Our Democratic Presidents and Their Sexual Peccadillos

[MineralMan]

So Democratic Presidential candidates must be sexually pure and admirable? Really?

FDR - Long-term affair with a woman other than his wife.
JFK - Multiple affairs, including with Marilyn Monroe
LBJ - Several affairs, including a 20+ year one with Madeleine Brown
Bill Clinton - We all remember

Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama are notable for their faithfulness.

The country looked the other way. So, now, we're eliminating candidates who have kissed somebody's hair or rubbed noses with someone without asking permission? Really?

While a philandering, pussy-grabbing asshole sits in the White House? Really?I

Do we even care who wins in 2020? Really?

[jberryhill]

1. "Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama are notable for their faithfulness"

You forgot the famous own-goal which Carter nearly scored while making a point about faithfulness in a Playboy interview, of all places.

[MineralMan]

3. No I Didn't.

Doesn't count unless you're a Baptist.

[True Blue American]

15. Jimmy goes by the

If you think it you are guilty.

[BeyondGeography]

2. The only solution: Full-body condoms for Democratic males to be worn during waking hours

Don’t worry, people can get used to anything.

[peggysue2]

5. Okay, you made me laugh

Haven't done much laughing today with all this nonsense being spewed.

Full-body condoms

[MustLoveBeagles]

38. LOL

Reminds me of this:

[Squinch]

4. 1) No one, including Flores, is saying Biden should be eliminated as a candidate.

2) no one said Democratic candidates have to be sexually pure and admirable
3) why is it we were all able to see the inappropriateness of Bush massaging Merkel's shoulders and agree on it, and we were all appalled when trump said he 'didn't even ask them, he just grabbed them' but we can't seem to agree that the same behavior from Biden was inappropriate?
4) ALL of those affairs were consensual. Biden's actions are not.

[MineralMan]

6. Oh, yes they are.

Just not directly.

Just you wait. Others are about to be outed. Biden's the target right now. Others will follow. This is insidious shit. Just wait.

[Squinch]

9. And the rest? Did you think it was creepy when Bush massaged Merkel? Did you think

trump saying he just grabs women without their permission was appalling?

Do you understand that there is a difference between consensual affairs and a guy grabbing at women without their consent?

Do you understand that women saying, "that's really creepy and he needs to stop doing that" is different from anyone demanding sexual purity?

[MineralMan]

10. I have said what I wanted to say.

That's it.

[Squinch]

14. That answers my questions very clearly, actually.

[guillaumeb]

29. So you refuse to defend your position?

Interesting. I must bookmark this thread.

[Corgigal]

22. All that's needed is a photo,

and a story. Roger Stone isn't in prison yet and he has major attorneys bills to pay.

[Eko]

18. She is saying that he should step aside for a female candidate.

eom.

[Squinch]

20. I have not seen that. And I have seen where she said she would unquestionably

vote for him if he won the primary.

Could you provide a link to where she said that?

[Eko]

21. Sorry,

That was Amy Lappos.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/436823-biden-accuser-i-came-forward-because-im-disappointed-in-my-party
My bad, I retract it wholeheartedly.

[Squinch]

25. It happens to me all the time.

[Pope George Ringo II]

7. I don't think the complaint is that Biden sleeps around, more about unsolicited handsiness.

I very much doubt the dictionary would agree that's a word, but I'm going to run with it anyway.

At any rate, it's something we need to work through with Biden. Some of us have known for years that he's free with his hands and occasionally says the darnedest things. We have an opinion of Biden which takes that into consideration already. I do believe some are attempting to use this against Biden, but I also believe some just need to sort out how they feel about Biden's, ah, eccentricities. And even those of us who are familiar with his tendencies could use a good example of how he'll handle them given where he is in life and where society is--because this absolutely will come up in a general election.

To lay all my cards on the table, my first choice is Harris, my second is Buttigieg, based on perceived merit. I'm actually pondering a switch to Biden whatever his faults because I absolutely could not stomach Sanders and Biden might be our best chance of shutting that down the quickest and minimizing the fallout.

I really do bear him no malice, but I do believe it's a fair question and we have to see how he handles it. I thought his press release in response to the last one was pretty encouraging in that respect.

[MineralMan]

8. This whole thing is being orchestrated by someone.

I don't know who.

[Squinch]

11. Or maybe Joe should have learned to keep his hands to himself when he was first told to,

which was decades ago.

[MineralMan]

13. Please proceed. I have said my piece.

[guillaumeb]

28. But he did not view it as improper behavior. eom

[Squinch]

30. And that is the problem.

[guillaumeb]

31. Exactly.

And there are so very many threads right now that illustrate associated aspects of the problem.

[Squinch]

32. I'm finding it very depressing and shockingly hypocritical.

[guillaumeb]

33. My view:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211977815

[Pope George Ringo II]

12. I have suspicions, but they're irrelevant.

What matters is that a year and a half from now, they'll be orchestrated by the Trump camp. Either Biden is able to handle them, or we should have chosen a different candidate. I like what I've seen about how he's handled it so far.

[peggysue2]

16. I think this whole thing is being nudged by those on the . . .

Left and the Right. Which is a clear indication that Joe Biden is perceived as a genuine threat in the 2020 race. Though I'd like to see the attacks stop, I suspect we'll see more, not less as the campaigns gear up.

As for the accusations themselves?

I think they're profoundly stupid and counterproductive, undermining the very sense of listening to women's voices and their stories. Turn this into a ridiculous political weapon? People will stop listening altogether. Only to silence vulnerable women once again, those with genuine grievances of sexual harassment and assault.

A very short-sighted approach.

[MineralMan]

17. Very good points, I think.

Thanks!

[guillaumeb]

34. Should we discount Ms. Flores' accusations?

What if she supported no one?

[peggysue2]

37. Don't really care who she's supporting

As for the accusation itself? I said what I thought of the complaint: counterproductive and short-sighted. Also profoundly stupid.

[Otto Lidenbrock]

19. So you are suggesting we re-elect President Carter?

Fine by me!

[Blue_true]

23. No. Reelect President Obama with President Carter as VP.

Hell, we need to save the world, why not go for the best option for doing that.

[msongs]

24. the bible says adulterers should be put to death nt

[MineralMan]

26. Way too drastic. Besides, I'm an atheist.

I once committed adultery in my 30s. I learned from that and never did it again. My wife forgave me for it, too.

I'm not running for president, though, or anything else.

[guillaumeb]

27. Are you equating consensual affairs with allegations of UNWANTED touching?

Interesting.

[McCamy Taylor]

35. And what counts as unwanted "touching"? Some cultures kiss and hug strangers.

Some do not even hug their own kin. How much as this "He touched me! Eeek!" stems for cultural differences? The way I look at it, unless his hand lingered on tits, ass or vagina, it was not a sexual touch. But I am sure that there are women out there who would view any skin to skin contact as scary.

[guillaumeb]

36. But we are speaking of the US, and US politicians.

I have been working with a few Arab/Muslim organizations for 2 years. Some of the women do not shake hands with males who are not relatives.

But if someone has a history of unsolicited touching, some people will make assumptions.