*****DEBATE THREAD #3*****

[MustLoveBeagles]

It's time for another debate thread. Get your popcorn!




Edited to add link: https://abcnews.go.com/Live

[riversedge]

1. time speaking so far..............

Link to tweet

?s=20

[napi21]

17. Looks like they're using the poll results to guide the time clock. n/t

[tblue37]

74. Which becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. nt

[highplainsdem]

2. Thanks for starting the new thread!

[riversedge]

3. Sen. Amy Klobuchar raised her hand when the #DemDebate candidates were asked if they were concerned

Sen. Amy Klobuchar raised her hand when the #DemDebate candidates were asked if they were concerned about "having a Democratic socialist on the top of the ticket."

Sen. Bernie Sanders quickly responded to the question, saying, "I am not."

Link to tweet

?s=20

[JohnnyLib2]

4. Thanks, learning a lot by quietly reading this thread.

[elleng]

5. MUCH more detail if you can watch/listen.

[JohnnyLib2]

14. Yes, have it on.

Good antidote for the Trump poison air this week.

[elleng]

16. Yes, and YES, it is,

thank goodness.

[highplainsdem]

8. YouTube link from ABC for watching live:

[MustLoveBeagles]

11. Thanks

I forgot to post the link. I'm adding to the OP.

[nolabear]

6. I dunno, Yang...it's just not fleshed out enough.

I can’t connect his dots to see how he does it.

[lunasun]

21. Amy had all the details on his plan 👀

Yes Yang doesn’t follow through with his proposals
Amy detailed it for him

[highplainsdem]

7. Amy's coming across as super-competent. Very impressive.

[squirecam]

9. She handled the prosecutor question just fine

Nt

[trueblue2007]

10. AMY IS AWESOME.

[sprinkleeninow]

63. Uh huh. Agreed.

[squirecam]

12. Biden attacks sanders again on guns

This should be interesting

[JudyM]

15. Yelling again.

[elleng]

19. He did well, explaining complex history briefly.

[highplainsdem]

13. And Joe just nailed Bernie for his five votes against the Brady bill.

[Cha]

103. Excellent!! TY!

[JudyM]

18. Liz - nailing the Senate on Gun Control because the gun industry calls the shots, need to end

corruption. Fantastic speech.

[squirecam]

22. Also said we need filibuster reform

Nt

[livetohike]

20. Elizabeth finally gets a chance to respond. Good answers

on gun issues.

[spooky3]

28. She's also doing great on abortion rights (as did Biden). Nt

[livetohike]

40. Joe: I agree with Ruth Bader Ginsburg. ( on number of

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judges on the Supreme Court).

[lunasun]

29. On choice just now too

[MerryBlooms]

23. Thanks so much for the threads and links!

It's been very spirited.

[MustLoveBeagles]

30. You're welcome

[livetohike]

24. Go Joe! "A woman does have the right to choose."n/t

[IcyPeas]

25. Yes, dammit talk about all the rightwing judges!!!!!!

[highplainsdem]

26. I'm glad Warren is getting more time to talk.

[JudyM]

27. Joe's fans here need to stop attacking Sanders for yelling, because Joe's been yelling this entire

debate!


Doesn’t bother me at all.

[Blaukraut]

34. They should both use their indoor voice. n/t

[Mersky]

31. Warren gave an excellent response on protecting the right to choose.

[highplainsdem]

32. I know this is trivial, but Amy's makeup is much better than it was in another recent

debate, where it was really badly done. She's looking great tonight.

[zackymilly]

36. Joe's makeup looks good too. n/t

[helpisontheway]

43. Yes! I told my son that she looks fantastic tonight!nt

[squirecam]

33. Amy brings up doctor prosecutions for abortion

Great answer

[marlakay]

35. Glad our democrat issues

Are getting fully talked about. Good debate!

[Peacetrain]

38. This reads like we are finally having a full debate of issues

not listening but reading peoples reactions..

[elleng]

39. True, a very good exchange of ideas.

[Peacetrain]

45. That is excellent excellent elleng!!

[marlakay]

46. Not everything but talking about guns

Abortion rights, drug crimes, war in middle east, healthcare.

I guess they are talking more than stump speeches.

[Peacetrain]

47. I am happy about that!!!

[JudyM]

37. Question to Pete re adding more S.C. justices. He says we shouldn't be afraid to amend the

Constitution and a Constitutional amendment to kill Citizens United.

[BootinUp]

41. Petes ideas on the court are long overdue imho eom.

[StevieM]

56. Agreed. But I think we need to go even further.

At this point we may just have to pack the court, at least as a starting point.

Roe vs. Wade, and probably Obamacare, are going to be gone next year. We cannot allow that to stand.

[JudyM]

42. LOL! Joe asks who can win S.C., Fl, etc and everyone on stage raises their hand!

[squirecam]

44. Steyer gets to diversity and attacking trump not each other

Nt

[dchill]

48. Agreed!

[JudyM]

49. Wishing we could all debate this substantively on DU without all the smears.

[nolabear]

50. I don't know that moderator but she's not having it.

She’s holding Pete to his claim.

[PatSeg]

64. She's good

I've never seen her before. The moderators questions overall have been excellent.

[BeyondGeography]

51. Pete is being exposed here

[squirecam]

52. Warren goes after him but

I wonder if this won’t come back to her re: Nevada issues

[BeyondGeography]

61. Oh please...Pete's record as Mayor vs a few unhappy campaign workers

You win the false equivalency award.

[krissey]

158. That she took ownership of and put for steps to immediately address. Right.

[nolabear]

53. I think maybe he is. I'm not as favorable toward him as I was.

[dchill]

62. It seems that he's spending a lot of time pivoting.

Not really answering.

[fishwax]

90. I agree -- I tuned in late, but caught that question and exchange. He did not handle it well.

[dchill]

120. It's not just tonight, either. He's ALMOST...

...a smooth politician.

[tishaLA]

54. These answers re: African American arrests in SB are

I'm sorry to say, awful

[Ellen Forradalom]

60. He should have been more prepared for that.

[lunasun]

55. Thank you Warren !

[Celerity]

57. the moderator landed a large blow on Pete, she hammered him more than any of the actual candidates

[marlakay]

68. They always seem to do that

To who ever is winning.

[Celerity]

72. horse race upkeep nt

[nolabear]

58. Yang, that's just weird in this spot.

Racism doesn’t equal money.

[redqueen]

67. He was talking about the fastest way to improve the financial situation of ethnic minorities.

Reparations won't pass. Not even all Dems want it.

[PatSeg]

78. He tries to bring most

subjects back to $1000 a month.

[redqueen]

82. Because it, more than anything but climate change policy,

will do the most to improve the lives of Americans.

[Bettie]

134. I know several people whose

lives would be utterly changed by 1,000 a month. Being able to afford rent and food on their minimum wage jobs.

[redqueen]

157. It's an immediate $6.25/ hour raise for everyone who's not in jail

whether they're working or not.

[Bettie]

160. Iowa's minimum wage is still

set at the federal rate of 7.25 per hour.

[emmaverybo]

144. For everyone? Some people don't need it. Plain and simple. And many need much more.

[redqueen]

156. I agree with Steyer about Trump hammering on the economy.

So I agree with Yang hammering on 78% of us living paycheck to paycheck, and how best to help this group.

Yes, some people need more. We need to address that too. But as I've said elsewhere, I see Yang's plan as the one most likely to help the most number of Americans the fastest.

[emmaverybo]

161. All for giving it to people who need. And to EMS in need, social services, social security, rural

hospitals etc. reparations fine with me. But not to people who do not need it.

[redqueen]

164. Making it universal is the only way to pass it and make it less likely to be cut / killed.

It's not stigmatizing social assistance - it's every American citizens birthright as a shareholder in the strongest economy in the world.

[emmaverybo]

169. OK. Makes sense. IF Yang gets elected, he can lobby for it. Novel. Doubt it's going to happen ,but

then who knew, the internet.

[tishaLA]

59. Sen Warren is IMO the best candidate when discussing race

and seeing it holistically

[PatSeg]

73. She's really sharp

Hasn't gotten enough time.

[lunasun]

79. Exactly !

[fishwax]

92. I agree n/t

[nolabear]

65. Okay what is Steyer talking about?

[tblue37]

101. Who is Steyer referring to talking to Joe, and what racist comment? I am very hearing impaired,

and closed captioning didn't catch what he said.

[nolabear]

119. Here.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/black-lawmakers-demand-biden-disavow-surrogate-s-racist-comments-n1131531

[tblue37]

138. Thanks. nt

[calguy]

66. Steger just said he supports reparations

Total non starter.

[nolabear]

70. What was that call-out? It was a cheap shot.

[democrattotheend]

115. For slavery?

How would that work? Reparations should have happened after the Civil War, but how would you possibly administer such a program now? Nobody alive today was a slave in the US, at least not legally, and nobody alive today owned slaves. How would you figure out who is entitled to reparations, and who would pay for it? I don't believe the great great grandchildren of slaveowners should have to pay for the sins of their ancestors, and many non-black families in the US, especially religious minorities like Jews and Italians and Irish, didn't even have ancestors in the US when slavery was still legal. And would African Americans like Obama (theoretically) be entitled to reparations even though their ancestors were not in the US in the 1800's?

[BootinUp]

69. This debate just took a somewhat destructive turn

Warrens answer regarding Pete was nonsense for example.

[JudyM]

75. Sounded like she was broadening what he was saying, not clear why she disagreed.

[Celerity]

80. looking for Wine Cave 2.0 nt

[JudyM]

71. Sanders - end private prisons and detention centers, invest in education instead of incarceration.

200,000 people are in jail right now because they can’t afford bail, that needs to end.

[nolabear]

76. Jesus, Steyer. I admit I don't know what he's on about but

it smacks of a gotcha in a matter he’s not part of. Join with me?

[squirecam]

84. The context

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/black-lawmakers-demand-biden-disavow-surrogate-s-racist-comments-n1131531

[nolabear]

99. Thanks. So it's a conflict between the two campaigns.

Sounds like Steyer is trying to drive a wedge

[MustLoveBeagles]

114. Thank you for the link

[highplainsdem]

128. I don't think Harpootlian's comments were racist. He was commenting on someone who

switched from supporting Biden to Steyer, and who'd been given a fairly large sum of money by Steyer.

[PatSeg]

93. I had no idea what he was talking about either

[redqueen]

77. Yang is right - his policies do the most to help minorities.

Money talks. Direct cash assistance. An infusion of cash to every black, Latino, Native American community would do more to change this country than any other policy.

[helpisontheway]

81. What is Steyer talking about? What did the person in his campaign say to a Steyer campaign employee?

[Politicub]

89. I'm googling away to figure it out myself

First I’ve heard about it.

[squirecam]

94. The context

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/black-lawmakers-demand-biden-disavow-surrogate-s-racist-comments-n1131531

[helpisontheway]

152. Thank you. Nt

[BeyondGeography]

83. Bernie hiding behind his surrogates again

It’s one of the worst things he does. Is he going to chew Nina Turner out now? Nah.

[questionseverything]

85. i do not understand biden wanting to keep mj illegal

now he is saying, 3 months mandatory treatment for pot?

he is just not connected on this

[zackymilly]

88. Reefer Madness

[questionseverything]

96. he terrifies me

he acts like 3 months away from your job,family,friends is nothing

[cwydro]

110. Please tell me you're kidding?

I’m not watching - did he really say that?

[questionseverything]

123. he is saying it like, instead of putting them in jail...put them in treatment

it is his alternative to legalization

[cwydro]

130. Wow.

Not good.

Not at all.

[Midnightwalk]

147. That's not good

I’ll have to listen layer. States continue to legalize.

If he can’t get reefer madness out of his head at least leave it to states.

Federal laws make it difficult but at least we’d muddle through with status quo. Ugh.

[questionseverything]

150. well by leaving it illegal at the federal level

peops in subsidized housing cant use it

peops wanting student loans cant use

peops on probation cant use

it makes 2 sets of rules, one for the wealthy and another for the poor, that's my problem with addressing ti at states level

[Midnightwalk]

151. Oh I agree I don't like keeping it illegal at all

just meant there was a less horrible answer. 3 months therapy sounds worse than status quo.

[questionseverything]

154. ikr

maybe he was mixing mj up with harder drugs, he rambles sometimes and it is hard to keep what he is talking about straight


well yes 3 months of therapy would be foolish for mj, your job be gone,house be gone, car be gone ….he just doesn't understand regular peops gotta work

[phleshdef]

153. He was talking about opiods.

He has already started "evolving" on weed.

[questionseverything]

155. he needs to "evolve"

im not sure the super tough approach on opiods is much better, most peops get started on them because they are in pain from some medical thing they can't afford to take care of

I will try and read transcript later....he is hard to follow sometimes

[phleshdef]

163. All the candidates said "treatment, not jail"

[Laura PourMeADrink]

86. These questioners are SO much better than the big stars. Their

Questions aren't gotchas

[tishaLA]

87. BS refuses to stand up for one of his most prominent staffers

The moderator left him off the hook too easily however.

[marlakay]

91. I feel like blacks and other races

Need respect and support from all of us all the time.

Does it bother anyone else how all the candidates are kissing up during the campaign?

I am more likely to look at what they have already done. Wow...Liz is talking right now what I am feeling.

[zackymilly]

98. No one up there seems to understand racial problems more than Liz. n/t

[JudyM]

104. She made an excellent point, and made it well.

Action speaks louder than words for fixing systemic racism.

[Funtatlaguy]

95. I love my party and my candidates! Very Proud Dem tonight.

[DesertRat]

97. Steyer: "Listen, I started a bank..."

[Kingofalldems]

100. How is Joe doing?

[PatSeg]

111. Really good

Best debate performance yet!

[nolabear]

112. Well. I'd say Steyer and Yang are fading

but all the others are doing well. Warren isn’t getting as much as she should. Amy is really good but not enough time. Pete is losing a bit. All that said though it’s a strong debate with good questions. Joe is doing well.

[highplainsdem]

102. Really wish Warren hadn't suggested the Democratic Party cares about black voters only at

election time.

We can always do better on all issues, but her opening sentence in her response there could be used by the GOP for an attack ad on Democrats.

[marlakay]

108. Actually its been bugging me all week

Better that she got it out in the open than to have them bring it out.

[fishwax]

109. yeah, I agree. I just got done agreeing that she does a great job speaking about issues of race, and

then she goes and frames her answer that way.

[squirecam]

132. I didn't like it either

especially when the NV women said they felt like token black supporters and were ignored.

[UniteFightBack]

117. A lot of people perpetuate that lie. Black people are part of the fabric of our party...just look

at our elected officials for proof.

[Celerity]

136. +100000

[Cha]

142. omg.. why would she even say that?!

[krissey]

162. Because Warren has been listening to the black community and they have been saying this repeatedly

That Democrats only pay attention to them during election. I have heard it myself.

[Cha]

165. That's just sad to knock all Dems for only caring

about them during elections.

The Dems are on our Front Lines Fighting Against the Treasonous Fascist, and his toady enablers in Congress, for our POC and all Americans.

I know VP Joe Biden Cares about our POC Community all the time. That's one of the things that endears him to me.

[krissey]

167. It has been a hard conversation for a while, but it is repeated from the community.

I wouldn't phrase the answer that way and we need to get past this feeling, or belief. But, it is out there and being said. Warren has staked a lot listening to the POC community and holding true. This is what the community says.

I know Obama certainly cared, right?

[Cha]

168. Yes, of course, President Obama cared and cares..

WE ARE OUR BROTHER'S KEEPER

https://www.obama.org/mbka/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI6v3qt4_B5wIVAtVkCh3bJwUIEAAYASAAEgKDVPD_BwE

[emmaverybo]

148. Unfortunately opened the door there cause this really does apply to some of the candidates. Not

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naming names. Just that for some of them, AA voters’ issues and building relationships in communities and with leaders has not been on the radar. Policy issues crowding all that out.

[Cha]

166. Oh yeah.. right. :(

[tishaLA]

105. The great Nikole Hannah Jones

Link to tweet

[lunasun]

106. Steyer I agree if the whole country does not acknowledge our complete history how can we heal?

[squirecam]

107. Yangs every answer is $1000

That won’t cut it.

[PatSeg]

116. I know

One trick pony! Its getting a little old already.

[awesomerwb1]

122. Make it 10k

And then we can talk

[PatSeg]

129. Ha, ha!!!

[emmaverybo]

149. Monthly for mine, please. LOL

[redqueen]

159. I think Steyer is right than Trump is going to hammer on the booming economy as a talking point

so I agree with Yang constantly hammering on the fact that 78% of us live paycheck to paycheck, and the best, fastest to change that.

[JudyM]

113. Ooh Liz. Billionaires shouldn't be able to buy their way into the presidency and "people who suck up

to billionaires” shouldn’t either.

[squirecam]

124. Bernie attacks him by name

Lol

[squirecam]

118. Warren goes after Pete but not by name on sucking up to billionaires

She draws some murmurs/boos/discomfort

Amy talks about background and citizens united. Doesn’t make it personal.

[mvd]

121. As usual, liking Bernie and Elizabeth

My heart is with Bernie. But I think Warren could be a unity candidate - appeals to people like my mom who voted for Hillary and Bernie supporters like me. I would be happy with either candidate.

[marlakay]

135. I like them both to

Would be happy either one.

[livetohike]

125. Go Amy!! Good answer getting her background in there

(Regarding money in politics).

[squirecam]

127. Yes

She didn’t make it personal as Warren and Sanders did.

[livetohike]

133. Right. Very impressed with how she is doing tonight. n/t

[nolabear]

126. Ruh-roh. Bernie calls Pete out by his name.

Could get interesting.

[zackymilly]

131. Pete hitting back.

[maximusveritas]

140. Pete with the smart reasoned response. Bernie just demagoging

[squirecam]

141. Pete could have done better on that answer

Nt

[squirecam]

137. Climate change question to Bernie

Bernie says N.H. senators were wrong on trade deal.

Amy defends them. Says best way to deal with climate change is (she gives substantial list)

Warren also defends trade deal - it made things somewhat better.

Steyer defends Bernie.

[BootinUp]

139. Pete's absolutely right about how to campaign

And beat Trump.

[JudyM]

143. This won't be popular here but

I think Sanders is coming across as the most broadly knowledgeable and explaining things well.
Liz is right up there with him. It’s the best performance she’s ever given.

[MustLoveBeagles]

145. I started Debate thread #4

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287487682

[zackymilly]

146. Biden and Yang don't seem to be getting as many questions. nt