Will Bernie ever figure out that the Democratic establishment he loves to hate

[pnwmom]

is, in southern and urban areas, largely black and female?

[mcar]

1. And many are working class

He seems to think only white people are working class.

[TwilightZone]

2. You know...that's an interesting point.

I had a similar thought last night that was triggered by one of the silly "X state doesn't count because we won't win it in November" posts.

Those posts are thinly-veiled (or maybe not so thinly-veiled) bigotry, of course, and it made me wonder if the people who make them consider "working class" to be all-inclusive from a racial standpoint. One almost has to assume they don't, though that would be ridiculous.

But then, saying that a state doesn't count because we don't like it is pretty ridiculous itself.

[mcar]

3. Oddly, we're not hearing that said about Utah, a solid red state

[TwilightZone]

4. Yeah, I've noticed that.

Same thing happened in 2016. They're very selective about where it applies, solely based on who won the state, of course.

[uponit7771]

9. THIS !!!!

[LizBeth]

26. Sanders has been making clear for five decades and the last 5 yrs, white, middle class and men

are the ones being picked on.

[mcar]

35. That's right

and he is so wrong.

[Sloumeau]

38. That sounds almost...Trumpian...doesn't it? :) nt

[Bev54]

55. Well he seems to be

unable to learn like Trump, he just doubles down.

[NurseJackie]

5. Remember that one time when he had a rally in North Charleston, SC?

Remember that one time when he had a rally in North Charleston, SC? BS can't even get AA and POC to attend a rally at an historically BLACK church in a MAJORITY BLACK neighborhood, within a MAJORITY BLACK city.

I knew right then and there that it was OVER for Bernie Sanders!

His rally (although well-attended) had so LITTLE ethnic diversity that it looked like he could have been somewhere Vermont. In fact, based on the statistics, the demographics at that rally was even whiter than Vermont.

It's obvious that the AA and POC community are rejecting BS and the BS campaign. They did then, and they still do NOW. He can't make headway. He hasn't been able to refine and tune his message.

BS just doesn't connect with that community. The BS message just isn't resonating. When the AA voters don't even BOTHER to show up to a rally that's RIGHT THERE in their city, their neighborhood, their church facility... well that is a SERIOUS SNUB and COMPLETE REJECTION.

All I'm saying is, with such a humiliating rejection by the AA and POC communities, and without their vote, BS doesn't stand a chance.

Who is feeling the Bern? In North Charleston, it was a mostly-white crowd
https://www.postandcourier.com/politics/who-is-feeling-the-bern-in-north-charleston-it-was/article_851b29d6-471e-11e9-bc24-7f7b68686e53.html

[Blue_true]

27. Do you remember a picture from a civil rights remembrance event.

It was some type of event that had a light meal and was set among tables with table cloths. Hillary and Bernie was there and I guess gave short speeches. Hillary was joyously hobbobbing with people around her and other people were being drawn to her table, a total social event. Bernie say totally alone at the back of the room, no one around him, making no attempt to connect with anyone, looking pissed for some reason.

The event was in 2017, so it had nothing to do with the 2016 primary. The contrast was striking, private citizen Hillary Clinton being the center of activity and being there because she felt it important, and Bernie alone and likely there because maybe he felt like he had to be there.

If we come to 2020 and look back into the past, I can see a Senator Biden inviting Black and Hispanic and female colleagues to his home for dinner because he wanted their company. I can't imagine a Senator Sanders doing that with anyone but his ideological twins. That type of human interaction stuff matters a lot in the worlds of both politics and everyday life.

[NurseJackie]

34. Yes, I do remember that photo. It was amusing to look at, but a bit sad too.

I mean, there he was, all alone while others socialized around him. Were they ignoring him? Or was he ignoring others? Was he waiting to be approached? Or were others waiting for him to get up and socialize? (He may have been tired, I don't know. But it was a striking photo. I'll see if I can find it.)

[awesomerwb1]

37. Yikes!!

You sure that's not an episode from Curbed your Enthusiasm???

[Sloumeau]

39. NurseJackie, you have always been awesome.

Thank you.

[walkingman]

6. That is a very divisive statement. I don't think he hates anyone. Stop trolling.

[pnwmom]

8. I've seen Bernie's ads all over my FB page, decrying the Democratic establishment

and lumping it in with the Republican establishment and the 1 percent.

[walkingman]

11. Have you ever wondered why they are showing up on your FB page? To spread discontent.

[pnwmom]

13. They are fundraisers for BERNIE. Are you saying he's trying to spread discontent?

I agree. And his ads condemning the Democratic establishment won't help us keep the majority in the House (with establishment figure Nancy Pelosi) or obtain one in the Senate.

[walkingman]

21. What I'm saying is that you are being targeted. I suspect that you are not getting fundraisers from

all of the candidates. What will hurt the down ballot races is a internal struggle in the Democratic Party. We are all adults and should be able to vote on who we like without anyone telling us why or how to vote. Start paying more attention to the actions of Trump and the enemy will become obvious.

The talking heads in the media are just filling the space with all kinds of theories - most of it is meaningless and repetitive. As soon as the situation changes (ex. Bidens surge after just totally writing him off) they will do a 180 and begin telling a totally different story.

[Blue_true]

30. Targeted by who exactly? The fundraising ads are owned by the Sanders campaign,

that camoaign decides when and to whom the display. So the poster may have indeed been targeted, but it was by the Sanders campaign.

[walkingman]

44. The algorithms are very sophisticated and not necessarily along party lines an

example here in Texas is the GOP targets voters of all stripes with Bernie "Socialism" ads just trying to spread discontent. I think it is shameful that FB doesn't stop all political ads but "welcome to America". Be aware that Facebook infers our political interests from our behavior on and off the platform and allows paid advertisers to target us accordingly. My point is that it is part of social media for better and for worse - I think for worse. Hillary's "Pizzagate" is a good example of the type of crap that can does happen.

[pnwmom]

32. If so, then Bernie is targeting me. But in reality, I've been seeing ads from all the candidates

and have given money to more than one.

Not Bernie. He's not going to win votes from people like me by insulting us.

[walkingman]

45. Welcome to Social Media!! I think it sucks but that is just me.

[LizBeth]

36. Neither Republican Nor Democratic Establishment Can Stop Him

Sanders said it himself, putting democrats and republicans as one. We are not making this up. Sanders is the antagonist. He likes it that way.

[True Blue American]

51. If you are

In a room full of people a Political people and no one is talking to you, you have a big problem,

[uponit7771]

10. Despises?!? Cause at minimum Sanders doesn't like the Democratic establishment

[walkingman]

12. So what? It's up to the voter to decide who they like. Dissing someone is counterproductive. When

they go low we go high......The goal is to defeat Trump and may the best man win.

[pnwmom]

15. He disses the Democratic establishment on a daily basis. That means people like James Clyburn

and Nancy Pelosi and Adam Schiff.

And yet we aren't supposed to say anything negative about him?

[uponit7771]

18. So what?! Really?? This "establishment" is net good! This house needs renovation not burned down

Like the GOP

[whathehell]

43. Agreed...I'd guess the Bernie Bashers are projecting their own 'hate'

onto him.

[brush]

57. Makes you wonder about his political instincts though.

e skipped te Selma evet tis past weeked. ALL te oter cadidates were tere.

I mean who misses a commemoration like that that's so important to an crucial power block in the party base?

He sure got spanked for it yesterday, and will continue to be in the southern and other primary states.

It was not smart.

[LizBeth]

7. Every time Sanders mouth off, he is insulting the Democratic base voters. Lifetime Democrats.

[walkingman]

14. I'm a lifetime Democrat and I don't feel offended. Trump is our enemy not Bernie.

[pnwmom]

17. Are you black or female? n/t

[walkingman]

23. White male, 69, Texas - do I sound black or female?

[pnwmom]

31. When he's insulting the Democratic establishment, he's insulting a group largely black and female.

Which might be why it doesn't hit you like it hits some of the rest of us.

[walkingman]

47. Maybe so?? Regardless, I try and focus on Trump being my enemy and consider anyone better than him.

[pnwmom]

49. Me, too. But Bernie focuses on the "establishment" and lumps Democrats in with Republicans.

So any Democrat who's been actively involved in the party is as bad as Trump, according to Bernie.

[walkingman]

50. I think Bernie had a legitimate complaint against the DNC in 2016 so probably some hard feelings. I

don't know. I try and just ignore the chatter and concentrate on getting rid of Trump. I live in a rural area outside of Austin and we (wife and I) are the only Democrats in a 5 mile radius. It's kind of discouraging but I think I'm right and everyone else is wrong! 🤷‍♂️ I walk everyday and heard through the grapevine my neighbor said, "I hope no more liberals move out here, they should all just stay in Austin!" Heck, I've lived here 32 years....long before they moved here. Anyway, don't sweat the small stuff and it's all small stuff!!

Peace and Love!

[pnwmom]

53. I'm living in a liberal bubble that also happens to be the nation's epicenter

for known cases of COVID-19.

Wish us luck!

[walkingman]

54. Good Luck with the virus - stay safe!! I'm jealous that you live is such a progressive area. Enjoy!

We have very close friends that live in Edmunds.

[LizBeth]

20. Sanders has positioned himself for five years to exactly be our enemy. That is on him.

[LizBeth]

22. Telling me I voted for HRC because, vagina. Most experienced, progressive, smart, charitable

and first time woman President reduced to lady parts.

[walkingman]

24. Trump is your enemy - not Bernie - he is a unapologetic misogynist.

[LizBeth]

25. Sanders created the division. We can keep saying it, not going to change facts.

[Meadowoak]

33. +1

[whathehell]

46. Same here, and I don't feel offended either..

I'd guess the Outrage Machine is in overdrive.

[Dream Girl]

58. I find his rhetoric insulting and I am a back female

[zackymilly]

61. What's a back female? LOL n/t

[Dream Girl]

62. Typo lol

[Moderateguy]

16. He really shot himself in the foot by not being at Selma....

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It was like he was telling the AA community-I know you are not going to vote for me so I don't care about you.

[Docreed2003]

56. In 2016 several SC civil rights and political leaders

Reached out to Bernie's people and tried to establish help and organize with him in the state and his answer was essentially "Nah we're good". That turned a lot of people off to Sanders in South Carolina who could have been very powerful political allies. Frankly, his approach is often his worst enemy. If anyone doubts these facts from 2016, I would suggest going back and listening to some of Mark Thompson's "Make it Plain" shows where he had on SC political leaders on discussing this.

[onetexan]

19. And the feeling is mutual, the establishment doesn't like him either

I try not to use the word hate. Strong dislike is more like it.

[handmade34]

28. ...

"I'm a black woman in America, baby. Superheroes ain't got nothing on me" -Roxy (Hunters)

[The_REAL_Ecumenist]

59. WORD... I'm also a black woman and I WAS for bernie in 2016 but as I saw what turned out what he

REALLY felt about women & POC & double folks like me, (FEMALE & A beautiful caramel brown with both copper & golden undertones), I sat up & listened. He's ONLY gone on to cement my disdain for his sorry ass & the bull$h!t, b@t$h!t crazy comments & FLAT OUT threats his followers & campaign workers spread, (compounded by his tacit approval by silence)& within the last few weeks, his acknowledgement of the $h!t his workers have been playing, ACTUALLY saying that he had NO PLANS stopping them, I'd vote for Skippy the Wonder Dog WAAAAAAY before sanders for the nomination. What'd Maya Angelou say:"When someone tells you WHO THEY ARE, BELIEVE THEM the FIRST TIME!!!

Not helping his case is former Ohio Senator Nina Harris, who seems to have lost her everloving mind. She needs to shut the F*ck up because EVERY SINGLE SOLITARY TIME she opens her mouth, things go further off the rail for bernie the jackass. I don't know ONE BLACK PERSON who plans to vote for sanders & look with askance @ Nina wondering what the fluff happened to her & how the hell we were ALMOST fooled into electing bernie's ignorant ass to the highest seat in the land.

[MineralMan]

29. He's from Vermont, right?

No. he doesn't know that, really. Not really. He goes from Vermont to DC, and never walks the streets in DC. He lives a sheltered life, Bernie does.

It is entirely possible for a U.S. Senator to have never traveled the streets of Washington, D.C. Their lives take place in large, ornamental buildings and in limousines with darkened windows. It's amazing how isolated they can be.

[SidDithers]

40. He knows. He doesn't care...

He would have been in Selma if he did.

Sid

[Traildogbob]

41. If will gladly vote Bernie

If he is the winner. And, we will have to unite big to overcome the GOP propaganda machine. Any bets, if he is our presidential candidate the Trumps KKKlan Jamborees will include in the "Lock her up" chants a new Chant of "Jews will not replace us?" Good people will come out in droves.

[aikoaiko]

42. There is a big difference between the party establishment and the voters.

Bernie's presenting an alternative and being true to himself.

No one has to vote for him. Like last year, a majority or even a plurality, might not vote for him.

But he is getting a lot of votes and that can't be ignored from an electorate point of view.

[whathehell]

48. Bingo!

We have a winner.

[uponit7771]

60. Yeah, 30 years in any one place is "establishment" ... So sick of the I ain't with them crap

[aikoaiko]

63. Yes, you could call Bernie Vermont political establishment, but not Democratic Party establishment.

[uponit7771]

64. He's running as a Democrat isn't he?!?! The I ain't one of "them" crap is boring

[pnwmom]

67. I'm a Dem voter and I feel insulted when he constantly decries the Democratic establishment.

Because I know he's talking about people like Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schiff, Kamala Harris, Jay Inslee, and Deval Patrick -- politicians who are doing a good job, in my opinion.

Warren's positions are just as progressive but she never insults other Dems that way.

[aikoaiko]

68. I agree with you about Liz Warren. She played by the party rules.

And looked what happened to her.

Diminished. Ignored. Even after she took out Blooomberg.

And then 3rd in MA. Even long term DU Warren supporters droppied her just to join the winning team.

I get that I may be in the minority of the Party but I like Bernie’s rhetoric as much as you don’t. Bernie’s strength is also his weakness.

But I’m glad someone is speaking truth to power within the party.

[pnwmom]

69. I'd vote for him if I thought he had a better chance of beating Trump. That's my bottom line.

But I don't. I think Trump is dying to run against the socialist, and Russia probably gave them a mountain of opposition research to use against him, from when he visited there, and Cuba, etc.

[Cha]

65. KR

[yardwork]

66. Maybe that's why Bernie doesn't like "the establishment."

Just saying.