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MelissaB

(16,420 posts)
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 01:10 PM Mar 2020

Bidens Cognitive Decline is a piece of propaganda intended to splinter the left


Clinton Vet warns Biden: Don't let Trump define you as senile.



Thread) #BidensCognitiveDecline is a piece of propaganda intended to splinter the left

Recap:

Last week Trump lied about Joe Biden's cognitive abilities. He said, "There's something going on" and started listing instances in which Biden garbled words.





1/ On Saturday on Twitter, people started telling me that there was irrefutable evidence that Joe Biden was in cognitive decline. They told me that the evidence was apparent in Biden’s talk in Kansas City. So I found a local Kansas City news station which had a video of the talk.

2/ Next we learned that a list of Bernie Sanders Campaign talking points was (supposedly) distributed to his followers. The talking points included the statement that Joe Biden was in cognitive decline.

https://newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-campaign-denies-involvement-memo-circulating-about-joe-bidens-obvious-mental-1490513

The Sanders campaign denied that it was theirs.




3/ Next we learned that Trump’s campaign dishonestly edited a clip late Saturday night, and a version was tweeted by White House social media director Dan Scavino.

The clip viewed was more than 5.8 million times and retweeted more than 34,000 times as of Sunday morning at 10 AM.

4/ There was much reporting about the edited clip, who distributed it. Here's one example:

https://cnn.com/2020/03/08/politics/fact-check-trump-campaign-promote-edited-biden-video/index.html

Notice what a neat trick Trump pulled, and how efficient it was.

5/ Here is a sampling of the large accounts that spread the lie.

As everyone on Twitter knows, a great many Bernie Sanders followers jumped on the lie.

This continued after the information was released that videos were being doctored.




6/ Joe Biden has a stutter. Over the weekend a great many speech therapists jumped on to explain stutters, how difficult they are to work around, and how well Biden does managing his.

A part of Trump's trick was getting ordinarily compassionate people to mock a disability.

7/ I tried to warn people over the weekend that when Sanders supporters spread this lie, they were making Sanders look bad.

Many Biden's supporters have met him in person recently. People are with Biden all day. They know the truth.

Spreading this lie hurts Sanders.


8/ There is no doubt about this
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Arrow pointing rightwards then curving downwards


Real people like Jill Stein continue to push this.

Now let's consider what Trump was able to do and accomplish with incredible efficiency.

9/ Trump spread a lie. He made it sound like it was coming from Team Sanders. Sanders supporters take the bait and spread the lie. Bots push the hashtag.

Trump managed to:
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Spread the lie about Biden
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Make Sanders supporters look bad
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Get Democrats fighting each other

10/ win-win-win. Trump wins. Everyone else loses. He did this by simply editing a video and launching a whisper campaign.

Let's consider how clever this lie is.

People who hear it feel a nagging doubt. (I went and listened to the full Kansas City talk). . .

11/ Any slight misstep, any ripple in Biden's ordinarily calm surface, any evidence of stutter will cause people to think "but. . ."
This is what the GOP did with "her emails."

There as no crime. There was nothing wrong. But when you repeat something often enough, people wonder.

12/ Consider how easy it was: Doctor a video, tweet it out, and watch it go viral.

People worry about lots of things on Twitter. They worry about hackers flipping votes. They worry about Trump cancelling the election. They worry about Trump refusing to concede power if he loses.

13/ Meanwhile, the real worry is right here before our eyes and people fall for it.

On line disinformation campaigns are dangerous and efficient.

If you don't want Biden to be the nominee, talks about the virtues of other candidates. Don't spread this crap.

Do this right.


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Bidens Cognitive Decline is a piece of propaganda intended to splinter the left (Original Post) MelissaB Mar 2020 OP
Anyone who saw Biden's interview with Lawrence O'Donnell Mr.Bill Mar 2020 #1
But both Gray and Sirota took about a 35-second clip of it and posted it all over twitter.... George II Mar 2020 #5
Watching Joe, PatSeg Mar 2020 #8
I was married to a man who stuttered. Smartest man I've ever known. nolabear Mar 2020 #15
Yes, his energy is extraordinary PatSeg Mar 2020 #20
Some Sanders supporters and staff seem to think the smears will help Sanders. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #2
What fools DownriverDem Mar 2020 #16
The losing seems to have clouded their PatSeg Mar 2020 #21
It's being pushed by Sirota and Gray on twitter. George II Mar 2020 #3
With Bernie's blessing. showblue22 Mar 2020 #6
What will they say DownriverDem Mar 2020 #18
Bernie will say showblue22 Mar 2020 #19
The system is rigged PatSeg Mar 2020 #22
Briahna Joy Gray, National Press Secretary for the Bernie Sanders 2020 comradebillyboy Mar 2020 #4
They only do what Bernie wants them to do. showblue22 Mar 2020 #7
+1. He knows exactly what's going on. dalton99a Mar 2020 #9
Maybe Bernie doesn't know? Perhaps HE is the one who's senile? MH1 Mar 2020 #25
She has zero integrity. NurseJackie Mar 2020 #28
trump making that argument, barbtries Mar 2020 #10
and Bernie showblue22 Mar 2020 #12
not to mention barbtries Mar 2020 #13
I don't know. . . here's a terrible example of a Presidential candidate's cognitive decline. Bleacher Creature Mar 2020 #11
Beyond the fact that there are many long interviews where he has answered karynnj Mar 2020 #14
This issue has been posted several times on DU..why continue to repost? Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #17
Trump projection as usual liberalmediaaddict Mar 2020 #23
Yeah, yeah. It won't bother the independents one bit. They hate intellectuals. McCamy Taylor Mar 2020 #24
Post removed Post removed Mar 2020 #26
only stupid people believe it and they are trump*ers anyway samnsara Mar 2020 #27
 

Mr.Bill

(24,284 posts)
1. Anyone who saw Biden's interview with Lawrence O'Donnell
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 01:15 PM
Mar 2020

last night knows Biden has no problems in this area. The interview was unedited and shown in it's entirety. Joe didn't even stutter and was perfectly coherent.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
5. But both Gray and Sirota took about a 35-second clip of it and posted it all over twitter....
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 01:27 PM
Mar 2020

....this morning, cutting off the jist of his answer about "vetoing" a healthcare bill, claiming he would veto "medicare for all". What he was saying was he'd veto a bill that didn't go into effect fast enough.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

PatSeg

(47,419 posts)
8. Watching Joe,
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 01:29 PM
Mar 2020

it often feels like his mind gets ahead of his mouth and sometimes a slight trace of the old stutter starts to show. Apparently, it is something that most people never get over entirely. I know the feeling of having many complex ideas in my head, but my mouth just won't cooperate.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

nolabear

(41,960 posts)
15. I was married to a man who stuttered. Smartest man I've ever known.
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 01:53 PM
Mar 2020

Not the easiest to get along with, but that’s another story. But I watched his frustration as he had to try to talk around words he knew would trip him, and with the instant reaction of others when he stuttered in front of them. I’m deeply impressed that Joe has conquered it so well, and can spot the slightly rambling style of someone who has to say things a little sideways to be able to say them at all. I don’t know how he has the energy. But I’m glad he does.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

PatSeg

(47,419 posts)
20. Yes, his energy is extraordinary
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 02:16 PM
Mar 2020

Since his son Beau died, I've noticed a certain sadness that wasn't there before. I think the loss took a lot out of him, slowed him down a tad, but didn't knock him down. As he always says, he got back up, just a bit slower, but still got up.

I think the success of this campaign is energizing him. Until South Carolina, I think his confidence was waning, but now he's coming back. After his decades of dedicated service, he deserves this.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
2. Some Sanders supporters and staff seem to think the smears will help Sanders.
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 01:21 PM
Mar 2020

Suppose any of them even consider the possibility that they're part of the reason he's losing and part of the reason his approval ratings are tanking?

Yeah, me neither.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DownriverDem

(6,228 posts)
16. What fools
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 01:54 PM
Mar 2020

All 3 are in their 70s. What a petty way to go.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

PatSeg

(47,419 posts)
21. The losing seems to have clouded their
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 02:18 PM
Mar 2020

vision and good sense. Now they are just throwing anything and everything against the wall, hoping something will stick. It will end up damaging their candidate's reputation and their political futures.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
3. It's being pushed by Sirota and Gray on twitter.
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 01:24 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

showblue22

(1,026 posts)
6. With Bernie's blessing.
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 01:27 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DownriverDem

(6,228 posts)
18. What will they say
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 01:55 PM
Mar 2020

when they hear Joe giving his Michigan victory speech tonight?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

showblue22

(1,026 posts)
19. Bernie will say
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 02:02 PM
Mar 2020

Besides the primaries result, he still is the candidate with enthusiasm to bring out voters to win. Young people, new voters are still with him and it is he not Joe who could win a GE. That is what he will say. He will also ratchet UP and down the negativity. This is not my first rodeo with him.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

PatSeg

(47,419 posts)
22. The system is rigged
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 02:20 PM
Mar 2020

The DNC picked our candidate. The establishment........blah, blah, blah. I seriously don't expect anyone to accept the loss graciously, which is truly sad.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

comradebillyboy

(10,144 posts)
4. Briahna Joy Gray, National Press Secretary for the Bernie Sanders 2020
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 01:25 PM
Mar 2020

presidential campaign has been cheerfully spreading this slander.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

showblue22

(1,026 posts)
7. They only do what Bernie wants them to do.
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 01:28 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

dalton99a

(81,475 posts)
9. +1. He knows exactly what's going on.
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 01:35 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MH1

(17,600 posts)
25. Maybe Bernie doesn't know? Perhaps HE is the one who's senile?
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 06:30 PM
Mar 2020

I mean, how could he not know what his key staff are doing so openly on social media?

Unless, of course, the brain is going ...






If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
28. She has zero integrity.
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 07:01 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

barbtries

(28,789 posts)
10. trump making that argument,
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 01:38 PM
Mar 2020

when he's on his last legs, zoned out on drugs, clearly demented, wow.

propaganda in the US is Rwanda-level, i swear.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

showblue22

(1,026 posts)
12. and Bernie
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 01:40 PM
Mar 2020

Every question asked at any and every venue is answered with a stump speech he has been repeating for 40 years.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

barbtries

(28,789 posts)
13. not to mention
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 01:44 PM
Mar 2020

he had a heart attack already! nobody should be allowed to forget that, and the implications for his future longevity.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Bleacher Creature

(11,256 posts)
11. I don't know. . . here's a terrible example of a Presidential candidate's cognitive decline.
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 01:40 PM
Mar 2020



Oh wait, nevermind.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
14. Beyond the fact that there are many long interviews where he has answered
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 01:47 PM
Mar 2020

questions that he likely had no canned answers for, he is clearly very competent.

However, for ANY Democrat, I would point to the endorsements from his former competitors - people who saw him up close. I seriously doubt that they and people like John Kerry would have endorsed him and then spent as much time as they have campaigning with and for him. This was - in many cases before the choices were narrowed to 2 - and many spoke of their admiration of others running. I seriously doubt that they all would do this if they had any concerns.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Thekaspervote

(32,762 posts)
17. This issue has been posted several times on DU..why continue to repost?
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 01:54 PM
Mar 2020

Even thou you are not saying there’s an issue it only further propagates the lies

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

liberalmediaaddict

(766 posts)
23. Trump projection as usual
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 06:24 PM
Mar 2020

He did the same thing to Hillary in 2016. He projects his own faults onto other people.

Trump is in horrible shape physically, has obvious cognitive decline possibly due to frontotemporal dementia and is a crazy narcissist.

So when he calls Biden sleeoy and senile and Bernie crazy he's trying to distract voters and the media from his own medical problems.

Biden isn't as articulate as Obama or the Clintons. And he makes verbal gaffes. However I think that's why people like him. Personally I like his character, empathy and passion. He's the complete opposite of the repugnant conman currently in the White House.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
24. Yeah, yeah. It won't bother the independents one bit. They hate intellectuals.
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 06:29 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to MelissaB (Original post)

 

samnsara

(17,622 posts)
27. only stupid people believe it and they are trump*ers anyway
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 06:43 PM
Mar 2020

..soooooo let them eat cake...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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