen that statistic.

[Me.]

67. So You're OK With 40% Voting For The Menace?

[Autumn]

81. No, as Latina I'm okay with 60% of Latinos voting for Dems. Considering the Catholic Church

has a grip on a lot of them that's pretty damn good.

[betsuni]

83. "Sorry, but I can't take your word for it without proof."

Your words. Do you have video proving what you say is true?

[Autumn]

84. No, I only ask for proof if someone posts what could be a smear. As a Latina I know others

and I know why some vote Republican. As for proof you should be well aware that many religious people vote their values such as anti abortion, no amnesty for illegal aliens. If you can't you haven't been paying attention. The information is out there.

But perhaps you have no interest in how Latinos vote and are more interested in letting me know how I offended you.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

59. OOOPS!!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[vsrazdem]

9. But wait, he was JUST hired. I thought someone said he was paid by Sanders to disrupt at the

Biden campaign meegtings. I must have got my wires crossed, or somone got their dates mixed up.

[jalan48]

12. Hysteria is setting in now that it appears Bernie has a chance to win it all.

[Cha]

36. Yeah, the GD "Hysteria" is from sirota..

PolitiFact nails Sanders campaign's claim that Biden backed Paul Ryan on SS cuts as FALSE

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287414897#top

[Demsrule86]

15. Do you know Rojas positions? Hiring him is a big loser probably in the primary but certainly in a

general.

[vsrazdem]

16. He volunteered for Obaman, so how could they let him do that?

[revmclaren]

21. Link please.

The last DUer posted a link right back to this op.

ONLY!!! 2020 and beyond.

[Autumn]

24. Did you read the OP? I never comment on something I haven't read.

[Autumn]

23. Seriously? Someone thinks he was paid by by Sanders to disrupt Biden campaign meetings?

That some serious derangement.

[George II]

38. No one said that.........

"derangement"?

[Autumn]

40. Well I doubt the poster made that up, knowing how it goes whenever the name Bernie comes up.

Anyone thinking Bernie would pay someone to disrupt anyone's campaign is seriously deranged.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

65. You and I both know what's going on with that!! But, don't worry...

It's just another sign that desperation is setting in, as Bernie continues to surge.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[vsrazdem]

73. You said it in our original post, or did you forget.

[George II]

37. I don't believe anyone said he was hired to disrupt the Biden Town Halls. But he also said....

....that he's not finished disrupting Biden events.

[vsrazdem]

71. This was the headline of the original OP.

"Remember the guy who confronted Biden at a Town Hall in Greenwood SC in November? [View all]
The one who got out of his seat, walked up to Biden and got in his face? Well, it turns out that he's on the Sanders Campaign payroll! He's being PAID to disrupt Biden's town halls.

It was definitely an inference that he was hired by Sanders campaign to disrupt Biden town halls.

[vsrazdem]

72. And I don't know how you could say that because your the one who posted it.

[vsrazdem]

74. This was YOUR original OP.

Remember the guy who confronted Biden at a Town Hall in Greenwood SC in November?

The one who got out of his seat, walked up to Biden and got in his face? Well, it turns out that he's on the Sanders Campaign payroll! He's being PAID to disrupt Biden's town halls.

HE'S ON THE SANDERS CAMPAIGN PAYROLL. HE IS BEING PAID TO DISRUPT BIDENS' TOWN HALLS.

How did you expect people to take that.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

63. Your "wires"are just fine... it's pretty obvious what's what.

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[tonedevil]

18. It doesn't matter how much they are being harassed...

no Democratic candidate should ever say you should vote for Trump to anyone anywhere. Someone comes off as thin skinned and petty it is not Mr. Rojas.

[SMC22307]

26. Exactly. Does Biden think he's being clever?

I mean, we desperately need PA, WI, and MI -- states Fat Nixon barely won -- and NO ONE should be telling voters to vote for him.

[SMC22307]

25. Biden needs to stop telling people who challenge him to vote for Trump.

It's really obnoxious. Things he says have a tendency to come back to bite, like Republicans twisting the "Biden Rule" and ultimately hosing Merrick Garland and the entire country.

[Iamaartist]

28. Sorry No,,the protester should have had more respect for the candidate..he was our VP of USA

He was disrupting the campaign rally....

[Autumn]

31. Yes, we all know that until Biden came along all protesters were polite and never...

protested.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

39. .

[LanternWaste]

78. Yup. "Be respectful so you won't get shot in the back of your head..."

[SMC22307]

92. And Biden needs to better learn how to handle disruptions. (n/t)

[NYMinute]

30. Everyone who hates Democrats has a fast track to Sanders campaign employment nt

[Iamaartist]

33. Sander surely has no love for Dems

Maybe he should try to change GOP cons....

[floppyboo]

32. Blasting Anyone's policy is what primaries are for.

Glad Bernie hired him. Bernie has a great immigration policy. It's important to get to the 'us' of all this. Why not gather in all the souls you can rather than push them away?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

61. Yes, another great hire by Bernie!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[Gothmog]

48. Of course this person works or worked for sanders

[betsuni]

56. It's bad optics.

[Cha]

75. Thank you for your OP, Iamaartist!

[Iamaartist]

89. Your welcome Cha...

That protester should never been that close to Joe to begin with. Fear for his safety

[samnsara]

77. this hasnt stopped since 2016...

[Iamaartist]

86. My Fav Cartoon,,,His not a Dem.. 2016 again....omg

[ehrnst]

79. He'll fit right in. (nt)

[Odoreida]

80. I respectfully suggest that Biden should stop telling people to vote for Trump.

Just on GP. Even if provoked.

[Iamaartist]

87. Disagree He should had never been that close to Joe to begin with.not nowadays ....

protestor should have been outside....I fear for
Joe's safety,,,,,

[calimary]

82. Your last two paragraphs in particular, Iamaartist. Amen, amen, Amen.

SO damn tired of Bernie. Divisiveness on two legs.

[Iamaartist]

85. So am I..so tire of Bernie

[lark]

90. Bernie doesn't care one bit about Democrats - just about himself.

He would just as soon destroy the party out of spite if he's not selected and it looks like he's actively trying to do that with the hiring of Sirota and a rw protestor. Damn, I wish he would stop because I'm finding it harder to think about working for his election and really hoping and praying he's not our candidate. I would vote for him if he is, but only as the better of the hellbeast.

[booley]

93. weird how you see this as a negative and I see it as positive

I read this and thought "What a good way for Bernie to distinguish himself from Biden on immigration." The Latino vote is petty important right now. And Biden's gaffe on this was pretty horrific.

You, if I am reading this correctly, see it somehow insulting that sanders would hire an immigration activist who dared to question Biden.

Putting aside whether Biden's history and current position on immigration doesn't' deserve criticism, think about how that sounds to someone, not in the Biden camp?

No one, not even Biden is entitled to anyone vote. No one, neither Sanders nor Biden, not anyone is entitled to never be questioned.