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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 06:19 PM Feb 2019

Democratic Voters' Second Choices Show How Fluid The 2020 Primary Race Is



The first lesson from this table is that early primary polls are, in large part, driven by name recognition. At this stage, voters may have only heard of a few of these candidates, and chances are two of them are Biden and Sanders (who are the two best-known candidates in the field). So of course they are a respondent’s second or third choice (if not his first).

The second lesson is that “lane” analysis, or the idea that candidates are competing for support within different wings of the party (e.g., the “establishment lane”), can be overrated. This isn’t meant as shade — FiveThirtyEight has classified its own wings of the party, too. It’s just important to remember that this kind of analysis has its flaws and limitations, particularly this early out. Other than both being white men, Biden and Sanders are about as different as Democrats in 2020 can get: one is establishment to the bone with a less-than-purely liberal record, while the other is a grassroots-backed insurgent who identifies as a socialist. And yet more than a quarter of Biden supporters say Sanders is their second choice, and more than a quarter of Sanders supporters say Biden is their second choice.

Now, don’t get me wrong — there is some interesting variation in the second-choice vote shares that jibes with sorting candidates into “lanes.” To take one example, Sanders ranks as the preferred second choice of supporters of Sen. Elizabeth Warren, whose progressive economic message dovetails with Sanders’s. To take another, Sen. Kamala Harris ranks higher among Sen. Cory Booker supporters than she does among any other candidate’s supporters, and Booker likewise does better among Harris supporters than he does any other bloc. That supports the idea that Harris and Booker, as the race’s two most prominent African-American candidates, might appeal to similar bases.

But it’s less variation than I think most people would expect, and there are clearly large chunks of voters who are perfectly willing to vote for a candidate in a different lane. As political scientist David A. Hopkins of Boston College recently pointed out, voters simply aren’t so well informed or calculating to split candidates cleanly into such factions. What’s more, lanes haven’t accurately predicted how previous presidential nominating contests would shake out after candidates began withdrawing and support started shuffling around. Current events and the shifting media spotlight after candidates win or outperform expectations in early primary states can also shake up fields, and candidates’ own marketing efforts can often succeed at winning over voters that may not be part of their “natural constituency.” Voters may use ideology and identity as a guide, but “lanes” are hardly an ironclad theory. Frankly, primaries are unpredictable — maybe we should all just get more comfortable with that idea.


https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/are-there-really-lanes-in-the-2020-democratic-primary/
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Democratic Voters' Second Choices Show How Fluid The 2020 Primary Race Is (Original Post) ehrnst Feb 2019 OP
Interesting breakdown... Wounded Bear Feb 2019 #1
Well, well, well, isn't that interesting... need I say more?! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2019 #2
BS isn't second in the heart of "every other candidate's supporters." LOL. CrossingTheRubicon Feb 2019 #3
Three Seconds for Sanders plus one tie for second Tom Rinaldo Feb 2019 #5
As opposed to a DINO... RobertDevereaux Feb 2019 #6
No he is not. Amimnoch Feb 2019 #7
I disagree. (nt) ehrnst Feb 2019 #10
Good for a laugh. The thought of Sanders as VP Hortensis Feb 2019 #4
The poll wasn't about VP picks, but about who you support after your favorite. Mr. Smith Feb 2019 #8
:) Anyway, 614 days from now will be entirely different. Hortensis Feb 2019 #9
I just hope the country's still here in 614 days Bucky Feb 2019 #11
Oh, we'll be here with or without Hortensis Feb 2019 #12
 

Wounded Bear

(58,653 posts)
1. Interesting breakdown...
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 06:25 PM
Feb 2019
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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
2. Well, well, well, isn't that interesting... need I say more?!
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 07:09 PM
Feb 2019

Oh okay... but Bernie's not a Democrat... just #2 in the heart of every other candidate's supporters.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Imagine the possibilities!!!

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CrossingTheRubicon

(731 posts)
3. BS isn't second in the heart of "every other candidate's supporters." LOL.
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 07:29 PM
Feb 2019

We can read.

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Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
5. Three Seconds for Sanders plus one tie for second
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 05:04 PM
Feb 2019

It does seem to indicate that Bernie has broader appeal outside of his own core backers than some folks seem to have believed.

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RobertDevereaux

(1,857 posts)
6. As opposed to a DINO...
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 05:07 PM
Feb 2019

Bernie's a DIABN, which is to say, a Democrat In All But Name.

And he's an Eleanor and Franklin Democrat, the best kind there is!

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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
4. Good for a laugh. The thought of Sanders as VP
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 04:29 PM
Feb 2019

would be strictly the stuff of sleeping nightmares for all of them, so hope no one even jokes about it around them.

Sanders' folk, don't be offended. You know he's no team player. He's been doing +1 to the Democratic caucus his entire career, but couldn't hack being #2 ever, for anyone.

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Mr. Smith

(65 posts)
8. The poll wasn't about VP picks, but about who you support after your favorite.
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 05:09 PM
Feb 2019

At this point, Bernie Sanders does quite well, but as the OP pointed out, it could be name recognition.

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Hortensis

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9. :) Anyway, 614 days from now will be entirely different.
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 05:11 PM
Feb 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

Bucky

(54,005 posts)
11. I just hope the country's still here in 614 days
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 06:41 PM
Feb 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
12. Oh, we'll be here with or without
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 09:27 PM
Feb 2019

our current power of the vote. If we were to lose that, though, for sure we wouldn’t be talking about it on line.

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