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Legends303

(481 posts)
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:01 PM Feb 2020

A number of reasons why Joe did bad in IA and NH but.....

I think that hurt him the most was the impeachment fight. I think voters are seeing the candidates with less baggage has a real chance of winning. Hunter Biden sitting on the board of Brishisma with no experience is seen as corruption in many voters eyes. They think Trump will probably gain advantage off of that and be seen as the anti corruption candidate. I think given the email nonsense from 2016 may have cost Clinton because it was seen as corruption and they don't want a repeat of 2016 with Biden this time. Just my thoughts on things.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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A number of reasons why Joe did bad in IA and NH but..... (Original Post) Legends303 Feb 2020 OP
I think you have a point. katmondoo Feb 2020 #1
I think you're right, but "lying dog-face pony soldier" over the weekend BusyBeingBest Feb 2020 #2
It seems like maybe he was waiting to use that one and let it loose on the young lady. CentralMass Feb 2020 #6
Ya think?! MoonRiver Feb 2020 #10
IMO, It has to do more with the weird shit that he keeps saying relayerbob Feb 2020 #3
He's always been like this. In 08 I thought he was weird. Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 #15
Unfortuantely relayerbob Feb 2020 #16
Advisors cherryinpa Feb 2020 #4
" Hunter Biden sitting on the board of Brishisma" LexVegas Feb 2020 #5
Right???! Wtf Docreed2003 Feb 2020 #7
That was fucking painful to read. Seriously ChubbyStar Feb 2020 #14
Spellcheck optimized for Cyrillic. Codeine Feb 2020 #21
Anecdotal, but here might be another reason. Indepatriot Feb 2020 #8
Yes I believe that is pretty true. judeling Feb 2020 #9
There were 4 regional or neighbor candidates running in IA and NH and all four ... uponit7771 Feb 2020 #11
I think Biden's original polling lead was based largely on name recognition and familiarity. Midnight Writer Feb 2020 #12
I don't think so. Biden has never been a good presidential candidate. Garrett78 Feb 2020 #13
No. lol Trump is crooked and Americans know this. Biden is a patriot rockfordfile Feb 2020 #17
Difficult to sustain as frontrunner when you're not extra special Awsi Dooger Feb 2020 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Feb 2020 #19
I fear that Trump's months' long slander against the Bidens may have worked....... northoftheborder Feb 2020 #20
 

katmondoo

(6,524 posts)
1. I think you have a point.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:05 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BusyBeingBest

(9,173 posts)
2. I think you're right, but "lying dog-face pony soldier" over the weekend
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:10 PM
Feb 2020

probably caused a number of people to break away from him at the last minute. Not because it was all that offensive, but because it was a weird and inappropriate moment.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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CentralMass

(16,971 posts)
6. It seems like maybe he was waiting to use that one and let it loose on the young lady.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:17 PM
Feb 2020

It might have played better against a trumper.

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MoonRiver

(36,975 posts)
10. Ya think?!
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:28 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

relayerbob

(7,428 posts)
3. IMO, It has to do more with the weird shit that he keeps saying
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:12 PM
Feb 2020

He sounds like a relic from the past.

So do some of the other leading contenders.

We need new leadership.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
15. He's always been like this. In 08 I thought he was weird.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 04:25 PM
Feb 2020

Total gaffe machine back then and still one now.

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relayerbob

(7,428 posts)
16. Unfortuantely
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 04:31 PM
Feb 2020

Someone sounding like a skipping LP from 1968 isn't much better.

We need new leadership

If I were to vote in a presidential
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cherryinpa

(301 posts)
4. Advisors
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:14 PM
Feb 2020

Frankly I'm doubting he's getting the best advice on a lot of things.

Why the low-key approach so far?

Why the sudden attack on Pete?

Why leave NH on primary day suddenly?

None of this is making sense to me now.

I though Joe would come in #1 or #2 in NH, but then he leaves in the middle of the day. Who is guiding him is my question.

And why is everyone who supported him now seems to be drifting to a Republican Billionairre ... we haven't even got to SC yet and you're moving your chips onto a Republican Billionairre.

Maybe things are too complex for me now.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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LexVegas

(6,959 posts)
5. " Hunter Biden sitting on the board of Brishisma"
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:15 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Docreed2003

(18,714 posts)
7. Right???! Wtf
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:20 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ChubbyStar

(3,191 posts)
14. That was fucking painful to read. Seriously
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 03:55 PM
Feb 2020

the board of Brishisma? I will just leave it there.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
21. Spellcheck optimized for Cyrillic.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 08:00 PM
Feb 2020

Plays hell with communication, tovarich.

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Indepatriot

(1,253 posts)
8. Anecdotal, but here might be another reason.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:24 PM
Feb 2020

I'm a home visiting Physical Therapist, working in Los Angeles. I have a lot of elderly African American patients, and though I avoid talking politics on the job, I recently had a 72 year-old black woman from Compton ask me who I am supporting. I told her I support Bernie, but that I liked Warren as well, and would support her as well. This led to a short discussion about the other candidates, and when Biden came up she said " He's got nothing other than "I'm friends with Barack Obama", if he thinks that's all he needs to get black votes he's a damn fool", at which point her brother, sitting in the other room, yelled "Preach!" I can't argue their point....They are both supporting Warren but said they'd be happy with backing Bernie if he gets the nod.

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judeling

(1,086 posts)
9. Yes I believe that is pretty true.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:26 PM
Feb 2020

but it also hurt all the senators also.

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uponit7771

(93,532 posts)
11. There were 4 regional or neighbor candidates running in IA and NH and all four ...
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:30 PM
Feb 2020

... placed 1 - 4

I wouldn't have spent a thin amount of resources in those areas either seeing they are not WTA.

Spend the resources shoring up a better representative races and a more representative demographic.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Midnight Writer

(25,409 posts)
12. I think Biden's original polling lead was based largely on name recognition and familiarity.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 03:43 PM
Feb 2020

As the other candidates got exposure and made their cases, his soft supporters peeled away.

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Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
13. I don't think so. Biden has never been a good presidential candidate.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 03:48 PM
Feb 2020

He's doing better this year than he did in his previous attempts to get nominated, but I always viewed him as a very weak frontrunner with collapse all but inevitable.

Biden's baggage goes back much further than impeachment. To this day, Anita Hill thinks he owes the nation an apology. There's also the bankruptcy bill and more. And Biden has a long history of gaffes (no, not stuttering, but saying really stupid shit).

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

rockfordfile

(8,742 posts)
17. No. lol Trump is crooked and Americans know this. Biden is a patriot
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 04:33 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
18. Difficult to sustain as frontrunner when you're not extra special
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 04:41 PM
Feb 2020

I really like Joe Biden. I don't want to say anything negative. I've always doubted he'd be the nominee, simply because I thought of that Bob Dole comparison so quickly and easily, and I can't imagine the party going that route, not amidst the passion to evict Trump.

Joe Biden's best chance would have been 2016 if Sanders had not entered the race. I realize that's multiple changeups from how it played out. If Biden had decided to contest Hillary and Sanders had not screwed up the perspective and the distribution, then the pro-Obama and anti-Hillary forces in the party -- largely one in the same -- might have narrowly given the nod to Biden. If so, I have little doubt he would have defeated Trump.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to Legends303 (Original post)

 

northoftheborder

(7,637 posts)
20. I fear that Trump's months' long slander against the Bidens may have worked.......
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 06:42 PM
Feb 2020

....unfortunately. I like Biden, think he is a decent man, and a smart, dedicated politician. He always has had gaffes, and still does. I was shocked that he came in so far down the line in New Hampshire. He's been on my favorite list from the first, although I have chosen others to root for at this time.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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