Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumJill Biden's epic tussle: In split-second blocking maneuver, she protects husband from lunging vegan
Former vice president Joe Biden watches as his wife Jill Biden, center, blocks a protester from arriving on stage during an primary night rally in the Baldwin Hills neighborhood of Los Angeles on Tuesday. (Patrick T. Fallon/Bloomberg)
By Timothy Bella
March 4, 2020 at 6:25 a.m. EST
It could have been a scene out of the romantic thriller The Bodyguard, except the hero of the moment in this case was not a trained agent but Jill Biden.
The sequence began as former vice president Joe Biden was delivering his victory speech in Los Angeles, thanking his supporters for his Super Tuesday comeback.
Suddenly, a protester rushed the stage wielding a Let Dairy Die placard. With the vegan protester just a few feet from her husband, Jill Biden clutched her husbands right hand and interposed her body between him and the woman lunging at him.
About 10 seconds later, another anti-dairy industry protester stormed the stage. Reacting with lightning speed, the former second lady swung around, extended her arms, grabbed her by the wrists and then blocked her with a stiff-arm.
Wincing, she pushed the woman back as her husband and sister-in-law looked on with concern during the sudden confrontation.
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She was like a ninja last night!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,891 posts)vegans For NO Cow Consumption.. of any kind.
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sunnybrook
(1,156 posts)These idiots do our cause no good! Shameful!
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Cha
(297,891 posts)and it's healthier for me.
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Mme. Defarge
(8,056 posts)during Orthodox Lent.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)that takes into account getting all required nutrients, enzymes and vitamins? I would be interested in reading something like that and gleaning useful information from it. I am a meat eater, but my meat consumption is down to around half of what it was, even at the high point, I was not a big meateater.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
oldsoftie
(12,647 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,367 posts)All kidding aside I can't believe how anyone thinks such antics help their cause.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
irisblue
(33,041 posts)I don't think Jane Sanders kicked their ass though
from today's WaPo--
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/03/04/jill-biden-joe-biden-protesters/
The activists are among the same anti-dairy industry protesters that have previously interrupted events for Bernie Sanders and Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) during the 2020 campaign.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,995 posts)Enough.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
PatrickforO
(14,602 posts)Me too!
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Blue_true
(31,261 posts)I don't think their intent is to harm anyone, they just want to get to the mic and spew their agenda, it is just that their tactics are dangerous and can lead to someone getting hurt accidentally.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tanuki
(14,926 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Walleye
(31,110 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
C_U_L8R
(45,029 posts)The present FLOTUS would probably jump out of the way.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
oldsoftie
(12,647 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LisaM
(27,848 posts)Except to walk in and out of Air Force one and to sometimes lightly clap her hands without moving the rest of her body or her face.
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Frances
(8,547 posts)Jill is one tough smart woman
And she wont put Christmas trees that look like they are covered in blood in the White House
And she hasnt posed nude curled up n dot to another nude woman
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rzemanfl
(29,579 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jimfields33
(16,050 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,891 posts)a little thing but powerful against lunging vegan. lol
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wyldwolf
(43,870 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
samnsara
(17,654 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wyldwolf
(43,870 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
C_U_L8R
(45,029 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
samnsara
(17,654 posts).....so they want to nice cows to go extinct?
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FailureToCommunicate
(14,027 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Siwsan
(26,311 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Augiedog
(2,549 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
highplainsdem
(49,070 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tarc
(10,478 posts)If Camp Biden has a good social media game, #JillBiden should be trending today.
And they should me meme'ing the hell lout of this, something with John Cena's intro music.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)My childhood neighborhood.
Ten points to Jill.
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djacq
(1,634 posts)Pack you bags Melania!
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Renew Deal
(81,889 posts)Last edited Wed Mar 4, 2020, 09:15 AM - Edit history (2)
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
boston bean
(36,224 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pnwest
(3,266 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Guilded Lilly
(5,591 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
obamanut2012
(26,165 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
oldsoftie
(12,647 posts)Same thing happened with Sanders. This shit has to be stopped well before getting that close. What if JILL had been hurt?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
FailureToCommunicate
(14,027 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
oldsoftie
(12,647 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NRaleighLiberal
(60,029 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PWPippinesq
(195 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DIVINEprividence
(443 posts)I get the sympathy for animals and everything, but millions of insects die to make this vegans tofu salad. This guy needs to just not eat at all. In fact, he should not wash because that kills millions of organisms as well.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
2naSalit
(86,880 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Rorey
(8,445 posts)Could you elaborate? By what means do these millions of insects die in the production of a tofu salad? I'm not trying to be snarky or anything. I would like to learn.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
cstanleytech
(26,342 posts)you need to till the land, plant the beans, tend to the beans and then harvest them.
During each step there are going to be a number of insects as well as small invertebrates as well as an odd mole and lizard that are killed either by the machinery used or by the humans simply walking in the fields.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Or (and this is more likely) are we simply trying to distribute guilt equitably to better rationalize (to ourselves, 'cause no one else buys it) our own decisions.
How socially conscious of you!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Rorey
(8,445 posts)As I said in another post, I'm vegetarian. My daughter-in-law is vegan, and she's pretty vocal about it, which is her right. I'd like to gently rationalize with her that whatever she consumes is certainly her business, but advocating for humane practices would go farther than all of the stringent methods that she goes through (to say nothing of considerable expense) to be sure she doesn't consume or use anything that would harm an animal.
But I won't say anything to her, and she doesn't criticize me for bringing my little container of cow's milk to their house for my morning coffee when I spend the night.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Rorey
(8,445 posts)Cows are herbivores, and in a perfect world will walk freely in a lush green field in which they will graze. "During each step there are going to be a number of insects as well as small invertebrates as well as an odd mole and lizard that are killed ...................by the cows simply walking in the fields."
Skipping the "middle man" (or "middle cow", as it were) is actually a more efficient, and less harmful way of feeding the human.
I'm just opining, of course. I'm not a vegan. I've been a vegetarian for decades. I have never liked meat, so I guess I'm sort of an herbivore. But I am not going to argue that everyone should be like me. I believe that humans are omnivores, just as cats are carnivores. In my dream world, humans do not disrespect animals by herding them into inhumane conditions for a vicious slaughter. The method is just wrong.
Humans on this planet consume way more animal products than they need to in order to satisfy the carnivorous side of their omnivorism (a word made up by me). It's all about money, of course.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
cstanleytech
(26,342 posts)something be it an insect or an invertebrate is likely to have died.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Rorey
(8,445 posts)I apologize if I worded my post in a way that conveyed that I was.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wnylib
(21,710 posts)Until vegans MURDER them. Eatin' up all our greenery and scenery.
I get it that plant life is healthy for us. Plus, the treatment of animals we use for food is inhumane, needs reform if we continue to include them in our diets.
But, the reality is that none of us can live without killing some other form of life.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Rorey
(8,445 posts)I completely agree that reform is needed. Cruel practices are just not okay.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wnylib
(21,710 posts)Last edited Wed Mar 4, 2020, 11:51 AM - Edit history (1)
My father grew up on a farm.
Every year I spent part of my summer at the home of my father's brother in the country. 10 acres that included lawn, woods, a meadow that was great for wild berry picking, and a creek.
When I was 9, my uncle had 2 free range geese that he had raised for food. I was there when he decided to slaughter them. He and my aunt cornered them in a breezeway between the house and garage. One slipped past them, headed in my direction. He told me to head it off and send it back toward him.
Instead, I stepped aside to let it pass and then shooed it off into the open. I sympathized with its rush for freedom.
Uncle cursed me, sent me inside. I heard the squawking when he grabbed them for the kill. Then silence. I peeked out the window and saw that one was still twitching, without a head. While my aunt and uncle plucked and cleaned the geese, I stayed in my room, reading.
Next day at dinner, they had "roast chicken." I told them I knew what it was and refused to eat it. Refused gravy on my mashed potatoes, too. My uncle pointed out that I ate chicken and meat at home, so what was my problem?
I said I didn't know those chickens, pigs, and cows personally before eating them. He just shook his head and said, "city kid."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Rorey
(8,445 posts)Logically, of course, it sounds like those free range geese had nice lives up until right before the end.
I grew up on a farm, and had to experience sort of the same thing. I'm sure that's when my dislike for meat started. I am not going to deny my hypocrisy for continuing to use dairy products. I grew up on a dairy farm, and I guess I tell myself that all cows are treated as humanely as ours were treated. I actually didn't put a whole lot of thought into using milk until my son pointed out to me that if a cow doesn't have a calf she won't produce milk, and then what happens to the calf?!
My son was a vegan, but now does consume what he is led to believe are humanely sourced animal products. I just think all products should be humanely sourced, and our best efforts should be put toward pushing for reforms, rather than criticizing people who do consume animal products.
I don't have the answers.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wnylib
(21,710 posts)good places to start are the way chickens are raised in "factories" and the way cattle and pigs are slaughtered.
I still eat meat, but not as much as in the past. More veggies and fruits. I do like dairy products and doubt I will ever give them up. I need the calcium and am allergic to calcium veggies like broccoli, which I love but can 't eat..
My uncle and father did not think of the experience as traumatizing for me. My grandparents' farm was dairy, but they also raised chickens and pigs. They were used to animals being slaughtered.
I never understood how farm people could watch their animals being born, feed and care for them, and then kill them. I did not object to eating meat. Just thought I could never kill and eat something I was close to.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bayard
(22,192 posts)I had a pet Brahma steer, Cowster. He was such a love, and a beautiful cinnamon color.
I had a guy come work on my tractor, and he was just appalled--you can't NAME something you're going to EAT! I said, Cowster never has to worry about that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
zeusdogmom
(999 posts)Enjoyed their presence in the barn yard, and I think they enjoyed ours. My favorite was JR, a cute little black angus guy. He used to push me into the fence, lick my face with his big ol' tongue and then stand quietly while I scratched him in all his favorite places. And yes, after we had fattened him up with freedom to graze on good green grass, hay, corn, etc. he had one bad moment. We thanked him for his life and the life sustaining food he was giving to our family. I realize this is not for everyone. But we loved and cared for all of our animals. And the meat I buy today? I spend the extra time and money to know the farmer and how he or she raises the animals under their care. Not everyone can do this. I can. And it is my choice. I don't criticize other people's food choices as it is not under my control. Nor do I want it to be.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
wnylib
(21,710 posts)do that. I just don't understand it because I know I could not. Had no trouble eating fish that my brothers caught, or deer shot in hunting season, although I don't care much for venison. Those creatures were strangers to me. I know I could not shoot a deer myself, unless it was a necessity. But I don't judge people who do.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wnylib
(21,710 posts)told me about my father when he was a kud on the farm. The kids were crossing the pasture when their bull charged at them. My father climbed a tree but his siblings got over the fence and went home. At dinner time, my father still wasn't home. Grandpa found him still in the tree. Had to lure the bull back to the barn to get my father down.
So, soon as a male replacement calf was born, the old bull went to a slaughterhouse. To avoid a repeat, my father made a pet of the bull calf. He and his siblings fed and petted it. Played with it. It grew up tame enough for them to feel comfortable around it. The bull used to follow them, from inside the pasture, along the fence, as they walked to school. Other kids came to the fence to pet it. But the other parents feared that the bull would turn on the kids some day and might break through the fence. So they had to keep it in the barn while kids were going to and from school. Don't know what name they gave it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
renate
(13,776 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)surroundings. I think that constitutes the definition of a living being.
But, on the level that the discussion is at, it people that consume animal products continue that practice, animals must be treated ethically, though, even as a meateater, I have an issue with getting slaughtered as being treated ethically, but do Vegan see the same with harvest of living being plants?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Doodley
(9,161 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)after being harvested and that they try all means available to them to survive, that is why cut flowers last, they are alive and adapt as best they can to their new environment. So plants are in fact living beings AND are aware of their surroundings.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wnylib
(21,710 posts)flowericide. I like to put cut flowers in a vase on the table.
What about fruit after it is picked? Hope it does not feel .anything when I skin it or bite into it.
Does the parent plant get phantom pain after the fruit is picked? When the fruit falls naturally?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Next winter try putting navel oranges in a sealed ziplock bag. Vent the bag every couple days for about a hour then resell it. What you will notice when you eat the oranges from the bag (compared to ones that you did not bag) is the bagged oranges are sweeter and have more of the orange-flavor chemicals in the pulp, and the navels are sweeter and more flavorful. The reason why you have to vent the bag is the metabolic process that is going on with the oranges create steam in the bag, the venting allows that to escape.
Now I am not saying that plants have brains like animals, but they do have awareness, react to their environment and continue to undergo non-decaying biological processes when placed in an optimal environment given their new circumstances.
The research that I read didn't talk about parent plants. But most fruit and vegetables are harvested, not picked off the ground.
I eat a lot of vegetables. Eventhough I read research that says plants are living things in a broader sense that what people see, I have no problem with tearing into fresh sauteed cauliflower, I honestly don't think about the plant the head came from having been "killed" for me to get the head.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wnylib
(21,710 posts)My comments were only half serious. I like to look at things from various perspectives.
But I do not think that the changes in picked fruit and veggies are due to ongoing life-preserving processes. They are chemical changes once life is no longer viable for them.
The reason that the oranges are sweeter after being sealed is that they change chemically from complex carbohydrate to simpler sugars. They also lose some nutrients in the process. So do other foods like potatoes.
Flowers do get some nutrition from water to prolong their life after being picked, but are not viable like some plants that grow new roots in water after a sprig us brojen off and put in water. They can regenerate. Cut flowers cannot. So they die slowly in a vase.
In a biology lab, our professor brought in live clams to dissect. When she demonstrated the process first for us, I let out a painful squeal on her first slice. Only half the class was amused (but not the prof). The rest found it hard to proceed after thinking about slicing into live creatures. How aware are clams? Not much, I suppose. But how do they experience or process being sliced alive? Don't know.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
FamousMortimer
(40 posts)Think of the bugs man!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wnylib
(21,710 posts)plant or animal?
Or yeast bread? We let the yeast multiply to raise the bread, then kill them in the oven.
Beer? Wine?
Antibiotics are self-defense, I suppose. And antiseptic wipes and sprays are pre-emptive assaults.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LeftOfCenterVA
(3 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
2naSalit
(86,880 posts)Last edited Wed Mar 4, 2020, 10:40 AM - Edit history (1)
There was a call out on MSNBC for both Joe and Bernie to get SS protection within the next 24 hrs.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Sapient Donkey
(1,568 posts)I guess he figured Jill Biden could handle any problems....
seems he was right.
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2naSalit
(86,880 posts)But then, those women had Biden signs and used them to get into the crowd. I bet they get SS protection after last night. That was in LA too.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)My guess is not the campaign hire some close security people. The Vegans didn't intend to harm anyone, but the next group may not be as peaceful.
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FailureToCommunicate
(14,027 posts)wanting to request them again, though that would have it's own complications for his campaign style.
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still_one
(92,488 posts)present
These candidates need secret service protection
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Blue_true
(31,261 posts)She was off stage, but you can see her immediately reacting in that photo and getting to the stage. Neither woman seemed to be thinking about the danger to herself.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Snarkoleptic
(6,002 posts)n/t
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Maribelle
(4,783 posts)Your crunchy face in the line of duty was more than worthy of admiration.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Old Terp
(464 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Rorey
(8,445 posts)I admire someone speaking out for what they believe in, but this is morally just wrong.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)a mic, they were not out to harm. But their tactics are silly.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)it's curled, I would suspect that it was rolled up right until the second that she took the stage. That's how they got past so many people who would have been looking out for Joe.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dem4decades
(11,314 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
gordianot
(15,249 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bottomofthehill
(8,353 posts)What an amazing person she is. Wife, partner, Community College Professor, protector, campaigner, all around amazing person.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MFGsunny
(2,356 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lastlib
(23,352 posts)Do Not Mess with our next FLOTUS!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
honest.abe
(8,688 posts)First Lady, Secret Service, Body Guard all in one!!
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SilasSouleII
(363 posts)N/T
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AkFemDem
(1,836 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
zackymilly
(2,375 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Dennis Donovan
(18,770 posts)"Lunging Vegan" or "The Lunging Vegans" - works both ways!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bdamomma
(63,941 posts)saved her husband. No secret service protection???? what's with that??
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)likely didn't know that.
The lack of close security is concerning.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
secondwind
(16,903 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Rorey
(8,445 posts)Even if she felt inclined to protect "The Donald", she may have ruined her outfit, so......
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NoMoreRepugs
(9,494 posts)Sidestepping and smiling? What u think?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Fiendish Thingy
(15,690 posts)This couldve turned out a lot worse...
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Little Miss Dairy Queen looks all right...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Sloumeau
(2,657 posts)Lack of meat makes them crazy. Hahahaha.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PatrickforO
(14,602 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
njhoneybadger
(3,910 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)She was not thinking about her own safety in that moment.
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Glimmer of Hope
(5,823 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
llmart
(15,563 posts)Jill Biden is quick on her feet.
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MacKasey
(995 posts)Jill Biden went Jersey on her
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llmart
(15,563 posts)I heard that this morning.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MacKasey
(995 posts)And then moved to Philly
That's a 2fer in my book!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
llashram
(6,265 posts)is security? This photo of a soon to be First Lady having to protect her husband is unacceptable. Don't get me wrong her instincts are admirable. To say the least. But wher in the hell is security?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Paladin
(28,280 posts)Bobby Kennedy's.
It is absolutely unacceptable for presidential candidates not to have world-class security at this point in time. That anti-dairy placard could have been a semi-auto pistol. Jesus H. Christ---have we learned nothing from this country's violent, tragic history?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Paladin
(28,280 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tarc
(10,478 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
wryter2000
(46,119 posts)She and Michelle must work out together
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Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Lars39
(26,117 posts)Who knew their intentions or what else they were holding.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Could have been a pajama-clad ninja assassin. Truly frightening.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Lars39
(26,117 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Ilsa
(61,709 posts)this aggressive might have delusions or be carrying a shiv or knife. You stop them, then find out what their beef is.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)They could also have been hiding a nuke in their pajama pants. VRY SCRY STUFF.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
mcar
(42,426 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)activist gets to live with it for life.
Why on earth don't these people ever disrupt Republican events? They're the ones who passed the laws legalizing animal torture and made photographing it illegal.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(42,426 posts)the people who might actually help you.
Like the climate activists who stormed Pelosi's office before she was elected Speaker.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)to the point of virtually dismissing the right. Even blaming liberals for everything conservatives do as if we could always stop it and just refuse to.
A political psychologist commenting on the similarities and differences between left and right extremists quipped that the far right hate everyone else, but the far left hate themselves. I always remembered because it explains so much. And is short.
Sanders manipulates that major weakness big time, of course, but review of decades of his political life makes it seem pretty certain he's wired that way himself. Big time. It's not a cynical act to gain power. To him, we (but never him) really are to blame for everything that's wrong.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)A person that was in Washington for 30+ years can act like he was never there and some people eat that up.
He had a chance to be constructive in making change happen, but largely sat on the sidelines.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)replaced him, driving over from our day jobs now and then to vote as a +1 to whatever the Democrats were doing. As an independent very little significant committee work assigned, and none that couldn't be refused. No accomplishments would have gone undone. Someone else would have renamed the post offices if needed.
Of course, we'd like to have limo life and enormous respect that automatically come with being a *U.S. senator.* As he's proven, we'd not need to accomplish anything to earn any of it. Just do what we have to to get reelected. And lies to constituents, smears for our competitors, dirty political deals to close Democrats out of the running, mostly paid for by our big donors of course, are proven to manage most of that if that's how we'd choose to roll.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)beaten by thugs. They KNOW that won't happen when they protest among democrats.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Guilded Lilly
(5,591 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Poeraria
(219 posts)Well, except for Johnny Solvent and the Acetones.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
oldtime dfl_er
(6,931 posts)a new badass is in town!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bayard
(22,192 posts)I couldn't figured out--what the hell? Jill looked like the only one not in shock. Look at that warrior expression on her face!
Future First Lady Jill Biden: Though she be little, she is mighty!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BootinUp
(47,207 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)and Jill Biden should not have had to be campaign security.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
elleng
(131,265 posts)'Bidens ties to the dairy industry and indifference to the suffering of farmed animals something he basically never talks about flies in the face of everything he claims to stand for, the group said in part. Were asking him to stand with animal rights advocates, environmental activists, and ordinary citizens and against the inherent violence of the dairy industry.
https://www.thewrap.com/anti-dairy-protesters-interrupt-joe-biden-during-super-tuesday-speech/
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
peggysue2
(10,847 posts)That is Bulldog Jill there! Look at that expression. I hadn't seen this angle before. Impressive.
One thing is clear: our future First Lady won't be taking any shit from anyone!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Mouth
(3,168 posts)actions taken in defense of a spouse.
At least if I were on a jury.
It's pretty hard for me to even conceive anything I would disapprove of in self defense or defense of a loved one.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided