Some are implying a hypocrtical position from Biden supporters complaining about Sanders' "elitist"

[still_one]

comments toward Elizabeth Warren

During the primary season there is usually a cause and effect.

Biden's comments toward Elizabeth Warren did not happen in a vacuum. It happened after Warren's swipe that Biden is “running in the wrong presidential primary” and “repeating Republican talking points” with his criticism of her “Medicare for All” plan.

According to the article below, while he did not name her directly, he implied he was referring to her, and didn't directly call her "elitist", but said she employed a “condescending” approach to politics that smacks of “elitism.”

https://apnews.com/b491ca4f60f04b55903cf7f3c1df6371

This post is not meant to praise or trash Elizabeth Warren or Joe Biden, but simply to provide context to what occurred.

[justhanginon]

1. "Some people are saying?" Yeah. sounds familiar.

[still_one]

2. What is the problem with what I said. Some people here are saying that. Do you want me to call

people out by name, because I am not going to do that. Curious if you read my OP, or just the title

[blm]

13. I would be one. And Warren did NOT start attacking Biden

and, in fact, he attacked her a few times before she finally returned fire.

I know you think you were putting the events in context because you are an honorable poster, however the attacks on Warren were building well before she responded.

[still_one]

16. I don't know who started the attacking first, and appreciate the

chronological sequence of things you presented below

Not just in this situation, but the full picture seems to be missing from many of these type of discussions, and that makes it difficult to fully understand things

Thanks for providing the full picture

[blm]

18. I know what you mean. The incorrect info is maddening

and jumping in to correct it is really not what I prefer to be doing, but, I will, mainly because it is not fair to Warren.

I have no interest in starting threads to attack the candidates, many of who I have long respected for the most part, but, I definitely won’t let attacks on my preferred candidate go without a response.

Fair is fair.

[karynnj]

7. No - more criticize the ACTION, not the person

Here he is describing speaking in a condescending way in reference to an issue as elitist -- rather than the person as elitist. It makes a big difference.

[SCVDem]

3. Some people,

Are usually on FAUX!

[still_one]

14. Well that wasn't my intent, and the threads are easy enough to find

here where those comments occurred, and My intent was to provide a little context

[Cha]

22. Well, I certainly didn't ZERO in on..

"Some are implying .." I focused on the Context.

Jeeze! and, it's true people were posting that..

Key paragraph..

Biden's comments toward Elizabeth Warren did not happen in a vacuum. It happened after Warren's swipe that Biden is “running in the wrong presidential primary” and “repeating Republican talking points” with his criticism of her “Medicare for All” plan.

Thank you for OP it!

[BlueMTexpat]

26. There are other chronologies as well.

[RandySF]

4. There's no hypocrisy in stating the fact of the Sanders campaign's action.

[getagrip_already]

5. or that warren is the furthest thing from an elitist we have.....

An elitist wouldn't have started the consumers protection agency. A populist did.

Projectrion from the sanders camp maybe?

[blm]

6. She was responding to his campaign's attack on her

He attacked her before she released her plan and after she released her plan, and he did use the GOP standard line of attack they cart out for every proposal that benefits most Americans.

Nov1:
Joe Biden’s presidential campaign is slamming Democratic rival Elizabeth Warren’s plan to pay for “Medicare for All” — accusing the Massachusetts senator of misleading voters on its costs.

Warren released her proposal to fund the government-run health care system Friday morning, saying she would do so “without raising taxes one penny on middle class families” — attempting to answer a the question of how she’d pay for Medicare for All that’s dogged her for months on the campaign trail and in debates.

Biden Deputy Campaign Manager Kate Bedingfield was quick to hit back at Warren’s plan, saying, “For months, Elizabeth Warren has refused to say if her health care plan would raise taxes on the middle class, and now we know why: because it does. Senator Warren would place a new tax of nearly $9 trillion that will fall on American workers.”


Bedingfield also called Warren’s plan “unrealistic” saying it hedges on “a complete revamping of defense, immigration, and overall tax policy” that leaves her with two choices, to “further increase taxes on the middle class or break her commitment to these promised benefits.”.....

[blm]

8. Grover Norquist's ATR applauded Biden's 1st attack last September.

Posted by Adam Sabes on Monday, September 23rd, 2019, 11:23 AM PERMALINK

Biden Attacks Warren: "She's Going to Raise People's Taxes”

Joe Biden slammed Elizabeth Warren for dodging the middle class tax question and said that her ‘Medicare for All’ plan would raise taxes.

"It’s going to cost a lot of money and she's going to raise people's taxes doing it," Biden said during a town hall in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, on Friday.

Responding to Biden, Warren dodged the question again and told a CNN reporter that "Giant corporations are going to see their costs go up. But costs, for middle class families, for working-class families, for the people that are squeezed so badly, are going to go down."
.......

[blm]

10. And also his earlier attack on Warren's credibility.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/16/us/politics/joe-biden-elizabeth-warren.html

[blm]

11. There IS a calendar to consider if you want to make it about

Who attacked who and when.

Biden camp DID use GOP talking point to scare people away from Med4All. Grover Norquist applauded him for it.

Warren’s response to Biden’s attack didn’t happen in a vacuum. But, that fact never gets acknowledged.

Provide context.....yes....please do.

[blm]

12. His October attack that she's "trying to con the American people"

Biden rips Warren's credibility after contentious Democratic debate
Trevor Hunnicutt
4 MIN READ
COLUMBUS, Ohio (Reuters) - Democratic presidential contender Joe Biden questioned surging rival Elizabeth Warren’s credibility on Wednesday, accusing her of failing to be open with voters about how she would pay for her ambitious Medicare for All healthcare proposal.
.....
Biden said it was “absolutely ridiculous” that Warren would not delve into the details of her healthcare proposal, drawing a comparison to Trump.

“The last thing the Democrats should be doing is playing Trump’s game and trying to con the American people to think this is easy. There’s nothing easy about it,” he said.
......

[still_one]

15. I was trying to present some context. I appreciate the additional context you

supplied in regard who started this first

What seems to be lacking from many of these type of discussions is that context seems to be missing from many of these conversations

[blm]

19. ✔️

I am ALL about context, still. 😁

[still_one]

20. I know

[The Valley Below]

28. Asking how one will pay for a program is hardly an "attack." LOL

[blm]

34. You ignored his implication she's trying to con America like Trump

[betsuni]

9. Sanders always calls Democrats the party of wealthy elites. Biden never does.

The end.

[msongs]

17. multi millionaire 1%er oligarchs should not be calling each other elitists lol nt

[Cha]

21. Mahalo for this, still_one.. Sorry, I saw this and

then had to leave.. but I'm kicking it NOW~

Context is everything!

[still_one]

23. As someone has pointed out in this thread there was a back and forth going on between Biden and

Warren, and it happened after Biden's criticism of Warren's M4A proposal

In other words, Joe "fired the first shot" so to speak

I guess my point is that nothing is straight forward, and there is cause and effect, and whether people are defending or accusing, it is good to have details outlined



Thanks

[Cha]

25. Of course, Biden is going to critique mfa..

he doesn't think it's viable.. he's for building on Obamacare.

"Fired the first shot.."?!.. because he's standing up for what he believes is a better way to get Health Care? I don't think so.

Besides didn't EW walk that mfa plan back?

[still_one]

27. Yes, that is correct. That is what the discussion was about, and there were some

pretty caustic remarks from that exchange which was mentioned in the OP

[Cha]

31. On Holier than thou purity tests.. EW didn't imply Pete was "elite" did she?

WINE CAVES/Pete/Purity Tests!

Warren slammed Buttigieg for fundraiser in wine cave with a crystal chandelier. In 2018, she

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287387887

[The Valley Below]

29. Criticisms over policy positions are not "attacks." These are fair game. Attacking others characters

is a different story.

[Cha]

32. Exactly.. we're on the same page here.

[UniteFightBack]

24. Biden/Warren are not sending out people to trash others. I mean if they are please let me

know. They are also not employing the worst debased surrogates and campaign advisers/staffersl.

Biden/Warren are not the problem...when they come at you they come direct. With Mr. Sanders he has others do his dirty work and then he can claim ignorance. He's not fooling me.

[Cha]

33. Thank you for your post!

[YOHABLO]

30. People who live in glass houses should not throw stones. What about Biden's condescension?

All politicians are condescending. It's their nature and is indeed expected. They're interviewing for the most important job in the country. They had better have some ideas.