Bernie needs to earn a win just like everyone else. He's not entitled and it's not his turn --

[pnwmom]

despite what he and some of his team seem to think.

If other candidates who drop out prefer someone other than him, it's not a conspiracy to deny him his rightful place as Presidential nominee. It's a natural consequence of policies more extreme than most other candidates, and the oppositional stance he's long taken vis a vis the party.

Why is this so hard to understand?

[vercetti2021]

1. Because his supporters for the most part act like entitled brats

I was watching Beto's live feed when he came out to endorse Biden and some of the people there are just disgusting. Calling Beto a sell-out and regretting that they ever voted for him the Texas Senate race in 2018.

I just want them to go the fuck away after this is done.

[William769]

4. +1

[dalton99a]

5. They do that to anyone who dares to disagree with Bernie

It's a freakin' cult

[vercetti2021]

6. Going back to what I said in a post the other day

How are they any different from MAGAts? They've adopted trumpism

[vercetti2021]

13. A percentage of his base acts like it

From my own experience with BernBros

[Rilgin]

16. So offended that someone calls someone a sell out while you call people "entitled brats".

Think about it. You do know that calling someone entiled brats is an insult? Over and over we read that Sanders is a bad leader cause he can not control his supporters from insulting others.

Do you think Joe Biden is a bad leader because he has not stopped you from calling others names? If you want to complain about others mud slinging, stop slinging it yourself.

[druidity33]

20. Hear here dammit! nt.

[treestar]

21. We're not Jesus

If we get called "Establishment" (which we know is meant as an insult) - we might not be able to resist turning the tables, rather than turning the other cheek.

[IADEMO2004]

26. "Establishment" AKA Long time majority of Democrats fighting repubicans for years.

[treestar]

34. +1

[Rilgin]

39. Maybe the Acting out Bernie supporters feel the same

I understand precisely. Emotions are high and one can always find aomething that can offend. However consider that in this case it may be a vicious reactive circle on both sides rather than just one side reactin


The best thing for us is not to feed the circle by both reacting and thinking there is not also reasons on the other side.

[Cha]

2. KR

[msongs]

3. he will do ok tomorrow. that's just one day but the coronation has been put on hold nt

[brush]

7. Yep, he's been alienating many in the party for years...

now he wants favors from them.

How to win friends and influence people—not.

[NotHardly]

11. Bernie is a part-time Democrat, only part he wants is to be elected, he'll change stripes again

[brush]

23. Exactly.

[BlueMTexpat]

8. And it is also not his due

to insist that the best candidate still in the race drop out!

[kwenu]

10. It's eerily Trump-like. Another perpetually aggrieved power hungry old white man

Have you noticed that Biden doesn't whine about himself. He remains positive despite a lifetime of REAL tragedy.

The man is at least thankful.

[RandySF]

12. I don't think this really applies on DU

The Sanders supporters I've seen day in and day in and day out over the years understand and respect the election process. But there are a lot of people out there who believe their candidates should be handed everything they want without going out and earning it. And U wukk give every member of the Squad (AOC, Ilhan Omar and Ayana Pressley) their due as they worked their asses off for their seats in Congress.

[Paka]

15. +1

Thank You!

[Paka]

14. I'm a "Bernie Bro" and I resent the negativity attached to that term.

Yes, we are enthusiastic because, like all of you, we believe in "our" candidate (Not ME but US). And to my best recollection, he has won a couple of primaries. I believe Nevada was a rather solid win.

What is hard to understand is the universal hatred for him. I don't hate your candidate, I just don't agree with the agenda that he/she puts forth. I may be an old geezer ready for the final trip off Planet Earth, but I trust the new generation to know what they want to accomplish. My time is over, just like Bernie, but like him, I have been fighting for the same values all my life.

We have a chance to turn things arround. We need to go forward, not backward. We need a revolution!!

[Rilgin]

17. There is a lot of projection going on at DU

I certainly believe at other sites there are Bernie supporters who bad mouth other supporters and candidates. Here it is exactly the opposite. The mud slinging does not bother me as much as some of the hypocrisy. A post will totally insult Bernie, specific but unnamed supporters and by implication all Bernie supporters as stupid or naïve and then base that conclusion on others insulting their candidate. The answer is if you if you want to complain about others mud slinging, stop slinging it yourself. On this site it is pretty one directional against Bernie. On others I am sure it goes the other way.

Emotions erupt during the Primaries. It is just too bad that people can not give credence to what you wrote that people who want Bernie have the same intellect, concerns and care in their decisions as they do in supporting another candidate.

We are still in the primaries. Perhaps Biden will win, perhaps Bernie but supporting Bernie is not disunifying nor is the fact that Pete and Amy dropped out saving and unifying the Democratic Party. It is 2 candidates dropping out reducing the field and probably unifying one wing of a party....NOT THE PARTY … which has at least 2 wings. It is offensive to say that just cause moderates are now counting on Biden to represent them that this will save and unify the Democratic Party to those who want a different candidate.

[Paka]

19. Thank you for that thoughtful and civil response.

I know I'm emotional for the candidate I back, but I have been targeted and bullied here simply for my support of Bernie and it's not fun.

[RobertDevereaux]

28. Let me add my thanks for what you've said here. So added!

[dualboy24]

32. Very well written

The general vibe of DU is very negative to Bernie supporters, probably there are so few here. I would say that in other fourms that are more pro Sanders, I don't really see many negative things said about Joe, other than he is going to most likely cause a loss to Trump. Just as on this forum they say Sanders will be a loss to Trump.

Personally I hope the party can unify around the nominee, and heal this divide long before the general.

A two party system suffers from the fact that there really are a lot of view points, and the Democrats have to get along with the progressive side, and the more centrist side.

[treestar]

22. We're starting to resent the attacks on our party

that come from Bernie, and the sense of entitlement. That the process we have for picking a Presidential nominee is not fair unless Bernie wins. That the DNC is doing nefarious things that are meant to make Bernie lose. That we and the candidates we support are corrupt.

[brush]

24. We're progressive too and like his policies for the most part. We are...

full-time Democrats however and don't like how he uses the party, attacks the party constantly and will leave the party again after he has used us again.

What is hard to understand about that? If you had a friend like that you'd ditch him in a minute.

And also, we don't like how this grown-ass man, who has lived in this country all his life, can so misread the nation and mislead his supporters into thinking that this country will elect a socialist—especially now when there is no economic downturn. It's just not going to happen. The naivete is stunning.

[NYMinute]

30. My experience differs

Once I had to change my seat in a plane when a Bernie supporter in the next seat went off on me after seeing my Biden tee shirt.

I was once mobbed in a starbucks by several college-age "enthusiastic" supporters for the same reason.

Enthusiasm should never equal bullying.

[squirecam]

33. Why I don't like Bernie

25% is his policy positions.
25% is his personality.
25% is his campaign, the surrogates and staff he hired and decisions made.

All of that is enough for him to be last on my list. But the last 25% is the online harassment I see from supporters. The snake and rat twitter stuff. The doxxing. Etc.

[Rilgin]

38. Ok. Now turn the hat around

Now allow yourself to believe that other democrats -- millions of them -- not you. Like his policies, like his personality, and like his campaign. In terms of decisions in the past, there are plenty of things one can attack Biden on as well as Sanders. I do not want to enter mudslinging days yet, I will leave that to the Republicans who will attack either Bernie or Biden. Its not about changing your opinions its about realizing that millions of democrats disagree with you. Mutual respect of others opinions would be a good thing. Hold your policy believes and lower the other tones.

Allow yourself to realize that other people are as smart and caring as you are about our country and world. They just disagree on the path we should follow.

Allow yourself to understand that emotions run high in a primary and people succumb. Online harassment is bad as is doxing but it neither occurs in a vacuum nor is it one sided. Further, resentment and only seeing one sides of harassment feeds on itself leading to continued belief that only your side is under attack. Biden supporters are called the establishment with implications that they stand against progress. Bernie supporters are called Bernie Bros, labeled sexists and naïve. In the same post, Bernie supporters are called horrible names all based on a "fact" that only Bernie supporters are attacking others. Mudslinging hypocrisy is rampant. These attacks feed on themselves People post that they don't like Bernie's hand motions without any awareness that Joe does the same thing. He points, pounds the desks and has all the gestures that Bernie has. If you realize that, you start understanding that people ignore things all around them to support their one sided opinion.

And last allow yourself to understand that these other people have the different but equally valid concerns about your candidate both as to his electability and his policies. As a candidate, Biden has a lot of historic failings that will be brought up including plagiarism, Clarence Thomas, bankruptcy bill authorship, the nepotism of elites and war votes some of which lower support amongst progressives and some which stoke the republican base. Bernie will definitely face claims of socialism, claims he is over promising and some of the other claims thrown at him. However, it is not clear to me which is more problematic for getting Trump out. Stating that it is a "fact" that Bernie will lose to Trump based on a McGovern election while ignoring the many moderate triangulating candidates that have lost since them is perfect hypocrisy. Stating that we will not get M4A because Bernie can not pass it through the Senate and then saying that improving the ACA will pass is a good example of perfect hypocrisy. Republicans will not pass anything from the democrats whether its improving the ACA or M4A so both moderates and progressive democrats need a voting revolution to do things.

If you understand and act on these realizations we will have a better chance of not adding to the resentments and be in a better place to beat Trump after the primaries

[romana]

25. It's frustrating

I think the fish rots from the head, unfortunately. Sanders could harness and direct all that progressive energy on behalf of the party instead of against it. But, like Trump, his ego is fed by that percentage willing to burn everything down in his name. If this were really about making things better it wouldn't be about Bernie as much as it is.

[honest.abe]

27. Bernie blew it when he failed so miserably in SC.

He didnt put enough effort there to connect with the voters. If he had won SC by just a point or even just made it close, it would have been a much different story now. He was too focused on CA and other big delegate ST states. It was his fatal strategic mistake that cost him this election.

[zackymilly]

31. I was done with Bernie when he flew off to San Jose instead of going to Selma with everyone else. n/

[Happy Hoosier]

35. Bernie's list of failings are fairly long, but his main weakness, IMO....

.... is that he doesn't work and play well with others.

He refuses to join the party and he takes every opportunity to insult long-time Democrats.

It's not surprising that he can't muster majority support.

[King4ADay]

29. Absolutely correct, but it's the Democratic voters that will decide who they want as the nominee

not the also-ran candidates. So far with regard to grassroots support, funding and wins he's doing pretty well with the majority of the Democratic electorate.

But, we'll see.

[pnwmom]

37. Of course. But they are as free to speak their minds about who they endorse as any of us are. nt

[Runningdawg]

36. Make no mistake I WILL not only vote for the nominee I will work my ass off for them

However, I too am sick and tired of candidates who think we owe them something. "it's MY turn" got us into this mess.

[mcar]

40. +1000!