Looks like David Sirota is giving BS Credit for the

[comradebillyboy]

portion of the Senate corona virus relief bill that provides salary coverage for laid off workers. Pretty amazing accomplishment for a guy who hasn't set foot in the Senate lately.

Link to tweet

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[NCProgressive]

1. That whole campaign is based upon lies and fantasies

[msongs]

2. did bernie vote on the bill. if so did he vote yes? nt

[Hortensis]

3. It's not what you know, it's what you can lie about.

The Sanders' camp's signature twist on Detective Alonzo Harris's instruction.

[The Magistrate]

9. That Was One Helluva Movie, Ma'am

And yes, people who can lie with untroubled mien and stance go a damn sight further than they ought to.



"Our great democracies still suffer under the delusion that a stupid man is more likely to be honest then a clever one, and therefore our politicians strive to appear stupider even than nature has made them."

[Blue_true]

38. "Training Day" was a very good movie.

Denzel had basically played boy scout rolls before that, always the good guy. There was doubt whether he could play a corrupt to the core mofo, he nailed it. In fact, he was so good that I was relieved when the Russian mobsters got to him.

[NurseJackie]

4. What baloney!

[BComplex]

5. God forbid someone say something nice about Bernie Sanders on DU!!!!

An entire new Bernie bashing thread is born.

[George II]

13. Is it "Bernie bashing" when it's pointed out that his Communications Director is lying about him?

[BComplex]

14. George, if you can't read the posts on this thread and ask if it's Bernie bashing,

then you don't get it anyway. And I sure can't explain it to you.

[George II]

16. Again, it's pointing out that David Sirota is lying about Sanders' involvement in the negotiations..

If his Communications Director didn't blatantly exaggerate and/or lie, this thread wouldn't even exist.

Have you nothing to say about what Sirota did?

[William769]

27. Just think cult.

[The Magistrate]

21. No One Doubts You Are Incapable Of Explaining Your Claim, Sir

My courteous inclination is to suppose the reason you cannot is that you are aware the claim is ridiculous, and understandably shrink from exposing yourself to the derision an attempt at convincing anyone it made sense would open you to.

Let us suppose for a moment 'Bernie' were a member of this forum, posting here. How long do you think it would take before his claims the 'Democratic Establishment' is corrupt, his charges the leading Democratic contender is senile and a determined enemy of Social Security, resulted in his account showing as 'flagged for review'? The Sanders campaign wouldn't last a weekend on this forum. Not because of any animus or bias against Sanders, but because 'Bernie's' conduct towards someone who disagrees with him violates ordinary standards of respect and comity, as well as rules against 'bashing' Democrats, and against echoing right-wing slander of Democrats.



"I should like to take you seriously, but doing so would be an affront to your intelligence."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

[Blue_true]

39. His campaign is passing off an untruth. To make the claim made throws mud into the faces of

the democratic Senators who worked their ass off to get the provision, and actually put their asses on the line to vote "No" on a bill until more for workers was added.

[DENVERPOPS]

17. I gotta say BC, he is bringing alot of it on himself lately

My wife has been a Bernie supporter since before the last election. Until about three weeks ago, she would rave about Bernie this, and Bernie that, etc etc.

About three weeks ago, she came into our den after hearing Bernie talking on TV and saying some seemingly desperate and nasty things about dems, including some dems that had already dropped out of the race.

She said she was voting for Biden, and that Bernie's rhetoric was beginning to sound like Trump talking.......she also said that she was sorry that the nation was going to have to listen to him for three months more before the convention.....

just saying

[Cha]

42. Wow.. Thank you fo that, Denver!

[LizBeth]

32. Done with Democrats working their ass off for us and Sanders coming up saying they are do nothing

and no better than Republicans and "establishment" not working for the working people. Democrats fighting Republicans for days while Sanders ass is in Vermont and then taking credit. Damn right Democrats are going to be pissed and call Sanders out.

[Cha]

40. Please stop deflecting.. Was BS part of the negotiations or Not?

[honest.abe]

6. I guess BS called that one in.

Of course no one else in Congress could have thought of that.

[Blue_true]

41. The unemployments provision has Senator Elizabeth Warren written all over it.

Today would likely look a lot different primary results wise has the supporters of Sanders realized that Senator Warren was the only "real deal" of the two.

[Sloumeau]

7. Sirota seems to think that Sanders invented...

the wheel, the lever, the screw, and discovered global warming.

However, if Bernie were the nominee, all Democrats would get would be the screw.

[George II]

15. He was the chief engineer and construction manager for the Edmund Pettus Bridge.

[Sloumeau]

20. ROFL

...and yet he didn't show up this year to inspect his work.

[The Magistrate]

22. Or That Year Either, Ma'am

Of course, he looked beneignly on as his most fervent supporters booed a man who did. After all, those people had a civil right to express themselves....

[George II]

8. Holy fuck - he popped in for 10 minutes Monday after being in Vermont since Wednesday afternoon....

....and takes credit for part of the negotiations, REALLY?

Did he even stay in DC Monday and Tuesday night or did he jet back to Burlington?

[Celerity]

10. David Sirota got fired from a Philly campaign 20 years ago for a racially charged "dirty trick"

before he first went to work for the progressive from Vermont.



https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/03/bernie-sanderss-new-speechwriter-has-controversial-past/585547/

Bernie Sanders first hired his new speechwriter, David Sirota, 20 years ago, shortly after Sirota was fired from a mayoral campaign for his connection to a bogus website that promoted a racially charged quotation, taken out of context, of a black opponent. In 1999, in Philadelphia, there was a crowded Democratic primary for mayor. Three of the candidates were African American: John White, Dwight Evans, and John Street, all of them friends going back years. But the race got intense early, and David Sirota, then working as the deputy campaign manager for Evans, was part of an effort to cut down White’s support: creating a bogus website, purporting to be the official home page of the White campaign, and using it to promote a racially charged quotation, deliberately taken out of context.

The ruse was soon discovered. Evans, who is now a Democratic member of Congress, fired Sirota. He called Sirota “overzealous” at the time. “I do not want this race to be about race,” Evans said in 1999, calling the site in question an example of “dirty tricks.” The website took a comment that White had made in a broader interview with a Spanish-language weekly, Al Día, and presented the line as if it were an anti-white slogan: “The black and the brown, if we unite, we’re going to control this city.” Local reporters in Philadelphia received emails directing them to the site as though it were part of John White’s campaign.

White, according to news reports at the time, was speaking about the increased political clout African Americans and Latinos could have if they worked together as a coalition. That was February. By the fall, Sirota was hired as the press secretary for Bernie Sanders, then in the House. He was hired by Sanders’s then–chief of staff, Jeff Weaver, who went on to manage Sanders’s 2016 presidential campaign and remains a senior adviser to the 2020 campaign.

On Friday morning, in response to inquiries from The Atlantic about his 1999 firing, Sirota acknowledged his role in helping create the bogus site. “I deeply regret being involved in this whole incident. I am absolutely ashamed that it happened, and I have felt genuinely terrible about this for 20 years. Even though I was a junior political staffer, I should have known better, and I certainly do today,” Sirota responded by email.

snip

[George II]

11. Thanks, I thought of that incident when I saw the OP, didn't know where to look for it....

Sirota has been bad news for decades. Too bad we can't see how bad in recent years - on the morning of the announcement that he was joining the Sanders campaign last year, he deleted more than 20,000 tweets, and THEN the announcement was released.

He must have had a lot to be ashamed of other than that Philadelphia thing.

[Celerity]

19. I really think it is Jane Sanders who was the driving force behind all the rotten eggs surrounding

Sanders. But the bucks stops with Bernie, as he signed off on it ALL.

At times I wonder if he is a Trojan Horse candidate, design to sheepdog the left and also discredit it. I actually agree with a LOT of his programmes and proposals, but they will never pass in the reactionary stew that is the American political superstructure. I live in a nation (Sweden atm) where none of his proposals (overall, if not exact copies) are new, all have been in place for decades. He also (as I have railed on about for hundreds of posts here and there and everywhere) falsely self labels as a democratic socialist, which is NOT at all what his programmes are, there are simply bog standard social democracy. He poison pills it all by ramming them under a fake and false 'socialist' umbrella.

He would be laughed at (and is) here when he claims the Nordics are socialist nations. Our capitalist sectors are actually more vibrant (even though, if not BECAUSE of them being much more highly regulated than the US model.) We are more productive per hour worked and have FAR higher upward social mobility (the only nation with lower upward social mobility in the entire OECD is the UK), plus vastly more wealth equality. Ironically, per capita, Sweden does all that with a greater per capita percentage of (in US dollars) billionaires than the US has, so it is not like one cannot become massively wealthy here at all.

[LiberalFighter]

12. 100% of salary? I'm sure most people that are really hurting are not paid a salary.

To me it indicates the person posting that is not part of regular everyday workers.

[Blue_true]

43. "Salary" has become broadly used to refer to ANY paycheck, even ones earned by hourly labor. nt

[LiberalFighter]

46. Only by those that receive a salary.

[Blue_true]

47. True. But the point is, the term is now used to apply to ALL wage earners.

The term "Non Exempt" applies to people that get paid a fixed annual pay.

[LiberalFighter]

48. I disagree

When filing for unemployment our people are asked their hourly rate as well as days and hours worked. Salary people as rule do not receive OT.

[Blue_true]

49. It's pointless for me to keep explaining how the term has morphed

over several decades. You have your reality, I have what I see with my eyes.

[LiberalFighter]

50. I have been in the work force long enough.

What it demonstrates is that you were in a different sector. My people don't consider their wages to be a salary. They consider themselves to be hourly and get paid for each hour or part of. We all consider salary to be a different animal.

I received a salary at one time for 3 1/2 years and there is a difference. I did not receive OT and was expected to work days and hours beyond an 8 hour 5 day week with no OT.

When the news media reports our wages they don't refer to an annual salary. It is the hourly rate.

[Blue_true]

52. You may be right, my perspective may be different.

Every minute that I worked for a paycheck as an adult was salaried, except for a handful of college-era jobs. But, I am telling you how I have seen the term used, you may be right that my status as a worker-bee made me blind to things that you see as clear as day.

[LiberalFighter]

53. I worked in an industry that has both salary and hourly.

And I am involved in activities that are involved with working people that are not white-collared jobs. There are certain sectors that will have wages provided as a salary. But when it comes to fast food, restaurants, and other service other than management and specialized positions it is hourly. I'm sure those in the building trades would not consider their wages to be salary either. Not when hourly with OT allows them to make much more than a salary would.

Our salary people would never refer to the wages of our hourly workers as salary either. There is a difference in how jobs are posted by third parties with salary for management positions and hourly for production.

[George II]

18. Looks like it was Michael Bennett (and five co-signers) who accomplished this:

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6811721/Brown-Booker-Bennet-Letter-Re-Cash-Payments-3-17.pdf

Signatories:

Michael Bennet
Cory Booker
Christopher Murphy
Sherrod Brown
Angus S. King Jr.
Brian Schatz

Where's Bernie?

Turns out there WAS an Independent Senator who worked on this and signed, but it was the "other" Independent - Angus King of Maine.

[W_HAMILTON]

25. Angus King has, and will continue to be, the best Independent senator out there.

[William769]

28. Thank you kind sir.

[George II]

23. I just noticed - the Hackbarth tweet was 17 hours BEFORE Sirota's, which was at almost 2:00 AM....

...this morning. That would mean the Hackbarth oozing tweet was posted yesterday morning, long before any details were known or even hammered out. Was he even in Washington at that time?

So Sirota is lying about a lie. Is this a case where two negatives equal a positive?

[marble falls]

24. He sent his prayers and concerns.

[BlueIdaho]

26. I'll tell you who deserves credit for improving the Senate Bill

Elizabeth Warren - that’s who. She has been there working her guts out looking out for working men and women in America. She has led the charge while Bernie is sitting this crisis out.

Want to know why Bernie gets so much shit? He’s a poser. His legislative accomplishments are as thin as the hair on the top of his head.

[George II]

31. Back in Brooklyn in the 1950s we used a different word.

[LizBeth]

29. This is just one of the things that pisses me off most about Sanders. His constant only others work

while he sits on his ass, talking about something, never doing. As Warren confirms, and Sanders history of non accomplishment.

[robbedvoter]

36. All his life! A kibbutz threw him out for that very reason

He was contantly talking, never doing the work.

[LizBeth]

37. Yes, to not having a job until Mayor to accomplishing nothing three decades of congress.

[still_one]

30. Is that the David Sirota who was telling people not to vote for Hillary in the general election?

[comradebillyboy]

33. The very same person...

[still_one]

34. Oh my.........

[robbedvoter]

35. Last bill, Pelosi negotiated with Mnuchin, after 🍊 signed, bros said:

🍊 is moving left of Democrats, comes Burnie's way" with some asking: Where is Pelosi? Where are the Dems?" No matter what happens, Democrats are the enemy.

[BidenBacker]

44. If it wasn't for Joe Biden

The Panama Canal wouldn't have been built...we wouldn't have Social Security...and Americans never woulda walked on the Moon.

Oh, and I forgot all about the Transcontinental Railroad and the Pony Express. Joe did those, too.

[Happy Hoosier]

45. Bernie also invented sliced bread and the weekend!

True story!

[dflprincess]

51. I don't think you can disagree with Bernie's rant on the Senate floor today

Link to tweet

[Tarheel_Dem]

54. Sounds about right. DT & BS, in the minds of their avid supporters, will get credit whether it's...

true or not. That's how cults of personality operate.