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Related: About this forumOh my! Bernie Sanders Raises $10 Million in Less Than a Week
No wonder there is all this talk about jets
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/25/us/politics/bernie-sanders-10-million.html
By Shane Goldmacher
Feb. 25, 2019
A clutch of advisers to Senator Bernie Sanders began arriving at the Capitol Hill townhouse that served as his makeshift headquarters before dawn last Tuesday, where they readied themselves to track, among other things, the deluge of donations that would land after Mr. Sanders made his presidential campaign official.
As the team snacked on doughnuts that Jeff Weaver, Mr. Sanderss 2016 campaign manager, had brought for launch day, one laptop screen showed a map of the United States. It would light up with an orange dot every time someone gave with the location of each donation.
Within minutes of the 7 a.m. announcement, the whole screen was glowing orange, according to people in the room.
By Monday, after less than a week as a presidential candidate, Mr. Sanders has collected $10 million from 359,914 donors, campaign officials said. But perhaps just as daunting a figure for his rivals is this: Nearly 39 percent of those donors used an email address that had never before been used to give to Mr. Sanders.
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CentralMass
(15,265 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Join the revolution!!!
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Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)That means some very wealthy people are funding him. For a reason. And that reason is not helpful to Democrats.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)24 hour mark 220,000 supporters had donated $6 million. I donated the famous $27 contribution myself.
If you do the math on that first 24 hours:
$6,000,000 / 220,000 = ~$27 per contributor.
At the $10 million mark:
$ 10,000,000 / 359,914 = $27.78 per contributor.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)You can calculate an average. But people don't donate averages. There are usually big moneyed donors at the top, and a lot of small donations at the bottom ($5, $10).
There are donors who have contributed thousands, I guarantee you.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)359,914 contributors.
Bernie has an army and Ill bet a box donoughts that my assumption is accurate. Many small donation that averaged his famous $27 per contributor.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Of COURSE not all people donated the same or similar amount. The history and common sense of donations says that.
There are always big donations at the top, and a lot of small donations at the bottom. You can always calculate an average or get a median. That tells you something. But it does not tell you how many donors donated over $1k or how many donated $50, and so on.
If I have a basket of stocks that pay dividends, my average yield might be 5%. That would include a couple that pay 10%, several paying 6% and 8%, and a group paying 2% or 3%.
If you contribute $10, and I donate $2, the average donation is $6. Neither of us donated $6.
That's just the reality of things.
Who the big donors are will be interesting to find out.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)that goes out to the hundreds of thousands of us signed up for his campaign asks for $27. It is no mistake that the contribution average $27.
I signed up at his campaign rally out here in Portland Oregon in 2016. There were 28,000 of us at that rally.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)As for your sensible, logical comment, high school statistics would prove you out.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MsLeopard
(1,265 posts)but $10m divided by 360k donors is an average of $27 each. Like last time, Bernie has great grass roots support. No telling how it will play out, but its a good start.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)There are big donations, and then a lot of small ones. There would be a lot of $5, $10 donations, and there would be donations in the thousands, to reach $10Million.
You can calculate an average, and you can figure out the median. That's helpful information, but that doesn't reflect the amounts of the donations.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)....didn't do so in 100 separate donations of $27 each. In the past he's had donors who have made over 900 individual donations.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)But yes, that's what that means.
Having big donors is not a sin. Being a millionaire is not a sin, either.
He has a big, young set of supporters who can't contribute much, if anything. And having a large young set of supporters is good.
He is all of these things. He is human. But there's no need to try to say that he only gets small donations, and things like that.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)I'm speaking to those who misunderstand what "average donation" is.
You donate $10. I donate $2. The average donation is $6. But neither person donated $6.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)An individual can give 100 "small" donations of $27 each and meet the FEC maximum of $2700. It's been done in the past.
One donor, $2700.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
WordsMatter
(80 posts)That saying something. Here is an important quote from the article (that the OP also included):
For Mr. Sanders, the flood of money from fresh email addresses suggested to his team that he was dramatically expanding a donor network that had already dwarfed his 2020 competition.
Our second day, said Ari Rabin-Havt, a senior adviser to Mr. Sanders, was bigger than anybody elses first day.
Amazing!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)In the past he's had many multiple donors, some with as many as 900 donations each.
To put it simply, including that person in a sampling, if he got 1,000 donations he would have had only 101 donors.
I think we should wait to see the details of his first quarter FEC filing.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)If he bought first class donuts instead of plain old Dunkin Donuts, I see major issues for his campaign.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,327 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
denverbill
(11,489 posts)39% hadn't donated before, at least with that email address?
I didn't give him money this week, after finding out we'll now owe $2K from the Republican tax increase. But I definitely will when we are able.
Pretty amazing about the whole 'jets' controversy isn't it? The same people who bad-mouthed him during the last primary, then accused him of not campaigning enough for Hillary, and ever since have blamed him for her loss, are now complaining about him using a private jet to campaign for her.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)I wonder when they'll be reported.
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disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)Ur right.. the smears always fly when good news comes out..
The big Town Hall on CNN in about 20 mins must also be a thorn in the side of the h8 percent..
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Uncle Joe
(58,362 posts)Thanks for the thread Hassin Bin Sober.
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littlemissmartypants
(22,656 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,362 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Shemp Howard
(889 posts)"Bernie Sanders Raises $10 Million in Less Than a Week"
All you never-Bernie people, you need to be quick to counter this. Just say:
But Bernie is not really a Democrat because in (fill in some year) he didn't (fill in some activity). It doesn't matter how true the statement is.
For example, you could say: But Bernie is not really a Democrat because in 1970 he didn't donate to the LBJ library.
See? It's easy.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
RandySF
(58,823 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)he should get his money from Billionaires and Banks ,quit taking advantage of the poor.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
RandySF
(58,823 posts)A lot of college kids gave every penny they had.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)Isn't that the banks job. Damn that Bernie always screwing with the banks profits.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,327 posts)Exactly!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
msongs
(67,405 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LakeArenal
(28,817 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DownriverDem
(6,228 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
yardwork
(61,608 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SHRED
(28,136 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DownriverDem
(6,228 posts)join the Democratic Party yet? I only support Democratic Party members.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)He is a Russian Bot
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BannonsLiver
(16,387 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)he didn't register as a Democrat. Which means he can't win. But he can prevent the Democrat from winning.
Unless he registers as a Democrat.
Even then, I'm pretty sure he can't win. Independents and Moderate Democrats won't vote for a socialist, IMO.
Are there any third party candidates yet?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Is that just a coincidence.?
I don;t have a dog in this race, yet... so just asking ...
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Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)But donation amounts don't work that way...averaged out.
There are big donors...then a lot of little donors ($5, $10). You can average it out, but the reality is that people/PACs give varying amounts.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
pangaia
(24,324 posts)I seem to remember in the 2016 primary one of the candidates for something was indicating that their average donation was $27. It just stuck in my head. I thought maybe it was some special number.
I know there are big and small donors.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Autumn
(45,084 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
pangaia
(24,324 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
sacto95834
(393 posts)The email from Bernie asked for $27 as a contribution to the revolution. If I remember correctly its the default amount when you log into actblue. You can of course change it to a smaller or larger amount, but I suspect most went with what he asked for.
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Politicub
(12,165 posts)Hes not going to want for campaign funds.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)The last time bought him a nice little mansion. He can upgrade or redecorate, or get a villa in France.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
vsrazdem
(2,177 posts)was because one of his wife's parents passed away and left her their house. She sold that and they bought a different house with those funds. If you are implying that Bernie is a billionaire that is just not true.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Anyone who is fairly successful at running for President becomes wealthy (or wealthier). He becomes nationally known and can command good fees for speaking engagements, there are book deals, and all sorts of perks.
So if he used funds from inheritance to buy the house, that just freed up his own money to be used for something else. He's a millionaire, after all. I suspect they all are.
(He got a book deal out of the last run for President....he made a LOT of money from that.)
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
vsrazdem
(2,177 posts)Does that mean she will be a millionaire and out of touch. No it doesn't. It is just another talking point so people can criticize Bernie. I understand if you don't like him or his policies. But yes lets be real, most of the people in congress have a lot of money.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Running for President is not always an altruistic act for the so-called good of the country. If someone is fairly successful, he or she stands to gain big-time. That explains why people keep running for President, even though he keeps losing. Thar's gold in them thar hills.
Bernie is no different. He is human, like everyone else. (and a capitalist?)
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
vsrazdem
(2,177 posts)If he runs again, it is not because he needs to dig for gold. It is because he feels he can do something for the country.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)He's near the end of his life. He wants a legacy. He desperately wants to be President. IMO, he thinks he'd be a good President and should have been President.
But he also could use the money. He hasn't become as wealthy as most of the others in Congress. I don't think he cashed in on his prior runs for President...maybe because he didn't run successfully. He never even got close.
I don't question that once most candidates are in office, they think they would be good for the country and would do their best to that end. But the reason some of the ones who run keep running...is that they gain from it,if they are successful at it. I think that's why Trump ran a couple of times. It increased his brand and made him money. He became a household name.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
CrossingTheRubicon
(731 posts)and after Jane had the college pay her daughter $500,000 to teach woodworking.
If anyone one else engaged in such cronyism and from such "golden parachute" I suspect BS would be apoplectic.
The whole affair stinks.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
vsrazdem
(2,177 posts)I was impressed that she was there, putting aside what had happened to her mom, a former administrator said. She was really matter-of-fact about the deal. She said, I never dealt with my mom, anyway. My relationship was always with Christine. Its really nothing different.
The largely flattering NEASC report notes that, in 2011, the woodworking school was self-supporting and generated net income for the college.
Leopold argued the program was a net gain and made the school more appealing at a time when administrators were seeking to boost enrollment.
If it was generating a net profit, no matter how small, then whats the problem? Leopold asked. The association with the woodworking school had an intangible benefit, and it expanded the offerings of the college.
Leopold said there was nothing improper and that board members were aware of the relationship between Sanders and Driscoll.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
seaglass
(8,171 posts)an advance from one of Bernie's books along with some savings that paid for the house.
I can understand the confusion as Jane was dishonest when first asked how the house was paid for.
https://vtdigger.org/2016/08/18/sanders-lake-home-purchase-leaves-questions-unanswered/
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)....to the brother for $150,000. They paid just shy of $600,000 for the North Hero house. Cash, no mortgage.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)These are big moneyed donors. Who are they?
The Democratic Party leaders have only themselves to blame.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,327 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
awesomerwb1
(4,268 posts)At least he didn't type a bunch of smilies like a few of them I've noticed like to do.
Eg/:
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
vsrazdem
(2,177 posts)That means possibly 39% were new donors. That is not saying it was the SAME single email address.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ZeroSomeBrains
(638 posts)I'm sure it all came in the form of rubles. At least that is what you would assume if you read DU all day. I wonder if the $27 I donated are being used on private jets. You know he's a socialist or something. He must never fly on a private plane.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,327 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Bernie must be running ahead of where he was in 2015 at this point in time!
The Bernie Revolution lives!!! ✊✊🏽✊🏿
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lapucelle
(18,258 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Devil Child
(2,728 posts)This in addition to the volunteer numbers combine for an impressive organizational boost.
Thanks for the update Hassin Bin Sober!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Now that hes a 1%er
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bernie42020
(22 posts)Some of the responses here? Let me make sure I'm at the correct site. I think someone might be playing with my bookmarks.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,327 posts)Stay positive.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
vsrazdem
(2,177 posts)I may have to take a break until the primaries are over.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
sacto95834
(393 posts)As someone once said, "Jesus, please save me from your followers."
Most of the people here are very nice and want to share thoughts and points of view and some are just bitter and have very little to share other than their point of view. Engage with the former and try not to let the latter bother you too much. Just like life in general.
Peace....
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Bernie42020
(22 posts)that many of these people have violated several terms of service by now. I didn't think a lot of this was allowed. Live and learn, eh?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
David__77
(23,401 posts)Im glad hes running and contributing a pro-peace message.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)!0 million bucks in the bank, one million volunteers.
I'd say Bernie is off to one hell of a great start!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
seaglass
(8,171 posts)Can't dispute that this is a lot of money in a short period of time.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
forklift
(401 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)Daunting a figure for his rivals.
It is not a daunting figure for his rivals. In June 2016
Jen Bush has raised 162 million dollars
Ted Cruz 158 million
Marco Rubio 125 million
Ben Carson 76 million
Cheeto 67 million and he had won the nomination.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/elections/election-2016-campaign-money-race.html
In politics votes matter more than money. My point is not to say this is bad for Sanders. Any candidate would rather have more money than their rivals at the start of the campaign but there is hyperbole in this article.
BTW isnt it shocking to see that Carson had out raised Cheeto in June 2016. I did not know that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden