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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,985 posts)
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 02:30 PM Mar 2020

Sandernistas Use the Trump Playbook to Paint Biden as Senile

With little time to reverse the course of the Democratic primary, leftist and independent-minded critics of Joe Biden have ramped up insinuations about the former vice president’s mental state, going so far as to insist that the matter will doom the party in the general election.

The attacks are remarkable not just for the degree they copy the current Republican playbook against Biden but for how they take a topic that was taboo in past cycles and—without any verification—make it a centerpiece of efforts to blunt his momentum. Coming after the former VP wrested the lead from Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) following the primaries on Super Tuesday, it suggests that the closing chapter of the Democratic primary could turn into a deeply personal and politically nasty affair.

Indeed, some Sanders supporters have been blunt about their desire to gin up chatter about Biden’s mental state to derail him. In an episode of the popular leftist podcast Chapo Traphouse released Thursday, the hosts openly discussed how best to use the “senility” attack against the former vice president.

“I’m sorry, he’s senile... his brain is not all there,” Chapo co-host Will Menaker said.

https://news.yahoo.com/biden-leftist-critics-trump-y-000021616.html

My mother went senile. Joe isn't even close to that.

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Sandernistas Use the Trump Playbook to Paint Biden as Senile (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2020 OP
To be expected for the duration....nt 2naSalit Mar 2020 #1
From the guy who walked onto the wrong jet frazzled Mar 2020 #2
+1 betsuni Mar 2020 #9
Biden isn't senile Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #14
A long-time DUer posted a video entitled "17 minutes of Biden's brain melting" this morning. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #3
Post removed Post removed Mar 2020 #4
Like Trump, they've blown their credibility. C_U_L8R Mar 2020 #5
This is why after tomorrow if there is another Biden rout Bernie needs to pack it in onetexan Mar 2020 #6
Might take another week. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #7
I disagree jmowreader Mar 2020 #8
I doubt it because he has already said he will support Joe Biden if he wins. aikoaiko Mar 2020 #11
He's not going to do that. Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #13
No reason for him to do that. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #15
Think back to 2016 jmowreader Mar 2020 #18
The math doesn't work. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #19
I am supporting Biden but far from first choice. I am seeing no signs of senility. What we see with LizBeth Mar 2020 #10
This not coming from Sander's campaign. aikoaiko Mar 2020 #12
I saw this idea floated in the FB US Democratic Socialists group a few days ago apnu Mar 2020 #21
This will be debunked by the next debate Tom Rinaldo Mar 2020 #16
So are saying you think Joe is Senile? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2020 #17
The opposite, I think. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #20
Correct Tom Rinaldo Mar 2020 #22
 

2naSalit

(86,612 posts)
1. To be expected for the duration....nt
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 02:31 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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frazzled

(18,402 posts)
2. From the guy who walked onto the wrong jet
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 02:34 PM
Mar 2020

the other day. And, for lack of ability to formulate new ideas, gives the same stump speech no matter what the context, or what novel question is asked at a debate. Also thinks he is living in 1934 and 1971, simultaneously.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Turin_C3PO

(13,991 posts)
14. Biden isn't senile
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 08:14 AM
Mar 2020

and neither is Bernie. But Trump probably is.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
3. A long-time DUer posted a video entitled "17 minutes of Biden's brain melting" this morning.
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 02:37 PM
Mar 2020

Last edited Tue Mar 10, 2020, 09:52 AM - Edit history (1)

We're going to see some people intentionally flaming out, and DU will get the blame, just like last time. Some are doing so already. It's childish and unproductive, but that's just the nature of some people.

That's why "unity" will never be 100% successful. We have to work with the vast majority and probably just ignore the worst of it to win in November.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

 

C_U_L8R

(45,002 posts)
5. Like Trump, they've blown their credibility.
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 02:41 PM
Mar 2020
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onetexan

(13,041 posts)
6. This is why after tomorrow if there is another Biden rout Bernie needs to pack it in
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 02:44 PM
Mar 2020

so his rabid team won't create any more fodder for the GOP going into the GE. This is exactly what Bernie Bros did to Hillary. It's gotta stop.

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TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
7. Might take another week.
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 02:53 PM
Mar 2020

If he can't make up any ground on the 10th and 17th, I think he'll bow out. Another week won't matter, plus the more convincing Biden's win is, the better off we'll be for the convention and onward.

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jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
8. I disagree
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 04:20 AM
Mar 2020

Sanders' intent is to steal the nomination. I believe he will show up in Milwaukee with a message for the DNC: take the nomination away from Joe Biden and give it to me, or I will have all my followers vote for Trump specifically to destroy your party.

If he does, I want him expelled from the Senate Democratic Caucus.

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aikoaiko

(34,170 posts)
11. I doubt it because he has already said he will support Joe Biden if he wins.
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 08:09 AM
Mar 2020
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Undecided
 

Turin_C3PO

(13,991 posts)
13. He's not going to do that.
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 08:13 AM
Mar 2020

He’s stated several times he’ll support Biden if he gets the nomination. No reason to doubt him, I think.

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TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
15. No reason for him to do that.
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 09:56 AM
Mar 2020

If current projections hold, Biden will have a solid majority, and that's the end of it. Sanders can't (and isn't going to) demand the nomination, because once the first ballot is done, it's over. His only chance was to go in with a plurality.

He's certainly not going to say his supporters are going to vote for Trump. He may be frustrated and disappointed, but there's still a line. That line stops with Trump.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
18. Think back to 2016
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 12:26 PM
Mar 2020

He went to the convention to attempt to flip superdelegates. This year’s theme is “the front runner is too damn old and sick to be president so give it to me” (leaving out the part where Sanders is older than Biden and has more health problems).

If I were to vote in a presidential
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TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
19. The math doesn't work.
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 12:36 PM
Mar 2020

Based on current projections, there aren't enough superdelegates to give him the nomination, even if they all voted for him. He's projected to lose by about 1,000 delegates. There are only 775 SDs. First-ballot, end of story. SDs won't even come into play.

He's also spent the entire campaign saying that the person with the most delegates should win the nomination, doubling-down on it after Nevada, so it's unlikely anyone is going to take him seriously if he throws a fit.

I get what you're saying, but the situation is very different from 2016. Biden is likely going to have an even larger majority than Clinton did, anti-Hillary sentiment isn't a factor, everyone outside of a few Sanders supporters see Trump as the common enemy, and there's going to be little or no tolerance for the same kind of nonsense we saw in 2016. I just don't see it happening.

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LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
10. I am supporting Biden but far from first choice. I am seeing no signs of senility. What we see with
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 04:38 AM
Mar 2020

Biden is not senility and there have been professionals stating such. I totally get the glitches Biden has. I am comfortable with him as President. So, this is disgusting that sanders is going with this. Hey, lets go after his heart attack, that is at least real.

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aikoaiko

(34,170 posts)
12. This not coming from Sander's campaign.
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 08:11 AM
Mar 2020

I noticed you substituted Sandernistas for leftists in the title of the article and made it your title.
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apnu

(8,756 posts)
21. I saw this idea floated in the FB US Democratic Socialists group a few days ago
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 12:41 PM
Mar 2020

Its pretty active group, its hard to find anything after a few hours with them, I can't say if they took it down or not, but I saw it go by. Many Sanders people were seriously discussing this thought in terms of "better do it now before Trump does it" It was really gross to observe.

Most of the Sanders people in my personal circle are appalled that anybody who believes in Sander's message would go in this direction, but I witnessed it first hand.

I've often wondered how much of Sanders supporters are actually right-wing (or Russian) pot stirring and how much of it is legit.

What I do see, however, when such obviously wrong things appear, few in the Sanders world pushing back and policing their own. I don't get that.

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Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
16. This will be debunked by the next debate
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 09:59 AM
Mar 2020

When Bernie and Joe go one on one for 90 minutes. This is an important debate for that reason alone. No one will be able to make such claims after watching Joe take on Bernie.

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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,985 posts)
17. So are saying you think Joe is Senile?
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 10:44 AM
Mar 2020

Where did you go to med school?

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TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
20. The opposite, I think.
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 12:39 PM
Mar 2020

He's asserting that the next debate will debunk the nonsense about Joe's "senility". I agree.

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Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
22. Correct
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 01:34 PM
Mar 2020

I think it is nonsense, and that type of nonsense won't hold up to scrutiny when people can see for themselves how Joe performs in that setting. Joe may or may not supposedly "win" the debate, but to debunk this line of attack on him, Biden simply has to "keep it together" on stage, which he way more than will.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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