The Trumpists Boosting Bernie Sanders Might Get What They Wish for--and Regret It

[OliverQ]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-trumpists-boosting-bernie-sanders-might-get-what-they-wish-for-and-regret-it

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1. We'll all regret it if they get what they wish for.

[OliverQ]

2. No we won't.

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3. True. If you want Filthy Donnie reelected you won't regret it.

[OliverQ]

4. There is absolutely no evidence Bernie would lose to Trump.

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5. Right. That's why Filthy Donnie's followers are supporting BS. Makes total sense.

[OliverQ]

7. They're supporting him because they know they'll get your kind of reaction.

"Omg, Trump supporters are backing Bernie, that means we have to ditch him and go with a moderate!"

Hillary tried the same tactic - she thought Trump would be the easiest to beat and wanted him over a Jeb Bush type. How did that work out?

Even Trump said on his secret recording with Lev Parnas he was afraid of going against Bernie.

Trump would love to face Biden. Why? Because Lindsey Graham just announced today that Giuliani is sending tons of Russian propaganda fabricated against Biden to Bill Barr to be used against Biden if he wins the nomination.

[Demsrule86]

11. Trump got impeached because he went after Biden...you surely can figure this out...and now he

showing Bernie love...so sad for Bernie about how mean the DNC is etc. (gag)

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12. Um... no. They're supporting him because he'd be easiest to beat.

And please, would you guys PLEASE stop misquoting that comment from Parnas. You know Filthy Donnie wasn't saying he was afraid of going against BS. He was afraid Hillary with BS as the vice presidential candidate.

You guys know this. Stop the gaslighting.

[OliverQ]

15. If Trump supporters think Bernie is the easiest

that means Bernie will win, because Trump supporters are morons.

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16. Kay. You go ahead and bet your life on that "opposites day" assumption. I don't think I will.

[redstateblues]

18. The US will elect a sociopath before it elects a Socialist

[OliverQ]

19. Bernie has all the young voters.

Trump has all the boomers. Without the young voters, you're not going to win this election.

[Mad cow]

29. Well, we have the sociopath now

So I guess the socialist is up next.

It makes about as much sense as taking Steve Schmidt's hot take as gospel...uttered while he was propping up Howard Schultz.

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6. And visa versa as well. Socialism is a tough sell for America.

[OliverQ]

8. It's really not.

Bernie actually polls higher if polls list him as a Socialist instead of a Democrat. Wisconsin has a long history of Socialism and Bernie is beating Trump in a head to head matchup.

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14. We've been through this before. Too many in the coutr won't vote for a socialist.

Seems there is history you're not aware of.

Two generations (maybe a generation and a half—boomers and many GenXers) where schooled to fear commies/reds/the USSR, Red China, the domino theory, failed communist collectives, socialists, etc. Many still believe that and they make up quite a large swathe of voters.

I know many who are younger (the 18-35-year-olds you speak of) say that the stigma against socialism has lessened considerably but that may just be among their cohort. There are still millions, millions of voters who detest socialism and that large swathe of voters is not going to vote for Sanders if he gets the nomination—and among those voters, you can bet, are many Democrats, not to mention independents and never-trump republicans, all of whom we need to defeat trump in November.

Do we really want to take the chance that younger voters, who just don't vote as heavily as older ones, will make up for the millions who detest socialism and things imagined about it in their minds?

That's not a good bet. Let's make the election a referendum on trump's criminality, not one on socialism and Sanders.

[OliverQ]

17. And how are you supposed to make the election

referendum on Trump's corruption with Biden considering the treasure trove of dirt Republicans are fabricating with help from Russia to be used against him?

We tried the Centrist candidate with scandals in 2016. It didn't go well if you recall.

[redstateblues]

21. America will not elect a Socialist. How well did the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics work?

And then there’s the Honeymoon in Moscow. Lots more

[OliverQ]

24. Do you not know the difference between Democratic Socialists and Communists?

The USSR was Communist. Bernie is no where even remotely close to that. And most of America doesn't give a crap about the Socialism label. Boomers may be bothered by it, but they're all voting for Trump anyway.

Polls have shown that being labeled a Democrat actually hurts a candidate more than being labeled a Socialist.

[redstateblues]

38. Who said Communist? Show me your " polls" that say a majority of Americans are

Ok with Socialism. America will elect a sociopath before it elects a Socialist.

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23. Try the no-witness impeacment trial. And Biden might not be the nominee.

It won't be a socialist though. As I said, there are too man voters wo won't vote for one.

[OliverQ]

26. You do not know that.

Republicans love Socialism. Look at the Farm bailouts. Look at Alaska. A good chunk of Alaska residents' yearly pay is due to Socialism.

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31. Seriously? Repugs love socialism? That's laugable. Even if they did they wouldn't...

vote for a democratic socialist.

You're trying too hard. But in any case, oppo reseach for repugs will be easy. The won't have to try hard at all as I found that "I am a socialist" video of Sanders in one minute on Youtube.

[OliverQ]

32. Oppo research against Biden will be even easier. They already have it.

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37. You do know Biden did nothing wrong, right? Or are you already falling or false Gouliani crap?

Or maybe...h-u-u-u-u-h?...there are a lot of Russian bots and trolls about trying to sabotage our election by pushing Sanders.

[blue cat]

34. The few democratic that I know

Who are not into politics but always vote have said that they would never vote for a socialist no matter what so Bernie does scare me.

[redstateblues]

39. My spouse hates Trump with a passion but she won't vote for A Socialist

If nominated. I know some other Dems that won’t vote vote for a Socialist. The brand is toxic

[Demsrule86]

9. That is why Trump supporters are fucking with our primaries to vote for Sanders...

pretty much proof...they will vote for Trump in a general...and destroy Sanders...However, I think we still get either Biden or Bloomberg...and hopefully we can win. Sanders will never be my choice in any primary...at the point I turn of the TV if he is on...I vote for him only in a general...don't think he makes it there though.

[OliverQ]

10. And Biden will never get my vote in the primary

because Giuliani is currently shipping tons of Russian propaganda to Bill Barr to be used against Biden in the General. It will be her emails all over again.

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13. "Her emails" would not have won the election if it hadn't been for Stein voters and

voters who stayed home and the obvious divisions at the convention.

So maybe that is the lesson we should be learning.

[Demsrule86]

25. Since Biden did nothing...I doubt it will matter...but the Sanders shit that the GOP have been

waiting to use will stick...and maybe we lose the house. However, all is not lost. Bloomberg can beat Bernie in the primary and Trump in the general...Bloomberg will have my vote should Biden or your supposed (Warren) candidate falter.

[OliverQ]

27. Hillary did nothing wrong either. Investigations cleared her like 4 times.

Uranium One was a proven lie. Pizzagate was a proven conspiracy. Republicans were responsible for Benghazi, not Hillary. All of that hurt her and it was all fake.

[Demsrule86]

35. That is untrue...the private server was whatwas used with Comey ET AL...and she wasn't

supposed to use it...although many did....it was a ruse but still not something she was supposed to do...different rules for her of course. I am speaking of the General not the primary by the way. Hillary was not supported sufficiently in the primary by Sanders either IMHO. But the Biden stuff is already out there. The GOP are waiting to pounce until as they hope Sanders wins the nomination...which I hope never happens as we may lose the house and the presidency...sure he has my vote...but I think Trump gets four more years.

The reason I think this is true is that this is a center left at best country...and while Sanders many win a primary... he won't win a general. And before you ask...the mid term where moderates flipped house seats provide compelling evidence.

[redstateblues]

40. Some Bernie folks forgot how we won back the House

It was not going hard left. None of the “Our Revolution” candidates won

[Demsrule86]

41. That is right...we need a perceived moderate as our candidate.

[TexasTowelie]

42. And conversely,

there is absolutely no evidence that Bernie would defeat Trump.

[HarlanPepper]

20. Are you for Warren?

[OliverQ]

22. Yes atm, but I don't think she's going to win.

I'm ultimately undecided overall because frankly it seems like any Dem is going to struggle against Trump's cult.

[HarlanPepper]

43. I asked because you never post anything about her. Only Bernie.

Seems like you’re for Bernie pretty solidly.

[OliverQ]

44. I'm not necessarily. I still like Warren better

but lately I've realized she has a slim shot and while I don't ultimately know who can beat Trump, I don't like most of the Centrists.

[samnsara]

28. bernie wont be the nom...but joe may not be either.....so trump* got himself impeached..

...for nothin'....

[7wo7rees]

30. I'll just leave this here...

[booley]

33. Remember when Trump challenged Sanders to a Debate?

Trump challenged Bernie Sanders to a Debate
And Sanders called his bluff. He said yes

Immediately Trump backed out.

Even before the audio leaked of Trump saying he was afraid of Sanders, that told me Trump didn't want to face Sanders. Trump's usual bag of tricks doesn't work.

As for S Carolina, personally I doubt it will happen. Conspiracies are much harder to pull off when you need literally thousands of co-conspirators to pull them off.

[Scurrilous]

36. Bernie Brings the Regret.

Ask Tom Perez.