"We are used to supporting whichever less-qualified white man seems to hate us least"

[StarfishSaver]

Link to tweet

Stop telling Warren supporters to suck it up and support Sanders or Biden.

Of course we will do that, we're strong, capable women and we are fucking used to supporting whichever less-qualified white man seems to hate us least.

But we get to be mad as hell first.

[John Fante]

1. Joe was a US senator for 30+ years and vice president for eight.

How is he less qualified than Warren?

[LaurenOlimina]

4. His previous positions are disqualifying to many.

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Me included.

[NurseJackie]

6. I hope that Joe Biden can count on your vote...

come November. He will be our party's nominee. It's inevitable. The only question that remains is who he'll choose to be his VP.



Joe/Kamala or Biden/Harris 2020!!
Jump on the Biden Bandwagon & abandon the revolution!!

[LaurenOlimina]

7. Sure.

I think he could lose, but he has my vote.

[NurseJackie]

9. That kind of negativity discourages voting. What good purpose does it serve?

That kind of negativity discourages voting. What good purpose does it serve? (Except in the case of Michael Moore, there's always a dollar to be made behind some blowhard like him predicting the worse and being able to snidely chant "told ya so, told ya so"... knowing full well that if he'd been wrong, his mistake would have been forgotten as quickly as the incorrect predictions of Sylvia Brown.)



Joe/Kamala or Biden/Harris 2020!!
Jump on the Biden Bandwagon & abandon the revolution!!

[LaurenOlimina]

53. Well, if you thought Bernie would lose, wouldn't you support someone who could beat him?

Wouldn't you explain why you thought it was important to pick the candidate could best beat Trump?

It's not negativity to look around and notice how little enthusiasm somebody engenders in your community. To point out their baggage. I've seen your posts. I didn't feel I needed to call you out for your negativity when you critique Bernie.

We simply disagree about who would beat Trump.

I hope I'm wrong.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

57. I'm with you!! It's not over... after all, it's BERNIE vs Joe, one on one.

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[NurseJackie]

79. It's all over. Biden is inevitable. The only question that remains is who he'll ask to be his VP.

C'MON! GET IN! We're taking back America!








Joe/Kamala or Biden/Harris 2020!!
Jump on the Biden Bandwagon & abandon the revolution!!

[we can do it]

45. 😂😂I see what you did there!😻😂😂😂

[John Fante]

13. Disagreeing with his policy positions is

not the same thing as saying he lacks qualifications.

[LaurenOlimina]

15. sure it is...

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If you think his position on the Iraq war was wrong, then that is disqualifying to you.
rinse, repeat for bankruptcy bill, anita hill, trade agreements, etc.

[Mr.Bill]

21. Really?

So you agree with everything Sanders has supported, voted on and said in his entire political career?

[LaurenOlimina]

32. No I don't. He is my third choice.

I've seen nothing to convince me Biden has a good response to his past or that he is a fighter. I've got to choose between two old white guys at this point. I'm picking the one with broader ideas and less of a past.

[NYMinute]

22. Your candidate has zero foreign policy experience

and whatever he has shown is not endearing.

Opposing US sanctions on Russia
Supporting Iran during the hostage crisis
Praising Fidel Castro around the Cuban missile crisis
Opposing the US in favor of foreign enemies

[LaurenOlimina]

33. nonsense

[NYMinute]

37. Simplistic defense because you cannot counter any of it can you?

[LaurenOlimina]

42. It's hyperbolic, uncited and not serious. I gave it the defense it warranted.

Bernie is my THIRD choice. There were LOTS of better candidates than Joe in the field. Now, I've got to pick the old white guy I think can best counter the old white guy in the White House. I think its the one whose solutions match the scale of the problem and hasn't made a career of dubious "go-along-to-get-along" choices.

Bernie is no red.

[Happy Hoosier]

41. Compared to Trump?

C’mon. A drunk hobo is more qualified than Trump.

And we all have things that are “disqualifying” about the other guy, so let’s focus on the actual enemy either way, shall we?

[LaurenOlimina]

43. I didn't say anything about voting for Trump.

I said I expect Biden to lose to Trump.

Here's hoping he proves me wrong.

[Happy Hoosier]

47. And I think Sanders would be squished

So vote for who you think is best, but then support the nominee.

FWIW, I was a Warren supporter.

[LaurenOlimina]

48. So was I. She's on Rachel now - stream here:

https://livenewschat.eu/politics/

[sheshe2]

52. You have Warren and Sanders as equal choices.

You should check out the Maddow interview with Warren, going on RIGHT NOW!

What she said about his bro supporters was not pretty. No way in hell is she going to endorse Sanders. They are Angry Misogynist Bullies.

[LaurenOlimina]

54. Im not voting for his supporters.

I'm voting for the knife fighter that will knock Trump off his game. I think Biden will lose because Trump will run the same campaign against him that he ran on Hillary. I think Biden has a record most Americans are unaware of, and those poor policy positions will be lethal.

It will look like this.

Bernie is my third choice.

[sheshe2]

59. Well now you have two choices.

The vid is bullshit.

[LaurenOlimina]

61. That video is what the Trump ads will look like...

Only, they will cover more topics, A lifetime of bad decisions. They will be facebook ads designed to suppress the vote. You won't see them, but kids with student debt will see the bankruptcy one and feminists will see the Anita Hill one, and union members will see the free trade one.

Hopefully Biden has an answer for it.

I hope these general election voters will smarten up after 2016 and ignore them.

I hope I'm wrong about it all.

[True Blue American]

78. Tat is what I got out

Of the Warren interview. Bernie calling her a liar in the debate, then brushing her off when she confronted him, along with his hateful followers makes me doubt she will back Bernie.. she may not endorse Biden either. She has that right.

[John Fante]

17. Oh bullshit. Joe isn't a sharp as he used to be

but he's more than capable of running this country. He's also leagues ahead of Captain Covfefe in terms of mental prowess. The GOP is welcome to attack Biden along those lines, but it's a losing battle for them.

[wackadoo wabbit]

14. I agree with this (n/t)

[George II]

44. Thanks, mel.

[NurseJackie]

80. ...

[2naSalit]

18. Such as..?

I'm seriously curious what those might be.

[LaurenOlimina]

36. Anita hill, nafta, bankruptcy bill, Iraq war vote...

I have had a longer list, but as those points have been taken up by the right already, I won't post them.

[2naSalit]

40. The only candidate for the presidency that

matters, in my reckoning, is Biden. He has a fair enough record in his voting history. I've been around for a while, I have been voting for decades and I pay attention. I know who Joe Biden is and I know who Bernie Sanders is and have for quite some time, they are both humane and compassionate in their beliefs.

Biden has accomplished quite a bit for the people over the years and he learns from mistakes and takes/seeks sound advice. I want that in my president. I have no desire to see Bernie become president because I don't feel comfortable with his world view. And he has been insulting me, as a Democrat, for some time and I take offense to that. He was never on my list of preferences.

Considering the situation the country is in at present, I have no intention of letting my personal preferences get in the way of what must be done. It' s kind of like being in combat for real; you have to make decisions, choices and take actions you wouldn't under normal circumstances. And you do them because the alternative is great loss that is unacceptable.

Times like these require us to drop our ice cream and start rowing the damn boat before we go over the waterfall. I have an oar in my hand and I'm rowing hard as I can, I hope everybody else does too.

[LaurenOlimina]

51. I hope that speech made you feel better.

Consider your virtue signaled.

[treestar]

73. If you look at just the negatives

Bernie and Warren have theirs too.

[McKim]

34. Yes, There is Heavy Baggage!

Yes, there is heavy baggage. I spent 12 years in the Peace Movement trying to clean up a mess.

[loyalsister]

8. Nowhere near as thoughtful, smart, or compassionate

Warren was running an intersectional campaign where people on the margins mattered in contrast, our well being has been exploited while politicians can claim success in being tough on crime or applaud themselves for a decline in "government dependency" or fewer bankruptcies.

[spooky3]

10. Warren is very high energy. And the NYT editorial board

Found reasons why she and Klobuchar were the best qualified candidates.

Warren is a consistent feminist. Biden has some problems from his past. I’m not a purist, but someone who is consistently on the right side of this issue is more qualified imho.

[Sparkly]

24. They've been my top two candidates.

[Sparkly]

23. She is better prepared to be president.

She is ready to hit the ground running. She has the energy, the plans, the drive, the intelligence, the vigor to make things happen. She was masterful in the debates, tireless in the campaign, and inspiring among women. She is superior to both our current candidates in 2020, but oh well.

[spooky3]

2. That's a great line. Nt

[LaurenOlimina]

3. That's about right.

[dansolo]

5. Ahem. Biden is NOT less qualified.

I'd argue that in a lot of areas, especially foreign policy, Warren is a lot less qualified than Biden. Warren has her strengths, but she is no Hillary Clinton, who was one of the most qualified to ever run for president.

[greatauntoftriplets]

11. I still wish that Kamala was going to be the nominee.

[msongs]

12. oddly enuff maybe a million of women were fine voting for the men nt

[Bettie]

30. Well, then, those of us who are disappointed and angry

should just go home, take our shoes off, make dinner, and do some dishes, since other women have voted for the men, it must be those of us who supported a qualified, intelligent woman who are wrong. I guess she was just too shrill.

Silly me with my little woman brain.

[McKim]

38. Yeah and Maybe She....

Yes and maybe she was too shrill, too aggressive, too angry, too schoolmarmy, her clothes, her hair, her makeup, her not being home and cooking and serving dinner, was she a bad mother for working outside the home? Was she fat? Was she too focused on “womens issues”? Was she not tough enough to command an army? Was she too nice? Yuk!!!!!!

[Bettie]

46. And the final question

was she "fuckable"?

Got that one from my idiot brother, he figures that the problem is that no Democratic woman is sexually desirable, therefore, no "real" man will vote for them.

Have I mentioned that he is an idiot? He was discussing this on Facebook with my equally idiotic cousin. They were laughing at the "hags". I have now blocked both of them.

I'm done with tolerance and accepting that their views are different. They are racist, misogynist pieces of garbage and I'm done with all of them.

[BlueMTexpat]

83. Personally, I LOVE

your woman brain! And you are NOT silly!

[Bettie]

84. :) I'll admit to being

silly sometimes.

But aren't we all.

Thanks for the smile and the support.

[Stallion]

19. Those Type of Comments are So pre-2008-Just Stop It

I'd bet most Democrats have voted for a minority or woman at just about every level of state or federal government over the last 12 years. Most are looking for the best candidate.

[StarfishSaver]

39. It's possible that many (probably not most) have voted for A minority or woman at some point in

their lives. Big whoop.

On the other hand, the overwhelming majority of votes cast by most, if not all, black and female Democratic voters have been cast for white people and men.

As a black female Democrat, I am very weary of white voters acting as if they should get a medal because they voted for a person of color one or a few times, when black people consistently vote for white candidates over and over and over without expecting a pat on on the back.

[Stallion]

49. A Few Times?

Obama 08
Obama 12
Clinton 16

In Dallas Texas I just voted for a Black Senatorial candidate in Royce West
2016 our district elected the first Black Democrat US Representative in generations in Colin Allred-voted for him again on Tuesday. I voted for the current Black Mayor in the past year. Voted for more minorities and/or women this election primary day than I did Caucasians. Minorities and women control most judgeships and just about every county-wide post in both Dallas and Harris County (Houston). I'm not sure right now but Houston has had an LGBT women mayor in the very recent past. Previously Dallas has voted in Ron Kirk as Mayor of Dallas-in addition we have 10 minorities or woman on the City Council v 4 who aren't although another is Jewish. I voted for Biden because he's the best and probably only Democratic candidate who will likely be able to flip the key states Democrats need to win the Presidency in 2020

Maybe its a metropolitan thing but the candidates running and winning more races than Caucasians are women and minorities. That's the reality of voting Democrat in a Big City these days

Democratic voters have shown that they will elect candidates of all colors, races and genders-Republicans not so much

[StarfishSaver]

55. You've mentioned fewer than 10 minority and female candidates you've voted for

Yes - that's a "few."

And interestingly, you point to elections of minorities in big cities as some kind of proof that white voters are willing to "elect candidates of all colors, races and genders" - completely ignoring the fact that those victories are largely the result of the large number of minority voters in those areas. I suspect that if we had to rely solely on white Democratic votes, minorities wouldn't fare so well.

That's my point. Black voters consistently vote for white candidates. But white voters are not nearly as willing to vote for minority candidates - and when minority candidates win, it's usually because black voters put them over the top.

Sorry, but I'm not giving white Democrats a participation medal because they sometimes vote for minority and female candidates - our party still has a long way to go to even the playing field.

[Stallion]

64. I voted for over 20 Women or Minorities just 2 Days Ago in North Dallas

….which is a very prestigious area in Dallas

I hadn't voted for a Caucasin Man for President in 16 years
current US Senate candidate
current US Representative
2/3rd of the candidates I voted for 2 days ago were women and minorities

What are you talking about-I'd bet this is very common for every Democrat voting in a Metropolitan area-even in the more affluent areas

[StarfishSaver]

66. OK

Nothing to see here. You are proof that Democrats have overcome racism and sexism.

[hangaleft]

69. I don't give myself a medal for anything and I don't have to defend myself to anyone

Nor do I take issue with the points you’ve made.

This is only my second post since Warren withdrew, but I said in my first and I’ll say it in all of my posts (which will be few) in this forum — don’t let the bottom of this post mislead you, my candidate of preference remains Elizabeth Warren.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

67. Amen

[cwydro]

20. That goes for many of us white women too.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

25. .

[LizBeth]

26. This. I am feeling the same.

[yaesu]

27. Warren is not gone, not by a long shot, she will be a big part of any Democratic administration nt

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

58. No question!! A VERY big part... as President Sanders' VP!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[Recursion]

70. Warren as VP is a non-starter because of Charlie Baker

He'd get to appoint her replacement

[TexasTowelie]

75. I don't think Warren would accept the position if it was offered to her.

Whatever synergy that they had between them was destroyed by the actions of some of his supporters and Bernie failing to condemn those actions. Warren has more influence remaining as a senator than moving into the executive branch under either Biden or Sanders.

[ancianita]

28. They're like: "There, there, you'll get used to it."

No. WE WON'T.

MERE EQUALITY is what patriarchalists will NOT stand for.

[Kaleva]

29. Is she mad at the women who voted for Biden or Sanders?

[Bettie]

50. She's mad at the many, many men out there who

began demanding that all women who supported Warren throw their support immediately behind their candidate of choice.

As if we were just waiting for the men to tell us what to do.

What she means is that maybe we need time to get our heads around it all, knowing that it really, truly doesn't matter which woman it is, she'll forever be "not THAT woman".

[Kaleva]

85. It appears that a majority of women had already swtiched to Bernie or Biden by Super Tuesday

And they did it on their own and the results of Super Tuesday was the reason Warren dropped out.

If Warren had gotten about the same percentage of the female vote as Biden or Sanders have gotten, she'll probably still be in the race.

[Hortensis]

31. Lol. I've always felt that way.

And always regretted some strong woman didn't make that waving that dissing hand at her or jabbing that index finger in her face a bad mistake. A little...definitive housebreaking by just one of many could have put a stop to it years ago.

[ismnotwasm]

35. My millennial daughter reposted that

Women of all ages are aware, and there’s no going back

[Laura PourMeADrink]

60. So exactly why does any Biden supporter whenever they join post

Something that calls a Dem who happens to be older and white neither by choice less qualified??

This post should be self-deleted.

[AncientGeezer]

62. As Democrats we have to do better....

This is on us.....only us.

[Faux pas]

63. Sad but

TRUE

[Hekate]

65. Fan-effing-tastick statement of FACT. Bejayzus, people, give some time for genuine grief & anger.

I hope everyone on this board caught Rachel Maddow's interview with Senator Warren tonight. It was heartbreaking, but she WILL persist.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

68. Of course, if she gets a better advisor. I don't care if shes

Black, brown, yellow, purple, male, female, or anything in between... she needs someone to advise her. She is absolutely positively more brilliant than any human who has ever ran for office. Her recall of information and detail is phenomenal and unrivaled.

Yet, she scared people and was always on 10 instead of mixing it with 2s occasionally. Always yelling about how horrible big business was. Well, there are millions who actually work in big business. There are millions who want incremental, responsible change toward a great objective in the future like everyone having health care. People may want the ultimate goal but they also want responsible transition.

Someone needs to repackage her brilliance.

[mdelaguna]

77. My thoughts exactly (as an intellectual female close to her age)

.... well said. And heck, Hillary won last time except for the unconscionable election tampering by the side that cheats.

[BlueMTexpat]

71. Absolutely this!

I will not endorse either one.

When it comes time for me to vote in the MD primary (I have opted to do this rather than vote in the Global Primary for Americans Abroad because we pay taxes in MD as well and I am very interested in state and local elections there), there will be two things that will guide my primary choice.

1) whichever one I trust more
2) whichever one is married to a woman who will return grace, class and inspiration to the tarnished office of First Lady

Using these criteria, you can probably guess which candidate will be my choice.

Because, heartsick as I am, I must choose.

[LizBeth]

72. I loved your posts. !!!

[BlueMTexpat]

82. As I did yours and all

those by Warren believers!

I STILL am a Warren believer. But this time, it apparently was not to be.

[treestar]

74. All white men being always disqualified

Just gives the right weapons to use against us. Liberal white men do not have to be discriminated against to make up for it. Warren being more qualified than Biden and Bernie is a stretch.

[beachbumbob]

76. idealogues and their banter when they think we are the FOOLS

geeze louise to hear nonsense that biden is less qualified than warren makes be question how smart these people/women are in the first place

[dmr]

81. That is one nasty & insulting statement

"... less-qualified white man seems to hate us least."

Least hate? Really?