Bernie just had a press conference, in which he accused,

[MineralMan]

complained, argued, and then complained some more.

I watched it, until a reporter asked him what he thought of Bloomberg's withdrawal and endorsement of Biden.

Bernie blinked a couple of times, swallowed, and said, "He did?"

Apparently, Bernie is not keeping up with the news today. I stopped watching at that point, realizing that Bernie Sanders is no longer relevant to the 2020 election.

[msongs]

1. doh because bernie is like the old broken record lol (you youngins will not get that) nt

[NurseJackie]

12. 🎵 Give me one moment in ti--

[MineralMan]

19. Oh, snap!

[customerserviceguy]

24. Ah, the joys of digital music!

Also, no having to fish broken tape out of a cassette machine, either.

[Mazeltov Cocktail]

91. Remember rewinding the tape back into the cassette with a pencil?

I also had an 8track which played two songs at once when you got to the end of the track.
I am constantly amazed and amused and confused by technology today and extremely grateful for how easy everything is becoming.

[dawg day]

105. But we could tape it with scotch tape...

I love those jerrrigged fixes.

[customerserviceguy]

173. I do indeed!

I also remember trying to make labels for my self-recorded cassettes by using the shrink feature on a copier to make my song lists smaller, then cutting and taping them on to the cassette!

So much easier these days to use "Rename" if necessary on a digital file.

[secondwind]

54. 😂😂😂😂

[lillypaddle]

79. LOL

[emmaverybo]

108. LoL.

[rzemanfl]

66. Check inbox. n/t

[Just_Vote_Dem]

78. How do you know when that happens?

Is it a popup?

[Blue_true]

144. Yes, it is a popup, if you see it you have a choice to serve or not serve.

A person who gets called will know they got called and if that person reads a post that survive the jury, then they see the DU member that got alerted on. I have had some situations where I served on a jury and then a while afterward came across the post that got alerted on, the ones that get removed I don't see as I read through threads.

[Just_Vote_Dem]

148. Thanks! n/t

[hurple]

98. Yep

Post something that makes Bernie look like less than a walk on water jesus level 2nd coming, and they send you to the jury.

Happened several times to me. And it's why I will never, ever, under no circumstances ever vote Bernie in the primaries.

That and... because HE'S NOT A DEMOCRAT!!

[zackymilly]

122. Didn't happen to me until I switched from Undecided to Biden. n/t

[rwsanders]

177. Please. Were you here in 2016?

Do you know how many Bernie supporters were bullied, juried, and flat out just removed?
So I guess you wouldn't care if this was posted?
https://www.truthdig.com/articles/biden-would-be-just-the-challenger-for-trump/
or this (from the above article):

Link to tweet

What amazes me is the post after post after post of everything from this to where Bernie buys his clothes, prognostication about who is "electable", but very substantive discussion of issues.

[LastDemocratInSC]

47. The youngins will understand "a scratched CD".

[Celerity]

135. we do vinyl, mp3 or stream, I was born in 1996 and have never owned a CD player, do have a turntable

[LiberalFighter]

50. A good summation.

[Celerity]

133. we (I am a Zennial, 1996 born) listen to vinyl, lololol, in fact it has been a thing for ages

Vinyl Is Poised to Outsell CDs For the First Time Since 1986

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/vinyl-cds-revenue-growth-riaa-880959/


Vinyl Is Bigger Than We Thought. Much Bigger.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/billrosenblatt/2018/09/18/vinyl-is-bigger-than-we-thought-much-bigger/#64cfd0681c9c

[MineralMan]

150. That's funny. I have a 1996 Ford Ranger.

It has a CD player as standard equipment. Good little truck.

[Celerity]

169. I have a 1967 Vespa 125 Primavera, but is is back in London atm, I will have it shipped

here to Stockholm as summer nears. The colourway is Verde Pastello.

It is 5 years older than my father and 6 years older than mummy.

This could be it, down to the spare tyre (which I usually do not have attacked).

No CD player

[MineralMan]

170. That's a lovely old Vespa!

Have fun riding it! I had one Vespa scooter in my life, and enjoyed it a lot.

[hlthe2b]

2. Yikes. How could he not have known about Bloomberg.

I hope Bernie doesn't continue down this path. He has a long history, has had a long career and a future in which to contribute if he doesn't burn every bridge he comes to.

[MineralMan]

3. Maybe he got up just in time for the presser.

Maybe he's been lying under his down comforter from the Vermont Country Store this morning, sleeping off yesterday, perhaps.

Yesterday was a tough day for Bernie. Maybe they just let him sleep, you know. As a 74-year-old, I understand that feeling.

[pandr32]

27. That's probably it

[LiberalFighter]

52. Stayed up past his bedtime? Ummm

[Blue_playwright]

71. Heck, I'm only 50 and yesterday...

Made me want to sleep in! Lol

[Grokenstein]

90. Just turned 56, and I wake up fresh after five hours' sleep

...only to crash hard in the middle of the afternoon. (Makes work interesting, as you might imagine.) Remember in Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, when Scotty, in the middle of passing out, says into his communicator, "It's ra...diation!"?

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/4140086a-5d86-4392-ba1a-461d9602bfcb

...I've started acting that out every time I crash for my nap, only I say, "It's di...abeetus!" Oh, karma's gonna punish me for that, I just know it.

[LisaM]

4. Bernie's advisors aren't keeping him updated.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, he doesn't pick good people.

For one thing, we know who they all are. A really good aide would make the candidate look good and we'd have no idea of her/his name.

[MBS]

7. One of the biggest problems about Bernie

is his horrible staff. Not a promising indicator of executive or management skills. A key requirement for effective leadership is the ability to identify and hire and nurture good people for your team.

[PatSeg]

29. Can you imagine Nina Turner or David Sirota

with prominent positions in the White House? His staff choices are really disturbing.

[Mickju]

56. No! That would be a horror show.

[zackymilly]

123. I'm sure Jill Stein would also be in there somewhere. n/t

[PatSeg]

164. Surgeon General?

[ehrnst]

185. Sec of State?

[MineralMan]

20. His staffers have their own agendas.

I don't know if he has a body person who goes everywhere with him. If not, he should. Someone needs to tell him all the information he must know before he steps out to take questions.

I'm reminded of Amy Klobuchar's biggest gaffe this campaign season. She appeared on an interview panel with a Telemundo person as one of the questioners. That person asked her if she knew who the President of Mexico was. She fluffed that question. Now, she probably knows who Obrador is, but it wasn't at the top of her tongue. It should have been though, because she knew Telemundo would be there. She didn't prep properly, or someone didn't prep her properly.

On such small errors, elections are lost. Every major candidate need a body person to keep reminding them of things they need to know. Bernie must not have one, or not have a very good one.

[ehrnst]

186. People on the ground in CA tried to warn him away from getting involved in Cenk's campaign...

but clearly pushed them off them because he likely valued Cenk's flattery absolute loyalty and above anything else, including an incredibly damaging past that even Bernie's supporters couldn't tolerate.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/bernie-sanders-retracts-cenk-uyger-endorsement-after-backlash-n1102171

Certainly Nina Turner has demonstrated the required fealty:

Link to tweet

[LiberalFighter]

53. A few of them only care about getting media exposure for themselves.

[redstatebluegirl]

74. His staff is one of his biggest issues.

They are amateurs and totally unprofessional. But one could say that a staff usually mimic the boss.

[ehrnst]

187. When the boss values absolute fealty and lockstep with him above all else...

then it shows up in the staff behavior and performance

https://www.thedailybeast.com/bernie-sanders-staffer-mocked-elizabeth-warrens-looks-pete-buttigiegs-sexuality-on-private-twitter-account

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/bernie-sanders-joe-biden-iowa-caucus-democratic-meltdown-947545/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bernie-sanders-apologizes-says-he-didnt-know-about-30000-settlement-of-2016-campaign-staffer-accused-of-sexual-harassment/2019/01/10/db2c061e-14fc-11e9-90a8-136fa44b80ba_story.html

and the boss loses the good ones...

https://www.democracynow.org/2016/8/25/our_revolution_bernie_sanders_launches_new

[gldstwmn]

99. At least he doesn't think he's running for Senate.

[zackymilly]

124. Oh, he will be again, because Joe will be nominated. n/t

[Jedi Guy]

143. ...

[ehrnst]

188. But he thinks that women having abortions for sex selection in the US is "a problem"

that "needs to be addressed..."

https://www.thecut.com/2019/05/why-did-bernie-sanders-repeat-an-anti-choice-talking-point.html

[MineralMan]

5. He has been in politics long enough to know how it goes, really.

I think he doesn't necessarily pay close enough attention to what is happening in the world, really. He's been through one primary election season, and lost. But, he doesn't seem to have learned from that experience, since he's doing the same things he did the last time, and making the same mistakes.

He doesn't adjust to changing situations, but just keeps right on plodding down the same path, looking neither to his left or his right, but only straight ahead and down at the path in front of him. I know how that goes, at age 74, myself. If I don't look down at where my foot will land next, I could trip and fall, I suppose.

Not knowing about Bloomberg means that he didn't listen to any news today. No TV. No briefings from his staff. He just plowed into yet another campaign speech, with the same complaints and bickering.

Bernie Sanders is no longer relevant to this primary race. He'll plod along anyhow, but he won't catch up again. It has moved on at a faster pace than he can manage.

[hlthe2b]

6. "he won't catch up again. It has moved on at a faster pace than he can manage."

I agree. I just hope he won't encourage his supporters to carry and carry on with his grievances.

[NYMinute]

9. He should drop out graciously

instead of leaving a bad legacy.

[LiberalFighter]

59. Too late to escape the bad legacy imo.

But he should still drop out so it is not worse.

[MineralMan]

13. His supporters will continue to do that, with or without his encouragement.

We need to move on. The voters are telling us how to proceed, I believe. They spoke yesterday, and they will speak again next Tuesday.

Many of the people who support Bernie Sanders are not really Democratic voters. They are something else, entirely. They don't want to regain some stability. Instead, they want to disrupt any stability that exists. They would rather have four more years of Trump than compromise on even one issue in order to defeat him.

Those are the 10% of Sanders supporters who are in it for a different reason than the rest of us are. They are the ones who mocked Pete Buttigieg with a dance that called him out for being a gay man. They are the disruptors of other candidate's events, but then scream bloody murder about someone carrying a Biden sign at a Bernie event.

They are not our friends in any way. They are why Bernie loses, and Bernie can't see it, or condones it. I don't know which.

We need to move on and away from those disputes and go after votes in November. We cannot count on some hardline Bernie supporters to help us. They won't.

[MFGsunny]

40. + 1000 n/t

[ramen]

102. I think the endless mocking of him in threads like this

is only making that possbility more real. All the ageism and ad hominem is shortsighted. I'll be voting for whoever the nominee is but why noy make it easier for his further-afield supporters to join us, too? I don'r get all the trashing of Sanders and gloating on this site today. We are going to nees all hands on deck to get Trump out of the white house.

I said this while Sanders was the frontrunner too, before that comes up, check post history as desired. I just want Democrats to rescue this country from 45 at all costs and I think our chances are far, far better together than apart.

[MineralMan]

106. Look. I'm in the same age group.

I have little patience with it. You can cut it or you cant. I watched the presser live. Did you?

[ramen]

116. I did not have the opportunity to watch it live due to being at work,

well, at job 1, about to start job 2 momentarily. I have since watched it, and am not seeing what you are seeing. Only possible avenue of attack I saw was not knowing that Bloomberg had dropped out except that it seems to have happened roughly at the start of that press conference, no?

I can't help but noticed you stepped over the main thrust of the point I was hoping to make. Did you have the same reaction to the ageism volleyed at Biden where folks called him out as meandering and incoherent (when he, in my opinion, was not)? I don't think we have room for that stuff and I don't think we have room for all the posts mocking Vermont, 78-year-olds, etc.

Dislike Sanders? Fair enough. Disagree with him on policy? Fair enough. But why make it intentionally harder for his supporters to come our way? Take a quick spin through this thread to see what I'm referring to, which is NOT coming from you personally but from others on this thread and several other threads I caught between things today.

Just a guy wanting what's left of his country back when this is all said and done,
Ramen

Short story: fire towards enemy. Whoever wins or loses the Democratic nomination would be equally well-served to be in a position where unifying is as easy and natural as possible.

[McKim]

174. Constant Trashing of Sanders is Counterproductive for the Party

The constant trashing of Sanders is counterproductive for the party. You will need the energy and the votes of progressives, unless you want to rely on suburban white soccer moms who may look beyond their 401Ks. Instead of trashing Sanders, take on his platforms/ideas and win.

[ramen]

183. I agree. You may be responding in the wrong spot? nt

[McKim]

180. This Record Player Bit is So Nasty and Petty

This record player bit is so petty, so nasty and so not important. Why aren’t we talking about issues? Does Joe want to attract progressive voters? Then stop the petty bashing from both sides. I want to know when we are going to get more and better health care, fund the CDC and rebuild it, help young people with college, NOT THE STUPID HORSE RACE.

[gldstwmn]

119. Because they're all a bunch of Commies!

Good lord let's ride that slippery slope until our very last breath.

[MineralMan]

120. Who's a commie?

I have never used that word, but you did...

[moonscape]

44. Hope you're right re no longer

relevant. As clear as it seems, these days everything makes me hold my breath.

Hard to wait for something approaching normal.

[LiberalFighter]

57. Good point!

In all likelihood he thinks he is smarter than his hirelings. And probably only has hirelings with him to take care of small stuff.

The plodding describes him perfectly. If you think about it, you can see it the way he talks and with his gestures.

[treestar]

140. I'm not so shocked at his not knowing it than his bleeping staff

not telling him as soon as they saw him. That's a kind of big deal affecting the campaign.

[MineralMan]

147. Well, I assume he hired his staff and directs them

in their activities. So...

[subana]

179. that's a pretty important thing to miss!!

about Bloomberg, how could he not know that? Maybe he just doesn't care since Bloomberg endorsed Biden.

He isn't relevant even though he thinks he still is!

I think he's going to regret to Warren a long time ago when he said he didn't think a woman can be president. In her statement today she seemed to be sad that there is no longer a woman in the race. I would not be surprised if she endorsed Biden.

& btw, why is Gabbard still in this race? She only has 1 delegate, is she using the campaign to raise money for herself?

[Cuthbert Allgood]

26. We're really going to go down the Sanders is out of touch

and can't handle it mentally road? Really?

[hlthe2b]

34. Actually NO ONE has said that; Rather they are questioning why his staff isn't briefing him

and yes, he most certainly has demonstrated that he has some serious issues with the behavior of some of his campaign advisors and staff.

[squirecam]

72. Bernie People are calling Biden senile

Nt

[gldstwmn]

92. It's ridiculous. They're about to

find out how much Bernie matters with Bloomberg gone.

[Cha]

165. Oh yeah.. how's that?

[patphil]

58. I would blame his people for this one.

Something this important should have been told to him before he stepped up to the microphone.
There's no way his staff could have been ignorant of this.

[hlthe2b]

60. I agree and I do.

[unitedwethrive]

8. That press conference made me think that the DNC should consider limiting future debates.

Why have the Democratic candidates beat each other up even more, when it is becoming clear who the nominee will be? I know that if they stop debates now, people will think that it is a plot against Bernie, even though it is really a plot to keep our nominee clean.

Hopefully they are thinking ahead at this point.

[NYMinute]

11. I agree 100%

Everyone knows what Bernie is going to say - the same things he has been saying for 4 years.

Cancel the debates.

[peoli]

62. Why, what are you afraid of?

[NYMinute]

141. The election is over already

No point in wasting time

[peoli]

152. You don't believe in the process?

[NYMinute]

154. The process has been played out - there have been some 7-8 debates

Let's vote and get this done - make Joe Biden the next POTUS.

[uponit7771]

10. What's the point of Sander's Reilly?! He really didn't know?!?!

[MineralMan]

14. I don't know the point of his press conference, but it was clear that he didn't

know about Bloomberg. He was taken sharply aback by the question. He is not in touch today with the news.

[uponit7771]

15. Whoa

[Mike 03]

21. It was sincere, too. He really didn't know.

This wasn't anything like one of Trump's fake "I didn't know that, I'm just hearing that now for the first time."

[BeyondGeography]

17. That's embarrassing (re Bloomberg)

Christ.

[MineralMan]

18. Yes, it is, indeed.

[flibbitygiblets]

36. That's more than embarrasing, it's pretty much disqualifying at this point

Being up to speed (or at least being able to seem like you are) is a key part of being POTUS. Even his advisors dropped the ball on this, the events of yesterday (others dropping out and supporting Biden) should make an aspiring candidate think strategically about what might happen next (i.e., who else might drop out and who they might support). Having a talking point or strategy in your back pocket for contingencies is a pretty basic requirement.

[SunSeeker]

45. I agree. nt

[mcar]

22. How nice that the media gave him free airtime

[MineralMan]

23. Of course, nobody was watching, so...

[emmaverybo]

111. They have helped him. Trump helped him. Russians pitched in. And still he complains.

Warren tried to help, He bit her hand.

He has had more help than any other candidate in this primary and quite a bit of dough. So why is he still acting the set-upon victim?

[Cha]

166. But he hasn't helped himself.

[emmaverybo]

168. Ha ha. No, he hasn't! Aside from policies with no chance of getting passed, he brings not a ray of

optimism or hope, no warmth whatsoever, just negativity.

[Pepsidog]

25. Bernie needs ro bring his enthusiasm to the Democratic party behind Biden

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

37. Nope, it's the OTHER way around... this race is FAR from over!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[Pepsidog]

42. I would not mind that either.

[dlk]

28. What if Bernie passed the torch to Warren?

She could easily hand Trump his head on a platter. (Metaphorically speaking, of course.)

[MineralMan]

30. Way too late for that.

[gldstwmn]

115. Two weeks ago his campaign was dead.

[zackymilly]

125. Two weeks ago was before Super Tuesday. n/t

[gldstwmn]

157. Oh so the Peogessive wing of the party

should just roll over because the olds are afraid to run anyone but Biden against Trump? That most of the states he won yesterday we don't have a prayer of winning in the general? Yeah hooray. Way to move forward into the 20th century Dems. He's also down with the NRA and thinks he's running for Senate. I hope we're ready come November because some last minute phone calls from President Obama aren't going to save us from the shitshow that's being prepared on the other side. Do you really think the Biden campaign is ready for that? Do you think alienating roughly half of the people who voted in our Dem primaries by espousing the gloating attitude in the OP is going to help with that? Biden won some primaries yesterday. Before that he was nowhere. He couldn't fill a room. Acting like we've got this isn't gonna cut it. So before you start telling us to fall in line maybe you should politely ask if we care to join you.

[zackymilly]

158. Politely ask you to join us? 4 more years of trump and federal judge appointments if you don't. n/t

[gldstwmn]

159. This attitude is why Biden

could easily have his ass handed to him come November. It didn't work for Hillary and probably won't go over well this time. Hell they wouldn't let us appoint a Supreme Court Justice when Obama was president. I could ride out 4 more years of orange if I had to. Wanna bet I'm the only Progressive Democrat with that thought in the back of their mind?

[zackymilly]

161. Well, in 4 years, trump has appointed 158 federal judges to the bench...

...1 out of every 4 US Court of Appeals judges are now a trump appointee.
2 Supreme Court judges.
44 Circuit Court judges.
112 District Court judges.
What do you think he's going to do in the next 4 years?

I's so glad you can "ride it out" while 1000's of people whose lives will be decided by these judges can't.

[gldstwmn]

163. Now I'm supposed to feel sorry while you

try to use fear to ram your candidate down my throat all the while excoriating other candidates who dont want those judges either?
I'd like a candidate who wants to make sense of our health care system.
I'd like a candidate who is interested in doing something about our very real gun problem.
I'd like a candidate who feels that if people and businesses do well under our system that they should pay their fair share and give a little back instead of placing the burden on people who have little to no resources.
We have or at least had better cadidates. Why are we here again? Ask yourself that.

[zackymilly]

172. Fear? It's facts. n/t

[Demsrule86]

160. No...Sanders has the questionable votes on guns...

Sanders won't win a general. And I like Biden better.

[gldstwmn]

162. I didn't say Sanders.

I haven't told anyone who to get behind. I just said Progressive.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

31. Bernie's right on all points... don't start measuring the drapes yet!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[SunSeeker]

55. No, Bernie is not "right on all points." His brand of socialism would tank our economy.

Bernie's hero is Socialist Eugene Debs, not FDR. Bernie has spent his entire adult life bashing the Democratic Party.

Bernie made a glowing documentary of Debs in which Bernie does the voice over for Debs' speeches, including the one where he says both the Democratic and Republican Parties are equality opposed to workers rights:

Bernie admiringly recites Debs speeches from memory:

The fact is, despite Bernie's misleading statements, socialism is not what Denmark has. Denmark is a free market capitalist economy with a robust safety net. When Sweden tried Debs'/Bernie's brand of socialism, their economy tanked, they didn't create any jobs, and they ended up having to reverse coarse: 

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

61. I'll defend your right to be wrong

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[ehrnst]

81. Hon, tell that to Bernie....

[dware]

167. Aren't you the same one that said Bernie was going to hand Joe his ass

on ST?

Pardon me if I don't take anything you say about Bernie seriously.

[BidenBacker]

32. Still hard for me to believe

just how fast things coalesced and everything just seemed to fall into their proper place in less than one short whirlwind week.

It's almost enough to make me believe that there really IS a benevolent and merciful God up above watching over things. But then I see Trump on TV and think to myself..."nahhhhh!".

[Scurrilous]

46. LOL

I've wrestled with such thoughts myself the last few days and reached the same conclusion for different but not unsimilar reasons.

[wnylib]

65. It was natural for Pete and Amy

to quit. Sanders and Biden led all the primaries. For them to continue would have cost more money than they could raise. They became second tier in one night.

Natural for both to endorse Biden. Similar political positions. Plus, a desire for party unity to defeat Trump. I am sure they both thought about it before the polls opened and set some bottom line criteria for how to handle the outcome.

No miracles. No plots or conspiracies.

[BidenBacker]

93. Rumor has it that Obama was working in the background

I hope he doesn't endorse for a little while longer. Let Biden earn it on his own and rack up a bigger delegate lead and then when it gets close to inevitable come out with one and seal the deal. If he endorses too soon that will piss off the Sanders supporters but he will go a long way toward party unification when the time comes.

Save our big gun for last and then finish Trump off once and for all.

[wnylib]

110. Obama might have worked behind

the scenes to get some in-party cooperation. But it is still just rumor. It still makes sense that, even without guiding advice, Amy and Pete would drop out for the reasons I mentioned, and endorse Biden for the same reasons.

I have heard and read that Obama says he will not make any endorsements before the orimaries are done and then will endorse the chosen candidate. There are good reasons for that.

Given the extreme antagonism toward Obama from Trumpists and the anti establishment position of Sanders, any support from Obama (or Clinton) before the primaries end could hurt candidates more than help them.

[BidenBacker]

112. Amy & Pete

always struck me as intelligent people. Both made me proud to be a Democrat and both woulda been at least 10 times better a POTUS than the scumbag we got now...and that's on their worst day in office.

Bloomberg did real good today as well.

[wnylib]

113. Yes, we are coming together.

Wonder if Trump will dredge up old claims about Biden, or try to introduce "new data" from Guiliani.

[BidenBacker]

118. That's a rhetorical question, right???

Trump gets away with his bullshit because his supporters have the memory span of a walnut.

Years ago he had an interview saying "I have some of my people in Hawaii and you wouldn't believe what they're finding out about Obama." When the interviewer asked him "like what?" he said "you'll find out in a few weeks". Nothing.

"I'll release my tax returns after I get done being audited." That was almost 4 years ago...must be the longest audit in IRS history.

And when it came out that Melania came to the US on a non-working visa and promptly (and illegally) got a job he said "she'll be having a big news conference about that in a few weeks". Of course, she never did.

Now it's "just wait until you see what Giuliani is digging up about the Bidens and Ukraine". I hope the only thing Rudy is digging is Trump's grave.

I take back what I said about Trump supporters having the brains of a walnut...walnuts are far smarter.

[wnylib]

130. I was just wondering if he would be

brazen enough to try the old insinuations style again.

Soeaking of digging up dirt, didn't Bloomberg say a while back that he had something on Sanders? Even if he does, how wise would it be to use it?

And what can we do to reconcile Sanders supporters with a Biden primary win? Some hard core ones are lost causes but can we get some of them to vote blue instead of giving in to anger and spite? Ir making a scene at the convention?

[BidenBacker]

139. You can bet your life

the GOP will resort back to the only playbook they have. Benghazi...Burisma...Bullshit.

But if Giuliani really had something on the Bidens it woulda come out long ago...the dude has been snooping around for many months if not a coupla years now. No way Trump risks letting Biden become the Democratic nominee if he had even a shred of hard evidence Joe was involved in something genuinely illegal.

Regardless, you can damn well expect an "October Surprise" of some sort. The Russians may have hacked into the Burisma email system...don't be shocked if they release some totally bogus internal corporate "documents" of how Hunter and his Pop were receiving a gabillion dollars worth of bribes. Courtesy of Trump's best buddy Putin.

[wnylib]

142. So we know what they are likely to do

and should be prepared to undercut them.

I just read at Daily Kos that Senator Ron Johnson is using his position as chair of the Homeland Security committee to launch new investigations of Hunter and Joe because he says Biden never answered questions adequately and Democratic voters should know the answers before choosing their candidate. He made the announcement as soon as the primary results came in and openly admits that is why.

I am not concerned that they would find anything. I am familiar with the smear tactic of "investigations." Aren't we all here at DU after the relentless investigations of both Clintons and Obama, plus numerous Dem candidates? The question is how it will play among other Dems and in the general. Are they aware enough not to fall for it? Are they eager enough to get rid of Trump to not care what he and his enabling investigators say?

Should they be answered or ignored? Ignoring swift boaters did not help Kerry. But Trump thrives on derailing people with a barrage of falsehoods to respond to. Most responses only generate more false claims.

Maybe this is something for Bloomberg to take on in ads since he slams Trump so well.

[BidenBacker]

151. Yes, I heard about Johnson a day or two ago

That's how you can tell that Biden was back on the upswing...when they dragged their Burisma bullshit out once again. Not a peep about it for many weeks when Joe was languishing.

Not sure what Hunter Biden or the Democrats should do about it. Maybe if the GOP calls in Biden's boy then the House can call in Donnie Junior again and see if he wants to admit to lying to Congress. And back and forth we go. Graham is part of this shit too...said Biden was a "good friend" and the most decent man God ever created but that won't stop him from crucifying the guy and do the bidding of his newfound beloved Fuhrer.

You're exactly right...it ain't about uncovering "corruption" that isn't there...merely the investigation itself and the taint it smears is the sole objective. The DOJ just got done with a 2 year investigation of Hillary over Uranium One...didn't uncover squadoosh but they had already moved on by then. They spent a year looking into the FBI's McCabe...and decided there was nothing to prosecute him over. They'll do the same thing with Hunter and Joe.

I dunno...I'm pretty sick of this Republican bullshit so I now just take a fatalistic attitude. If a majority of my fellow Americans are actually stupid enough or gullible enough or vindictive enough to keep falling for this crap over and over and over again then we are done for as a viable democratic nation and we collectively deserve whatever bad shit awaits us as a result.

Not ready to give up but I can't do it myself. We need more Americans to wake the hell up and do something about it. Step One being to get Trump the hell outta the White House and a bunch of his subservient Gopper goons outta the Senate.

[wnylib]

156. One hope that I have is that

people are coming together strongly with Biden in the desire to get rid if Trump. It should make them willing to ignore the RW attacks on Biden, or react strongly against them.

A few comments at Daily Kos suggested that Barr would start a Biden investigation and run it until election day. Others suggested, like me, that Bloomberg could take this on. Some feared that Barr would actually arrest Biden. I doubt that, but if it did happen, I think it would cause an uproar that would scare even Trump.

Meantime, I am thinking we just should use a variation of the Trump mantra, "Fake investigation."

And endlessly repeat lists of Trump corruption.

It's gonna be a bloody fight, but we need to stick it out to get the filth out of power and crush them.



out of our givernment.

[BidenBacker]

171. Hope you're right

If turnout is any indication people are getting off their asses and standing in lines for hours just to vote. So I take that as a good sign.

I guess my biggest concerns are domestic election fraud and foreign election interference. I just don't trust Republicans in some of these red states not to falsify vote tallies and I'm scared shitless the Russians will hack into some voting machines and change some numbers.

As we saw in 2016 it doesn't take many votes in a few states to change an election.

[wnylib]

181. Yes, I worry about that, too.

So if the vote tallies do not agree with the polling reports, at the polls, or with the number of registered voters, or with witness accounts of the number of people at voting sites, we don't let the media get away with saying, "Boy, did we get that wrong."

If voting sites are suddenly changed, close early, or intimidate minority voters, we don't just shrug it off or complain online. We march. We refuse to accept the results. We follow the lead of Puerto Rico and Hong Kong and stay with demands that the corrupt government resign.

With a large anti-Trump turnout at the polls, we should also have a large segment of the population refusing to accept or tolerate a corrupt outcome.

[rzemanfl]

67. Right. n/t

[greatauntoftriplets]

75. As a pagan, I'll attribute it to the will of the tree spirits.

It's pretty remarkable.

[cab67]

97. I've encountered Sanders supporters with a different take.

Where we might see a benevolent and merciful God, some of them see a maleficent and vengeful DNC.

[BidenBacker]

109. The worst possible outcome

woulda been for Sanders to have shown up at the convention with a slim plurality but still far away from the necessary delegates. In that case I'm pretty sure that the superdelegates woulda given it to whichever moderate/liberal was behind him.

Back in 2016 Hillary was within a whisker of having enough delegates to win it outright and yet Bernie's folks were outraged that she got most of the superdelegates to put her over the top. I can only imagine what woulda happened if the nightmare scenario I just described had been the case.

But at the moment it looks like we will avoid that crisis...thanks to God, or trees, or karma, or just plain pure dumb blind luck. Or perhaps Congressman Clyburn. I might end up building a makeshift shrine to that guy.

[greenjar_01]

35. This is mean-spirited

I'm not a Sanders supporter, but this is sore-winnerism.

Not a good look.

[MineralMan]

77. It is what it is.

I watched it live. Did you?

[lillypaddle]

86. I saw it

He was appalling. Blame, criticize, tear Joe down, and then, "I like Joe. He's a decent guy." WTF?

[zackymilly]

126. Yeah, you're still 'Undecided'.

[greenjar_01]

134. You think I'm a Bernie backer?

[uponit7771]

146. No, Sanders consummate rock throwing shouldn't be tolerated this much

[LakeArenal]

38. Sanders also dragged Joe all over the mat then said

We aren’t going to have personal attacks.

Geez ba geez

[grantcart]

89. Railed against the Democratic Establishment then broke for an ad

Making it look like Obama endorsed him

The man is guileless

[Blue_Tires]

39. Once again I'll ask why St. Bern decided to

run as a Dem when it's clear that he hates us? If everything is so "rigged" in the Dem primary why not just stay independent and skip it?

Regardless, Sanders' single-minded obsession of trying to dig himself out of giant holes is why I question his fitness for office.

[George II]

41. Bloomberg dropped out about four hours earlier. He didn't know that? I'll file that away....

....for the next time someone says Biden is out of touch.

[wyldwolf]

43. I'll cut Bernie a little slack. I was in bed by 11:30, up at 5AM and feel like shit

And I'm 25 years younger than Bernie and Joe.

How they do it, I don't know. Massive 5 Hour Energy Shots??

[Sunlei]

48. To be fair Bloomberg quit & endorsed while Sanders was inside the burlington facility.

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/watch-live-bernie-sanders-gives-post-super-tuesday-press-conference/


Win or Lose the primary (and I love both Biden and Sanders) Sanders will remain in the game to help foster progressive change in America. We need Sanders voice to drag the more moderate D to the left.

About 30% of the D primary voters won't tolerate old school policies like 'stop and frisk', 'marijuana is a gateway drug', kind of statements.


It is my hope Biden and Sanders meld policies together more and Biden never makes a divisive, dismissive OP like this.

edited in Bernies face because messageboard said" if primary is today who will you vote for" well Tx primary just happened, I voted with my heart. The same in 2016 I voted for Sanders & then for Clinton in the GE. I'll vote Biden if he wins this primary. Clinton re-tooled a lot of her campaign message after the primary, it is my great hope Biden starts retooling more left- much, much earlier.

[MineralMan]

82. I watched the presser and described what I saw.

Did you watch it?

The fact is that he did not know that Bloomberg had ended his campaign and endorsed Biden. I was also correct in characterizing the tone of his remarks. I took the time to watch it, because I am interested in this race. So you make accusatory remarks about my post? Feh...

[Sunlei]

104. I think we shouldn't be dismissive of any D party supporters.

Bloomberg made that announcement the same time Sanders was prepping for conference. I think Sanders handled himself pretty well to be hit with that question. I watched it after, not live I'm stuck at work


Biden campaign timed those 3 primary dropouts to his huge advantage. A strategy and it worked to add to his Super Tuesday advantage. Still a long way to the GE and we need to include, not lose Sanders supporters.

[amuse bouche]

49. Ugh..So sick of Sanders yelling and whining

[obamanut2012]

51. ooommmggg

[Sneederbunk]

63. Can't wait for Larry David on SNL Saturday.

[Rollo]

84. I love it when Larry starts shouting about 1% vs 2% milk...

[aikoaiko]

64. And yet, I bet you'll keep posting anti-Bernie OPs.

[MineralMan]

85. What did I say that was inaccurate?

I watched the presser as it happened. Did you?

[blakstoneranger]

69. AT LEAST HE WAS HONEST---TRUMP WOULD'VE MADE UP SOME BULL.S*T

Rump would have lied and acted like he was on top of it. I have a lot of respect for bernie, he's straight forward and a decent man. Not my choice for president, but if he got the nomination I'd vote for him proudly. He'll lose my respect if he jumps on rump's bandwagon with the "rigged" nonsense!

[Denis Enko]

70. And the Bros are Bitching Already

Read a comment last night from a guy named Dennis responding to a TYT Video meltdown over Sanders' poor performance. "I'm not voting for Biden in November because {insert infantile mewling here}." I replied to his comment and called him a fucking idiot, which I shall also convey to anyone who refuses to vote against Trump.

[DesertRat]

73. Here's video

"Has he stepped out? ... that's the first I heard about that" --

Link to tweet

[zackymilly]

129. Deer in the headlights look. n/t

[TheFarseer]

76. He probably needs to get out

And get campaigning for Joe and other Dems to rehab his image. I hate to say that as a huge Bernie supporter but you have to know when it’s just not going to happen.

[rebe303]

182. He won't

Bernie's in it for Bernie. Liz has class and concern for the whole party.

[ehrnst]

80. [phone].

[gldstwmn]

83. I beg to differ.

Keep in mind that the majority of states won by Biden are not states that will be won in the general. Also we need his votes or rather the votes of those who voted for him in order to win. He matters quite a bit.

[MineralMan]

87. It is what it is.

[DIVINEprividence]

88. The Bernie bots will whine and complain

no matter what. He could loose by a massive landslide and the Susan Sarandon / Ralph Nader wing of the party will always think the “establishment” robbed them. I fully expect these clowns to pul their antics at the convention. If Bernie is wondering why Democrats are rejecting him en mass, these people are the reason. Biden not only beat Bernie fair and square he did it without spending a dime. LOL!

[SergeStorms]

94. There's a vast left-wing conspiracy against Bernie.

Just ask him. He just can't believe that the majority of Democratic voters prefer the Democrat, Joe Biden.

[MineralMan]

95. LOL...

[NurseJackie]

96. "Bernie blinked a couple of times, swallowed, and said, "He did?" "

Bernie blinked a couple of times, swallowed, and said, "He did?"

Oh dear!

I'm sure he doesn't have the time to personally follow the news as closely as we do. But you'd think that he would have hired a STAFF that's competent enough to keep up with things and let him know. Or, you'd think he'd be curious enough to ask.

Honestly, he's not exhibiting the qualities that I look for in a strong leader.

[MineralMan]

100. That's exactly what he did.

It was striking.

[zackymilly]

131. Noticed his voice cracked and got several octaves higher.

Reminded me of Peter on the old "Brady Bunch" when his voice started changing after puberty.

[NurseJackie]

136. The stress is getting to him.

Also worth considering:
https://nevada-ent.com/throat/effects-of-medications-on-voice/

If only he'd go ahead and release his FULL medical records (as promised) instead of the "doctor's note" summary... then we wouldn't have to do our own research. What is he hiding? The voters deserve to know the truth. Good or bad, we need to know.

[zackymilly]

155. Maybe he should pick Dr. Ben Carson as his running mate & keep an eye on Bernie. n/t

[zentrum]

101. Not a good idea to keep

.....finding endless ways to disparage Bernie. Could have the effect of really, really turning off young voters---new to the party--- who liked and trusted Sanders.

Such gloats take the risk of suppressing the millennial vote because---their loyalty---regardless of how it's viewed here, mattered to them.

Do we want young voters out there switching to Biden and working for him or not?

[MineralMan]

103. They haven't been voting for Bernie, either.

Turnout is low in that demographic group. So, I'm not too bothered.

[oldsoftie]

175. So they'd be ok with trump for 4 more yrs because Biden isnt "perfect"?

I remember reading about GOP voters who wouldnt vote for Romney in '12 because he wasnt "conservative enough".

[beachbumbob]

107. people like Bernie been rejected all their lives and never are good in dealing with it

he puts SELF-INTEREST before country every time.

But he has supporters about as egotistical as he is

[brutus smith]

114. When Joe makes a gaffe, they say "oh that's just Joe". When Bernie does it, they say he is

incompetent.

[MineralMan]

121. Who are "they?"

Please clarify.

[zackymilly]

132. "They" is the Democrat establishment. lol. n/t

[treestar]

138. This is something that happened in the news

though to me it is not a big deal he didn't find out yet. But you'd think dropouts would be big for any remaining candidate and that your staff would have told you right away.

[ehrnst]

184. When has Sanders ever admitted to a gaffe?

[doc03]

117. Listened to Progressive radio all I heard

was whining about how Bernie was cheated. The media and the establishment are all against him. I am not either and I hope this finishes him. If he is our nominee it would be a disaster.

[PupCamo]

127. so it's his usual press conference?

[DonaldsRump]

128. Ich bin ein Democrat

Why would anyone think that BS cares a whit about the Democratic party when he himself is not a D.

BS: you got trounced bad, my bro. And guess what: "Ich bin ein part of the Democratic Establishment because I am a D." You lost, dude. Give it up that everyone's trying to get you. You lost states you should have one, and your about to lose several more.

[hangaleft]

149. He lost states he should have tood, two!

[W_HAMILTON]

137. Here is a link to the exchange:

It's around the 1:08:51 mark:

[Maru Kitteh]

145. I couldn't take all the ranting and pointing and finger-waving anymore.

I had to mute and go find something to eat.

[RandySF]

153. Nobody held a gun to my head when Kamala dropped out

I chose to support Joe like everyone chose their candidates when the voted. Sometimes you gotta go out and EARN what you want.

[subana]

176. complained, argued & complained more

does he ever do anything else? Seriously, today he seems like one more republican! He made the ad that looks like Obama endorsed him which Obama has not done! Someone today asked one of his campaign staff about it & he said that Obama did say those things & that, since he did, it was true.

It reminded me of when Romney's campaign made an ad where Obama said that if he didn't do something they would lose. Obama did say those things but he said them about McCain's campaign, it wasn't referencing his own campaign. When they asked the Romney campaign to remove the ad they refused. They said Obama did say those things & since he did, they refused to take it down.

Bernie's campaign today sounds just like that!

[beachbumbob]

178. as with any mego-maniacs the facts always disturbs THEIR reality