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The Sanders-Obama ad was a huge unforced error. (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2020 OP
I disagree democrattotheend Mar 2020 #1
Neither Warren nor Bloomberg railed against "Establishment Democrats" like Bernie has. Sloumeau Mar 2020 #3
Not exactly democrattotheend Mar 2020 #6
Kind of seems like pandering to the establishment. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #2
The mistake isn't that Bernie's implying support for his campaign... brooklynite Mar 2020 #4
+1, Obama is "establishment" is the impression I get from him uponit7771 Mar 2020 #5
Not really democrattotheend Mar 2020 #8
Exactly what I said Johnny2X2X Mar 2020 #9
Did he do that to get sympathy from the AA voting block? Vivienne235729 Mar 2020 #7
If It Is, It's An Insult To That Community Me. Mar 2020 #10
worse its a cut and paste selected editing fraud from what Ive read about it nt msongs Mar 2020 #11
yes it is... handmade34 Mar 2020 #12
 

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
1. I disagree
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 08:12 PM
Mar 2020

Warren and Bloomberg were hardly best buddies with Obama either. Bloomberg, by his own admission, gave him a backhanded endorsement in 2012 after supporting McCain in 2008, and Warren was arguably more of a thorn in his side than Bernie was. Yet they ran similar ads. They haven't done so well, but I don't think they were hurt by their Obama ads.

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Sloumeau

(2,657 posts)
3. Neither Warren nor Bloomberg railed against "Establishment Democrats" like Bernie has.
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 08:21 PM
Mar 2020

No Democrat is more "Establishment" than Moderate Democrat Barack Obama.

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democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
6. Not exactly
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 08:45 PM
Mar 2020

Remember, Obama was the gate crasher 12 years ago. He had more establishment support than Bernie did, but he was still the outsider candidate who, with the help of liberal netroots activists, tore down the Clinton machine that held much of the power in the party at that time. Many of Bernie's supporters were Obama supporters first. As someone who was part of that it's weird that Obama and his campaign team are now the establishment. Some of Bernie's supporters still have a soft spot for him because they remember when he was the insurgent candidate fighting the existing power structure in the party.

Plus, Obama earned a lot of good will with the left for ending the war in Iraq, even though he was more moderate than expected on other things. My near-socialist grandfather was still pro-Obama when he died in 2013 because of that. Some of Bernie's most radical supporters are anti-Obama, but many others feel that Obama did as much as he could with a Republican Congress but the next president needs to go further in advancing a progressive agenda.

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TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
2. Kind of seems like pandering to the establishment.
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 08:12 PM
Mar 2020

I know it can't possibly be that.

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brooklynite

(94,535 posts)
4. The mistake isn't that Bernie's implying support for his campaign...
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 08:26 PM
Mar 2020

It’s that sucking up to the memory of Obama goes counter to his whole “anti-Establishment” message.

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uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
5. +1, Obama is "establishment" is the impression I get from him
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 08:35 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
8. Not really
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 08:48 PM
Mar 2020

For all of his criticism of the party establishment, I don't think he's criticized Obama directly in 2016 or in this campaign. He knows Obama is still very popular even among most of his supporters, and he has generally taken the position that Obama did what he could but didn't go far enough. Also, other than his calls for a primary challenge in 2012, he didn't really seem to have a bad relationship with the Obama White House. If anything, Warren was more of a thorn in their side than he was.

Also, while Obama may be the establishment now, he was the one crashing the gates and upending the existing establishment 12 years ago. Bernie and his supporters haven't forgotten that.

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Johnny2X2X

(19,063 posts)
9. Exactly what I said
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 08:49 PM
Mar 2020

“I’m anti democratic establishment, now check out this ad with me and the head of the democratic establishment for 8 years.”

I couldn’t believe he had the guts to run that ad while he’s trashing Obama’s VP in other ads.

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Vivienne235729

(3,384 posts)
7. Did he do that to get sympathy from the AA voting block?
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 08:47 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Me.

(35,454 posts)
10. If It Is, It's An Insult To That Community
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 09:40 PM
Mar 2020

Does he think they don't know what he's doing? They know, they know who he is and what he's trying to do. If they liked and trusted him. they'd be voting for him.

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msongs

(67,405 posts)
11. worse its a cut and paste selected editing fraud from what Ive read about it nt
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 09:52 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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