Democratic Primaries

PTWB

(4,131 posts) Sun Mar 1, 2020, 12:43 PM Mar 2020

Hillary was a more formidable candidate than Joe Biden.

Hillary was (and is) smarter, far more politically savvy, less prone to making gaffes, more in touch, was full of good policy ideas and had a wider appeal than Joe Biden.

Hillary couldn’t beat Trump. What makes any of you think that Joe Biden will do better than Hillary Clinton?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Hillary was a more formidable candidate than Joe Biden. (Original Post) PTWB Mar 2020 OP

Hillary was hated by the right. squirecam Mar 2020 #1

Hillary was much more disliked and much less relatable. Biden will be fine. eom tarheelsunc Mar 2020 #2

Hillary had a fanatical fanbase. PTWB Mar 2020 #3

"Had?" JudyM Mar 2020 #8

Hillary was maligned and smeared by some of our own NYMinute Mar 2020 #4

Likability. IluvPitties Mar 2020 #5

Because no one is going to buy Republican/Russian/Green Party shit this time around. W_HAMILTON Mar 2020 #6

Bernie couldn't beat Hillary. William769 Mar 2020 #7

I don't think so. On paper she was stronger than Obama and she was beaten SiliconValley_Dem Mar 2020 #9

Yes but her negatives were WAY higher budkin Mar 2020 #10

I agree with part of your assessment. potone Mar 2020 #11

Joe has something not many politicians have. tman Mar 2020 #12

squirecam

(2,706 posts)

1. Hillary was hated by the right.

Reply to PTWB (Original post)

Sun Mar 1, 2020, 12:45 PM

Mar 2020

She still got more votes.

As to why Biden can win, see the moderates taking the house in 2018.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

tarheelsunc

(2,117 posts)

2. Hillary was much more disliked and much less relatable. Biden will be fine. eom

Reply to PTWB (Original post)

Sun Mar 1, 2020, 12:46 PM

Mar 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

PTWB

(4,131 posts)

3. Hillary had a fanatical fanbase.

Reply to tarheelsunc (Reply #2)

Mon Mar 2, 2020, 12:21 AM

Mar 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

JudyM

(29,225 posts)

8. "Had?"

Reply to PTWB (Reply #3)

Mon Mar 2, 2020, 12:44 AM

Mar 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

NYMinute

(3,256 posts)

4. Hillary was maligned and smeared by some of our own

Reply to PTWB (Original post)

Mon Mar 2, 2020, 12:24 AM

Mar 2020

She was the most admired woman in 2015

Then in 2016, she was labeled corrupt by some

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

IluvPitties

(3,181 posts)

5. Likability.

Reply to PTWB (Original post)

Mon Mar 2, 2020, 12:25 AM

Mar 2020

Hillary had been vilified by the right since 1992. Biden is well liked across the board.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

W_HAMILTON

(7,849 posts)

6. Because no one is going to buy Republican/Russian/Green Party shit this time around.

Reply to PTWB (Original post)

Mon Mar 2, 2020, 12:26 AM

Mar 2020

They shouldn't have bought their shit last time around, but alas, here we are.

In case you forgot, there have been elections since 2016. And in 2018, the Joe Biden/Hillary Clinton types were the ones flipping seats and winning back the House on the back of the greatest voter turnout for a midterm in around a century.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

William769

(55,144 posts)

7. Bernie couldn't beat Hillary.

Reply to PTWB (Original post)

Mon Mar 2, 2020, 12:29 AM

Mar 2020

So what's your point?

P.S & Warren so far this primary, well we won't go there.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

SiliconValley_Dem

(1,656 posts)

9. I don't think so. On paper she was stronger than Obama and she was beaten

Reply to PTWB (Original post)

Mon Mar 2, 2020, 12:58 AM

Mar 2020

On paper, she was stronger than Trump but she started wasting time and money in Arizona and other red states rather than concentrate in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Ohio.

Biden, no matter his flaws, connects viscerally with white working class Dems, African American Dems and independents. If he gets past Sanders, he will steam roll Trump on the electoral map.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

budkin

(6,699 posts)

10. Yes but her negatives were WAY higher

Reply to PTWB (Original post)

Mon Mar 2, 2020, 01:01 AM

Mar 2020

Not even close.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

potone

(1,701 posts)

11. I agree with part of your assessment.

Reply to PTWB (Original post)

Mon Mar 2, 2020, 01:14 AM

Mar 2020

She is much more intelligent than Biden, but she suffered from the cumulative effect of years of vicious criticism, and misogyny. But here is the thing: I am very worried about Biden winning, because I think he is suffering from cognitive decline. If people want someone to the right of Bernie, why don’t they support Amy? She is smart, competent, and effective.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

tman

(983 posts)

12. Joe has something not many politicians have.

Reply to PTWB (Original post)

Mon Mar 2, 2020, 01:18 AM

Mar 2020

authenticity, in abundance.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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