Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumIt's hard to run on massive economic change when the majority of the country likes the economy
I think this is something all the campaigns need to keep in mind this cycle. Jobs and the economy just aren't showing up on voters' lists of concerns.
The top concerns polling among voters are: healthcare, national security, gun violence, and education. The bottom-polling issues are wealth distribution, the deficit, taxes, trade, and (unfortunately) the environment.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bluedye33139
(1,474 posts)Historically, the liberal state creates the conditions for a market economy and maintains the conditions with its courts, regulation, and oversight.
Liberalism and anti-capitalism do not coexist peacefully.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Farmer-Rick
(10,170 posts)Feudalism had a market economy; controlled by kings and lords. They forced the serfs to work for free or starve providing the Lord of the area with great wealth. Then the Lords controlled the markets even determining what you could sell to whom. Slavery had a market economy; controlled by Masters. They sold their humans at....markets.
Markets have existed throughout history even in ancient Rome. It needs merely some kind of controlling entity to enforce trade rules. You don't even need fair trade rules.
Today we think markets are free and we allow them to abuse the mass of people. They have never been free and never will be.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Production, distribution, and prices were all fixed by law. Cobblers all had to make the exact same kind of boot (down to how many times they could tap each nail in the sole) and it was illegal to try to distinguish your product from another cobbler's product.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bluedye33139
(1,474 posts)The liberal state brought about trade and what economists refer to as a market economy.
A market economy only exists when the liberal state creates the conditions for it. Liberalism creates capitalism.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
padah513
(2,502 posts)After Puerto Rico and the Virgin Isles, not to mention what happened in the Bahamas, you would think that the environment would matter more, but as the government goes, so goes the nation. The time for a change is long overdue by almost four years.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Frog in the boiling water, I guess.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Farmer-Rick
(10,170 posts)Healthcare is an economic issue. If you get sick with bad health insurance you go bankrupt.
The number 1 job most Americans have ....which use to be Union paying factory jobs....is now sales clerk. We are a nation of sales clerks. The number 2 job is fast food.
Most adults in their 30s have crappy jobs that are going nowhere. We have nothing to offer our children...not even a living planet.
But yeah keep telling yourself the economy is grrrrreat. It makes a good slogan and ensure absolutely nothing changes...Nothing changes. That should be murmured every time someone says they like the economy...Nothing Changes.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Luciferous
(6,079 posts)affect them personally.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Recursion
(56,582 posts)We're in a period of unprecedentedly low unemployment, historically rapid wage growth, and a historically low poverty level. If I had to guess why the economy is popular, I'd say it's some combination of those things.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Farmer-Rick
(10,170 posts)Healthcare is the economy. A higher Minimum Wage polls very popularly but how often do pollsters include it in their economy question?
Pollsters manipulate and message the info because they are owned by the same filthy rich people who steal all our national wealth. They are not looking for how Americans feel. They are looking for talking points.
There are tried and true forensic polling methods that can determine if an election was rigged. Until W., the US was using them after every election. He got the owners of the media to stop them. Yeah you get some after the fact polling info on what type of person voted for what. But they don't ever do the forensic polls anymore.
They still use them in other countries to determine if there are fair elections....just not in the US. If pollsters were all about getting at the truth, they would be conducting those forensic polls.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SWBTATTReg
(22,121 posts)the (1) deficits going way out of control because of rump's tax cuts;
(2) the overwhelming majority of the economic benefits are going to the top 10%;
(3) there are vast discrepancies between what a living wage should be and what is in reality, being paid;
(4) too much wealth being concentrated into hands of the 1%ers (over 50% at least of ALL wealth);
A lot (way too many) Americans are barely able to keep their heads above water, and quite a few of them are drowning. And, with the way the GOP is scrapping plans to help people (food stamps, etc.), it's going to get worse, not better.
I'd say that these are is is 4 big issues still on the table. Pretty massive to me, from an economic viewpoint.
Then, add on medical costs, constantly rising housing costs, everything else! Don't get me started. What I would like to know, is why is the GOP so intent on ending these welfare type programs and/or the ACA, or reducing the food stamp program quite a bit? They are concentrating wealth quite nicely already so where's the incentive for them to do this? Is it perhaps maybe they still don't have enough money (it's an illness), and that they and not Christian at all, even though they prance around on national TV saying they are?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
abqtommy
(14,118 posts)two sides of the same coin... And then tell me how those two things are part of "the economy".
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Those were the issues they were least likely to identify to pollsters as important.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
abqtommy
(14,118 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Expecting most people to agree with one's own particular bubble is often dangerous. It's best to find out which bubbles are the most common out there.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cosmocat
(14,564 posts)1) His full on embracing "socialism." We get the nuances, but the overwhelming majority of the country has been programmed to think socialism is the worst thing ever. Republicans have been DYING to have him be our nominee because it would be an epic landslide blowout that would crush the party as a whole.
2) He just is generally malicious toward the democratic party, and those of us who don't align with the "revolution" either are not comfortable with him by now or just tired of him slagging anyone who is not part of HIS thing.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided