Senator Sanders might well not have known some things about Joe Rogan.

[MineralMan]

He knows them now, though, so when does he disavow the endorsement?

I would not be surprised that Bernie doesn't know a lot about a lot of people. He's eager for endorsements, so he might not be checking on the people who offer their endorsement. I can understand that, but once people let him know that there's an issue with crowing about an endorsement, he needs to explain that he didn't know that about that person.

Will he? That's an important question for many people, I'd think.

[MontanaMama]

1. He might not have known.

But he is paying staff to know those things.

[George II]

2. If he didn't know some things about him he shouldn't have issued a glowing campaign ad...

...about the endorsement. I know, someone will complain "he doesn't do the ads", but the ad was IN HIS NAME and had to have been approved by a close staffer.

But, if what has been said about him is true, he knows about Rogan and he knew about the ad. He's a micromanager who insists on approving every little thing. That ad wasn't a "little thing", it's damaging and as some would say of other candidates that would have a bungle like this, "it's disqualifying".

[DanTex]

3. The people "outraged" about this are those that already hated him.

Or else they are professional pundits. There are pretty much zero actual voters who are going to be swayed against Bernie based on this endorsement.

[MineralMan]

4. I'm not actually sure that's true at all.

I suppose we'll see.

[pnwmom]

5. That doesn't make it okay that he's promoting the endorsement. nt

[LongtimeAZDem]

8. Maybe, but many of the people who support him wouldn't care if he shot someone

[Thekaspervote]

11. Sad... isn't it!!

[DanTex]

12. You mean like how Biden supporters don't care that he voted for a war that killed

hundreds of thousands of innocent people? I dunno.

I guess we can't say for sure, because Bernie didn't shoot anyone. My guess is that if Bernie had voted for a war that killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people, his supporters actually would care. But we can't know, because he voted against it.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

28. Whatabout, whatabout, whatabout...

[DanTex]

29. Not whatabout, just hypocrisy.

There doesn't need to be "what about," because no sane person who isn't either a professional pundit or didn't already hate Bernie before this thinks that the Joe Rogan thing is problematic. It's faux outrage, and everyone knows this.

What I am doing is pointing out the deep hypocrisy of the Bernie-haters who want to purity-test Bernie for getting an endorsement from a shock jock, but are cool with their guy getting advice from a war criminal. Bizarre, but hatred does that to people.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

31. I guess I must have missed that time when Kissinger endorsed Biden

and then Biden used that endorsement in his campaign advertising.

The problem isn't that a guy with a long history of racist, homophobic and misogynistic "comedy" endorsed Bernie - candidates can't really control who decides to endorse them, even embarrassing characters like Rogan - it's that Bernie welcomed the endorsement and touted it in his campaign advertising. Big difference.

[Thekaspervote]

33. Your guy voted for appropriations for that war...he isn't without fault

[Cha]

39. Hey WhatABOUT HILLARY.. our Nominee who Got MORE

Democratic VOTES than anyone except President Obama.. she voted for the same as BIDEN did.

You want to try to WHATABOUT HILLARY, too, dantex?

[DanTex]

45. I don't know what you mean about Hillary.

Yeah, she got more votes, but she lost the EC. That's not something we want to repeat, and Biden does feel a lot like Hillary 2.0, because of the the Iraq War vote and other things too.

[delisen]

42. Sanders voted to fund the war. He voted agnst IWR

Sanders backed the war in Afghanistan. Only Barbara Lee opposed war in Afghanistan.

[Thekaspervote]

10. Here's a sample of what the AA community thinks

Link to tweet

?s=21

Sanders poll number are dismal with AA voters ...why would an endorsement like this help?? Please enlighten me

[DanTex]

13. Again, LOL. That's not a "sample", that's one guy who's been bashing Bernie

the entire time since well before the Rogan thing.

[Thekaspervote]

34. I could post dozens more

[DanTex]

35. Yes, there are dozens more Bernie haters that hated Bernie before this and continued to

hate Bernie after this. More than dozens. I know that.

[Thekaspervote]

37. Say what you like..what I've written isn't hating on anyone

And what the twitter follower I posted wasn’t hate either. As an AA he was stating his feelings

[DanTex]

38. I meant the twitter people attacking Bernie for this.

Like that one you posted, he has been hating on Bernie since way before this incident, so it's pretty hard to believe that this has anything to do with Joe Rogan. That guy, like a lot of them, are just looking for any excuse they can find to attack Bernie.

[Cha]

40. Oh NO, dantex.. it's NOT just "one guy" as you assert.. it ALL OVER the NET..

Link to tweet

[DanTex]

43. That's the same Bernie-hating twitter account that I just responded to.

Literally the same exact one. Yes, anti-Bernie twitter accounts all over the net. Today they are "outraged" by Joe Rogan, yesterday they were "outraged" at Bernie flying in a jet, tomorrow they will be "outraged" about something else.

[Cha]

44. Yeah, many of us can relate to Not wanting BS

to be the nom.

[DanTex]

46. Of course. People have different opinions.

My point is the the people "outraged" about this are the people who already didn't want Bernie to be the nominee, and so basically anything that happens in the world gets turned into the anti-Bernie outrage of the day, and posted to all the same anti-Bernie twitter accounts.

It's not really about Joe Rogan or trans rights. That's just today's excuse.

[YOHABLO]

32. Wow, that's a stretch.

[Cha]

41. NOPE. No "stretch".

[melman]

6. Do you think he might have relied on "incorrect information"?

I've heard tell that happens sometimes.

[MineralMan]

7. Do go on...

I'm not running for President, now, am I? I know exactly where you're coming from, even if others do not. So, yes, please do go on...

[melman]

9. Well if you get the reference

you should get the point. If not, then perhaps you should give it some thought.

[MineralMan]

14. As I said, I'm not running for office.

There are a few people who trot out that old crap from time to time. Here's a hint: It was all taken out of context in the first place. And, in the second place, you can read my posts here to understand where I stand now, and have for years.

If you think hinting about that old tired crap now will have any impact on anyone, then please proceed. But, keep in mind that I'm not running for any office. People on DU know me and my positions. Some here are probably wondering what we're talking about. Maybe half a dozen know to what you're referring.

You are wasting your time. But you're welcome to elaborate, if you wish.

[melman]

17. "It was all taken out of context in the first place''

Really? That sure isn't what you said then.

[MineralMan]

21. You linked to an explanation and an apology from me?

From almost 8 years ago? Wow!

That's fine. I explained and apologized for something I wrote in 2004. sixteen years ago.

I was not defending myself in the post you linked to. Instead, I admitted to saying something that was incorrect, attempted to explain, and apologized for my words.

People are welcome to read that, as far as I'm concerned. In fact, I hope they do.

For pete's sake! This is 2020, and we're discussion the Democratic presidential primary race here. We're not discussing me. I'm not a candidate in that race. We're discussion the candidates and their campaigns.

I've been using the same screen name to discuss politics for well over 2 decades. In that time, I have written close to 200,000 posts on different websites. Beginning in 2008, I have only posted about politics here, on Democratic Underground. From time to time, I have posted stupidly. I try not to do that, but there it is. You can find those few stupid posts in the six figure number of posts I have made, if you have sufficient time and the desire to find them. It seems a waste of time, to me, but some people seem to feel the need to do so as a means of argument about posts that have nothing to do with any of that.

You're welcome to do whatever you want. I don't care. Good luck with that, though.

[melman]

26. "People are welcome to read that, as far as I'm concerned."

How nice. People that take you up on that might notice a couple of things:


1. No mention of anything being taken out of context


2. How the apology and explanation were received at the time (hint:not that well)

[MineralMan]

30. That's what I said.

I'm done with this subthread, melman. I suggest you let it go, too.

[George II]

18. You've got to watch yourself, MM, ever word you or many others here write are subject to...

...screen shots, bookmarking, parsing, cataloging and cross-referencing for future purposes, to the point of going back twelve years to prove a misconceived point.

[MineralMan]

19. Somewhere, there's a database or spreadsheet with references to

stuff like that. I'm not sure where. I know where one was, but that site is long gone.

I don't watch myself. I explain myself. When I was wrong, I apologize. I see that my antagonist has added a link, now, to something. I guess I'll have to look at that, too.

[George II]

20. I think it's more extensive than the Library of Congress.

[MineralMan]

23. LOL!

I can't even remember the name of that toxic DU Forum that got eliminated back in 2012 or 2013 any longer. It was a horrid place.

[totodeinhere]

15. He can accept an endorsement from people who have views that he doesn't agree with.

Bernie's entire political life has been the antithesis of a lot of what Joe Rogan stands for. Bernie has always been at the forefront of support for equal rights for the LGBTQ community. Bernie supported gay marriage rights back when Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton did not. But would we rather have Joe Rogan and his supporters vote for our nominee or would you rather have then vote for Trump? In a close election we might need votes from those people. Bernie has said that he is the candidate best positioned to attract votes from some of the voters who supported Trump in 2016. The Joe Rogan endorsement is an example of that.

[MineralMan]

16. People will vote for our nominee based on many factors.

Of course, Joe Rogan is free to endorse Bernie Sanders. Lots of people are doing that, including Kellyanne Conway. He's getting some good mentions from other Republicans, as well. Do you suppose those are sincere and will help in win the nomination?

I doubt that neither Joe Rogan nor Kellyanne Conway really influence the votes of very many people. However, they might influence the votes of people who might vote for Sentator Sanders in their states' primaries. Probably not in the way Bernie hopes, however.

I'm thinking of some of those who endorsed Sanders the last time he ran. Not all of those endorsements were of help to him, as you might remember.

Please note that MoveOn is not pleased with Bernie touting that endorsement. Now, people aligned with that organization are voters the Senator is probably counting on.

[totodeinhere]

48. I'm a long time MoveOn member and from what I can tell the vast majority of my

fellow MoveOn members will enthusiastically support Bernie in November. But that doesn't mean there might not be some tactical disagreements on just how Bernie should be running his campaign. But be that as it may, of course in most elections strategic voting does happen and this one will probably be no exception. But I'm not going to let that influence my decision on who I think will be our strongest candidate going forward in November.

[George II]

24. He didn't just accept the endorsement, he used it in a new campaign ad!

[FirstLight]

22. Honestly, I don't know who Joe Rogan is...or why he matters

I tried to read an article about him but I still don't get it...

Why does this guy matter?

[MineralMan]

25. I doubt if he matters much to most people.

He is a toxic individual, who has attacked several groups of people who are attacked often and who suffer from those attacks. Like Donald Trump, he "speaks his mind."

He has insulted people of color, using ugly names. He has insulted the LGBTQIA community frequently, using similar ugly labels. He is abrasive in his language toward others. In general, he's not a nice guy at all.

He has a following of like-minded people. Perhaps Senator Sanders is hoping Rogan's followers will vote for him. I don't know. But, Bernie already has support from some of the same people Rogan has maligned or insulted. By promoting Rogan's endorsement of him, Sanders is making a mistake, it seems to me.

That's neither here nor there for me. I'm not voting for Bernie in my state's primary election, and I'm supporting Joe Biden. So if Sentator Sanders hurts his own campaign, that's not a matter of concern for me.

[Thekaspervote]

36. I am beginning to think the same way! I'm one that's been unhappy with this endorsement

The Democratic Party should elevate itself above those that chose to call people the N word and spew filth about the LBGQT community. What kind of endorsement is that and why is that good for any dem candidate?

But like you, i need to just let it go....if Senator sanders hurts his campaign then I’m not concerned either

[Wellstone ruled]

27. Yes,endorsement game will come back to bite

if one does not know what is behind it.

[BuffaloJackalope]

47. Then there's a bigger issue.

This whole debacle is a failure of the people advising him, and shows Sanders' immense lack of judgement in building that staff.