(CNN) Sanders told Warren, in private 2018 meeting, that a woman can't win (per 4 sources).

[Skya Rhen]

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[OnDoutside]

1. Warren campaign giving some back ?

[redstatebluegirl]

6. Good for them if they are.

Bernie has been allowed to go on unquestioned. It is time for the voters to have a good look at him, vet him properly. Hillary went through hell during the vetting process done by the media and Bernie's faithful in 2016. We can't let it happen again. All of the candidates must face the same level of scrutiny.

[OnDoutside]

36. Absolutely, and I think we all remember the shitspreader tactics

Of the likes of Devine, Weaver and Turner, in 2016, which unfortunately went largely unchallenged or not challenged loud enough.

[Autumn]

2. I don't believe it for one second. Bernie says it's ludicrous to believe that and Warren hasn't

commented and her communications director Kristen Orthman declined to comment. Guess Bernie isn't the only one with staffer problems.

[pfeiffer]

8. The tough thing about this...

is that four (4) sources confirmed the reporting.

That makes this tough for Bernie.

[TidalWave46]

23. " Bernie says it's ludicrous to believe that "

Sanders also stood on stage with the head of a PAC right after said PAC endorsed him.... and his supporters still think Sanders doesn't welcome PAC support.

Well.... If Sanders says it's ludicrous, then I'm sold!

[Autumn]

64. That was a denial by Bernie by unnamed sources. Nice broad brush there of Sanders supporters.

[TidalWave46]

68. If it is as you state...

1) Do you recognize Sanders openly welcoming PAC support?

2) Do you believe everything he says?

Not sure why you answered like you did. Seems you are about to fall under said broad brush. “Darnit!! You used a broad brush and it slathered me in uncomfortable pigments!!!”



I’m familiar with what I was responding to. That is why my response flows directly from it.

[Autumn]

69. I'm fine with Bernie accepting PAC support. He's not the first to do so and he's not the

first to change his mind and accept it. I'll tell you why answered I did. It's a fact that when people can't discuss the issue on Bernie they go to Sanders supporters. I don't have a problem with him accepting a PAC. Whatever gets him elected.

As you know Trump is sweeping away our democracy like a fucking tidal wave.

[TidalWave46]

70. You are the first Sanders supporter here...

Who has been willing to state that Sanders doesn’t operate his finances as he says and is openly welcoming to PAC money.

You get huge credit for that.



69. “I'm fine with Bernie accepting PAC support. He's not the first to do so and he's not the
first to change his mind and accept it.“ Autumn

[Autumn]

72. That's a load of bull. I'm not the only Sanders supporters who is fine with it.

Look to your candidate. After the many times he has flipped on his Iraq record, sometimes within days, he still can't get that straight. But we have a historical record of his actions on that.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287418506

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287408643

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287419637

[TidalWave46]

74. Your links don't dispute that which you claim to be disputing.

69. “I'm fine with Bernie accepting PAC support. He's not the first to do so and he's not the
first to change his mind and accept it. I'll tell you why answered I did. It's a fact that when people can't discuss the issue on Bernie they go to Sanders supporters. I don't have a problem with him accepting a PAC. Whatever gets him elected.” Autumn

Your last sentence really drives it home!

[Autumn]

81. Keep on ignoring your candidate to discuss Bernie supporters, that's fine with me too.

Does it bother you that I don't have any problem with his PAC help? The thing to do is get rid of #45 and put one of ours in the White House. We have Warren, Bernie and Joe. I'm thinking it won't be Joe.

[TidalWave46]

82. Doesn't bother me in the slightest that...

You support the Sanders campaigns turn of openly supporting PAC support. Seems a bit redundant. I told you I thought it was great just a short time ago.

Not sure what you mean about ignoring my candidate. I discuss him regularly. I’m just don’t bite on deflection as a debate tactic. My candidate is openly on team Autumn. Bring on the PAC support!

[Autumn]

85. Then we are good. It doesn't seem to bother you that Joe can't make up his mind on his IWR vote

and Joe changed his mind and accepts PAC support too.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/24/us/politics/joe-biden-super-pac.html
Biden Campaign Drops Opposition to Super PAC Support
After ending the third quarter with less cash than four rivals, Joe Biden’s campaign reversed course to stop discouraging supporters from forming a super PAC to help him in the Democratic primary.

Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s campaign effectively dropped its longstanding opposition to receiving the assistance of super PACs on Thursday, opening the door for wealthy supporters to spend unlimited amounts of money to try and lift him in the Democratic primary.

The move represents a stark reversal and an implicit acknowledgment of his weakened position in the contest. He entered October with only $9 million in the bank, a fraction of his leading rivals.

Mr. Biden had explicitly denounced support from a super PAC in his 2020 run and had previously said he would not have blessed one if he had run in 2016. As recently as a month ago, when a possible pro-Biden super PAC surfaced, his campaign denounced the effort.

But on Thursday, Kate Bedingfield, his deputy campaign manager, softened that stance, blaming the barrage of ads and attacks from President Trump and his allies and accusing them of interfering in the Democratic primary.

[OnDoutside]

38. Truth is what I say it is ?

[Autumn]

65. When Liz says it I'll believe it. Until then AFAIC it's a lying smear by unnamed sources.

[ritapria]

3. Bernie urged Liz to run for President in 2016

Here comes the torrent of bullshit ..We all knew it was coming ...He ran for President in 2016 - only AFTER she refused his entreaties to run against Hillary … Stay Strong Bernie Supporters ..It is only going to get a lot worse ….CNN lives off the Private Health Insurance and Pharmaceutical Teat that is ruining your lives..

[Cha]

15. yeah, and BS thought it was a good idea to Primary President

Obama in 2012.. I don't take anything he says seriously.

[Autumn]

67. Nice deflection there. Doesn't change the fact that he urged Liz to run. nt

[democrattotheend]

86. But he didn't

So I'm not sure what your point is.

[Cha]

88. I can't help you if you can't

figure that out on your own.

[Darkhawk32]

19. Exactly. Here come the smears.

I agree that candidates have to not just be a minority or a woman. They have to present a compelling set of policies.

Sanders is right.

As to him saying that a woman can't win, I think the EW camp is lying their asses off.

[OnDoutside]

40. And yet Hillary got 66m votes and was only stopped by the 30 years

Of Republican hate.

That said, I don't think Warren can win, primarily over following Bernie's M4A, without clearly having thought about how it would be attacked.

[Darkhawk32]

55. I don't disagree with anything you said except...

When she waffled on M4A, that's when he numbers dropped.

[OnDoutside]

58. That's what I'm saying, that she just jumped on BS announcing his

M4A, without any work done, even worse that she should have seen the disaster Harris made of doing the same thing.

[Darkhawk32]

90. Gotcha! Sorry about that. n/t

[BeyondGeography]

4. Guess it isn't so private anymore

[comradebillyboy]

10. The gloves are coming off at last. I think Warren is a lot tougher and smarter

than Sanders and will come out on top of this kerfuffle.

[Cha]

13. I hope so.. I'll take EW over

BS.. anytime.

[WheelWalker]

27. Absolutely. And AK, as well.

I'm still holding AK as my second choice. But both EW and AK have the chops to handle POTUS.

[BeyondGeography]

18. They've been messing with her for months

Starting with that NYC rally. She has messed him up pretty good the last two days.

Speaking of messes, Bernie flunked another NY newspaper interview:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/01/13/opinion/bernie-sanders-nytimes-interview.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

[Cha]

16. No.. the freaking "cat is out of the bag".

[Mike 03]

5. From the article:

The two agreed that if they ultimately faced each other as presidential candidates, they should remain civil and avoid attacking one another, so as not to hurt the progressive movement. They also discussed how to best take on President Donald Trump, and Warren laid out two main reasons she believed she would be a strong candidate: She could make a robust argument about the economy and earn broad support from female voters.

Sanders responded that he did not believe a woman could win.

The description of that meeting is based on the accounts of four people: two people Warren spoke with directly soon after the encounter, and two people familiar with the meeting.

That evening, Sanders expressed frustration at what he saw as a growing focus among Democrats on identity politics, according to one of the people familiar with the conversation. Warren told Sanders she disagreed with his assessment that a woman could not win, three of the four sources said.

Sanders denied the characterization of the meeting in a statement to CNN.

Hmmmm.

[comradebillyboy]

7. I don't find this the least bit surprising.

[ms liberty]

9. Your concern is noted. n/t

[Skya Rhen]

21. And your lack, thereof, is duly noted. n/t

[Cha]

39. So is yours.

[philly_bob]

11. Anti-Sanders stuff is always one or two steps removed from him.

He hired an adviser who did X. In a private meeting he did Y.

Myself, with all the partisan noise, I judge candidates by what they do in public. And Sanders has not publicly committed any major gaffes.

[TidalWave46]

24. "I judge candidates by what they do in public."

He publicly hired Sirota, Turner and Gray.

Are you saying that he is so out of control that someone else is even responsible for his whole campaign? Even the people he personally hired?

[philly_bob]

30. I'm not talking about Sirota, Turner and Gray.

I'm talking about Sanders.

No doubt you have a laundry list of evildoing that Sirota, Turner and Gray have done, but I'm not buying it and I don't want to put the time in to research third and fourth level Washington politicos. (I don't even know who Turner and Gray are.)

Nor am I judging any of the candidates by statements made by their supporters on DU.

I am listening to WHAT THE CANDIDATES SAY.

[Evergreen Emerald]

32. Is that the same policy you have for judging Trump?

[philly_bob]

51. Good point. No, it's not. The media covers Trump exhaustively..

I don't trust the quality of information in this pre-primary discussion. So much of it is whispers, insider politics, and partisan ambush.

[TidalWave46]

41. You are not talking about his direct decisions and attacks?

Ignoring the closest people to the CANDIDATE is not a good way to go about things.

[Cha]

42. BS can say anything.. We are talking about

the pushers and voters of jill stein's Lies that he hired.

Says a lot who candidates surround themselves with.

This is what David Sirota is spreading on twitter:

He's repeating misleading truncated quotes of Joe Biden AND circulating a graphic calling Biden "blue trump".

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287403646

Link to tweet

The BS campaign obviously doesn't feel they can win without these kinds of "attacks".. pity.

[Hav]

45. But that is kind of a dishonest way to make excuses

I know that with Sanders, the buck always stops somewhere else but we cannot only make judgements based on direct statements and ignore the campaign led by him. Sanders hired dirtbags who actively worked against the last Dem candidate in the general election to do the attacks for him by lying and distorting the truth. He prefers not to get his hands dirty. We aren't talking about random supporters who misbehave but people who he hired to do exactly what they are doing.
That's why he can dishonestly ask whether he's ever said anything bad about Warren while he gets introduced at a rally as someone who at least was never a Republican.

[Bummfuzzle]

46. And he knows these hires are doing it. It is out there and we are all seeing it.

Sanders cannot deny it is happening. And he says nothing. I have not heard him come down on the person that put out a dishonest video about Biden and cutting SS. That has been a couple weeks and was totally dishonest. Sanders said nothing.

[Demsrule86]

48. IMHO Sen. Sanders makes sure it is one or two steps removed from him...plausible deniability.

[philly_bob]

57. Frankly, you guys are being played.

From a Trump tweet today:

"Bernie Sander’s volunteers are trashing Elizabeth “Pocahontus” Warren. Everybody knows her campaign is dead and want her potential voters. Mini Mike B is also trying, but getting tiny crowds which are all leaving fast. Elizabeth is very angry at Bernie. Do I see a feud brewing?"

Trump WANTS a Sanders/Warren feud, and, frankly, some Biden supporters here seem to be going along with it.

I'm out of here. I don't want to argue anymore with primary partisans.

[Hav]

62. But Trump has nothing to do with the origins of this claim

He also doesn't have anything to do with Sirota and Turner. They do their despicable stuff all by themselves.

[philly_bob]

91. I think my post was insulting to DU participants. Apologies.

I was exasperated, so I said "You guys are being played."

We'll all be together in November and we'll all be watching with great interest the debate tonight.

I do wish folks would wise up to to online opinion manipulation, though.

[Quixote1818]

12. The Biden folks sure are doing their best to divide the Sanders / Warren supporters.

Good luck with that.

[Cha]

14. this is coming from the EW camp.. nothing to do

with Joe Biden.

What, is the OP suppose to cover up the news to suit you?

Good luck with your distraction and accusation.

[TidalWave46]

25. This seems to be from Warrens camp. NT

[Demsrule86]

50. I think there are some who appear to be Warren supporters but who are really Sanders supporters...

not saying you.

[marlakay]

84. That's what I say

I would happily vote for either.

The media would love nothing better than to tear down the progressives.

[Skya Rhen]

89. Warren just confirmed Bernie's remark - oops...

Link to tweet

[oldsoftie]

17. A woman HAS won....

[Cha]

43. Excellent point. someone should let BS know.

[Darkhawk32]

20. And let the smears begin..... Nt

[booley]

22. Sanders wanted warren to run in 2016

That and given his record on women's rights, that seems REALLY out of character. He clearly didn't believe that before.

Oh and look. That "Attack" by Bernie on Warren ended up not being true. It was some random guy making a random comment that was quickly deleted by the mods, which Politico blew up to make it look like some official policy.

Saying maybe we should take these revelations with a bit of salt. This looks like Bernie Bros threw Chairs" thing all over again.

[blm]

77. Sanders should go after the Politico reporters then, IMO.

Why on earth did they report on that script if it didn’t exist in the first place? Politico needs to be held responsible, and Sanders should demand a retraction and an apology to him and to Warren.

[Tarc]

26. I find both the timing and the content itself to be rather suspect

That is all.

[Mike Nelson]

28. How can he think that after...

... Hillary Clinton - a woman - won the vote in the Democratic Primary and General Election contests? He was there for the Primary!

[W_HAMILTON]

29. Unbelieveable.

Horseshoe Theory on full display.

[booley]

37. Thanks

This gives me an excuse to show this video on how the horse shoe theory of Politics is kinda crap

[W_HAMILTON]

60. I don't give random YouTubers money for clicks, sorry.

I've had my fair share of run-ins with online Sanders supporters that espouse misogyny, homophobia, and even subtle racism and no random YouTube video is going to change that.

If you think differently, feel free to express yourself in your own words.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

33. Believing this means also believing Warren chose to not disclose this information and continued to

praise him in a professional capacity.

[W_HAMILTON]

34. Because she's one that actually exemplifies that "Not Me. Us." that is just a slogan for Sanders.

[booley]

35. or more likely.. that isnt what was said

Seriously, if you think Not me, Us" is just a slogan for Sanders, you know nothing of the man.

Gonna hazard a guess here but some seem way to eager to believe anything negative about Bernard Sanders even when it makes no sense whats so ever.

[Bummfuzzle]

44. The statement about frustration with identity politics is right on to what he has been saying

out loud, to all of us, for a while now. Since he has said it to the public often enough, why wouldn't he say it in a meeting with Warren discussing a presidential run? And if he said that, and that half of the conversation is correctly being reported, then doesn't that heighten the odds all of what is repeated is true?

[Demsrule86]

52. Four sources and I have not heard Warren denying it...you?

[W_HAMILTON]

61. The only person more candidate-centric in this race other than Sanders is Trump himself.

It's also one of the main reasons the man has accomplished nothing despites decades in public office.

[Demsrule86]

47. She probably didn't want to alienate his followers but now road meet rubber...He is attacking her.

[SidDithers]

49. Now confirmed by the NYT...

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/13/us/politics/bernie-sanders-elizabeth-warren-woman-president.html


Sid

[Agschmid]

75. "Is said to have said" is not exactly a confirmation...

[Me.]

53. Is This A Case Of HIs Transference

try to eliminate competition?

[Gothmog]

54. This is going to get nasty

Link to tweet

[Nanjeanne]

56. OFFS. Bernie encouraged Warren to run in 2016. Back in 1988 there is

Video showing Sanders saying “In my view a woman could be elected president of the United States.”. That is 1988!!!

Link to tweet

This is all to drum up nonsense before the debate so Bernie will get gossip questions and CNN will pit Warren against Sanders in hopes that no one will have time to address real issues.

Reality TV - Debate Scandal. Gets those ratings up.

[betsuni]

59. Still amazes me how often people said electing the first woman president would be "status quo."

[Cha]

63. They live on buzzwords.. and this..

Link to tweet

I'm gonna go with EW on this..

[betsuni]

66. Don't even have to think about it. Going with EW.

[Eric J in MN]

73. Four people not in the room suddenly remember a controversial remark

...which wasn't reported at the time, but which would hurt Bernie Sanders in the IA Caucus which is three weeks ago.

They're lying.

[ritapria]

76. The report came from MJ Lee , the CNN correspondent covering the Warren campaign

This accusation came from the Warren campaign ….Just as bogus as the accusation Elizabeth Warren made yesterday that Bernie directed volunteers to trash her campaign ...Bernie had nothing to do with the production or dissemination pf the document in question...A very troubling pattern is emerging .. Why in God's name would Bernie urge Elizabeth to run for President in 2015 if he really believed a woman could not win The Presidency ? .. ...The accusation makes no sense … As Mayor of Burlington , Bernie told the young school children he was addressing that the girls , too , have every right to and should think of one day running for President ……...Very Sad

[blm]

80. Warren didn't offer that Bernie trashed her, she clearly said she HEARD his

campaign was trashing her. Just as WE heard what was reported by Politico reporters.

It seems to me that Sanders should hold Politico and the reporters responsible and demand a retraction and an apology to him and to Warren.

[caraher]

78. And here we are fighting amongst ourselves again

This won't help us in November.

[totodeinhere]

79. Bernie is denying it.

And myself, I don't believe it. He may have discussed the difficulties of breaking the glass ceiling, but Bernie has long been an advocate for women running for office.

[democrattotheend]

87. Those things are not inconsistent necessarily

Bernie might personally and professionally be supportive of women and want to see a woman be elected president, but also believe this country is still too sexist to elect a woman. And sadly, after 2016, I'm not sure he's wrong. Maybe a woman can win but the bar is 10 times higher...she has to be 10 times more perfect than a white man (as did Obama, as the first black president). As much as I can't stand Papa Pope on Scandal, his "twice as good" speech at the beginning of season 3 is dead on.

[brush]

83. Not good...backlash is gonna be costly.

Why is one particular campaign always in the middle of divisive crap that helps repugs?