intheflow
intheflow's JournalThe level of bigotry against young people in this thread is disgusting.
Boomers here with the "Gen Z are all brats" do know your parents said the exact same things about your youth activism in the '60s and '70s, right? You all need to get over yourselves, respect this survivor of gun violence, and support his fight for sane gun laws. WTAF, People?!
He is a gun massacre survivor.
WTF are you talking about, he's a closet Repuke? All of his efforts go to banning guns. Hogg has never attacked teachers (his mother was a teacher), he votes religiously, and Gen Z is not what you think it is. Mostly you sound like an unpleasant old person with your "Kids these days!" faux indignation.
Yes, but injustices aren't some pro sport.
Hogg isn't a brat, he's a fucking survivor of a massacre when he was still a schoolboy. Just because it took centuries for Black and women's liberation - neither of which are even complete, FFS - is no reason to slam young activists for demanding justice from gun violence today. I mean, part of why it took so long for both women's and Black liberation movements is because they weren't allowed to speak out in in their own favor. Women were hysterical and Blacks were uppity. And here we are now, with good liberals of DU basically calling Hogg an uppity youngster. It's not the strong talking point you think it is.
And yet, this particular system is a human construct.
We can improve it. We can do better. I mean, c'mon, are you really arguing that Democrats are above constructive criticism from their own party members? That there's no worth in examining our past actions to see how they might have contributed to the current political clusterfuck? Trump did not win in a vacuum, and it's absolutely worth our while to see where we've excluded would-be supporters by our past actions. To say it doesn't have value or it's equivalent to bashing the party is to demand we all walk lockstep in smug arrogance of our own supposed infalability.
You can call it blame or you could consider it constructive criticism.
Assuming I'm blaming the party for its past behavior tells me more about your lockstep attitude than it says about the party. I didn't blame the party for *gesters broadly*, but like Hogg, it's constructive criticism that much of the older Dems would rather argue against instead of taking an opportunity to say, "Maybe we can learn something going forward." Doubling down on actual bullshit and assuming the worst of anyone who says anything that doesn't supplicate to the human party leaders is exactly what drives otherwise sympathetic citizens away from our party and voting in general.
Probably because the younger generation is
waaaaay more liberal/progressive that the party’s leaders. As an old progressive, I have felt the Democratic Party treated me this way all my life: takes my vote for granted, rarely listens to my concerns - like gun violence, rape culture, racism, etc. Just did enough to keep my vote but never fought back against corporate interests as enthusiastically as I wished. It’s getting better now that so many Dems can see the fascism after tfg, but for those of us who’ve been watching and warning about rising authoritarianism since the Reagan era are still frustrated at the incrementalism of the party overall.
As a white person,
I’ve noticed white people bend over backwards to “other” everyone. It’s the same mentality of the people who still post “Is this America?” after every shooting, lynching, insurrection. White culture loves othering others because as “decent white folks” this (whatever) behavior doesn’t happen in my backyard. It’s not a conscious thing, but that’s the insidious nature of white supremacy culture.
These are only business economic indicators.
On a human level, the economy sucks. Food prices up 40%. Housing unaffordable in most of the country, rents are out of control and small houses cost a quarter of a million with high interest rates. And job creation is the most bs indicator because what are the jobs and what do they pay? Part time minimum wage jobs? The economy does suck right now for a lot of people.
Bigots gonna bigot.
It's a manifestation of people becoming what they most abhor. I'm an atheist with a Masters of Divinity. Went to a super-liberal Methodist seminary where 70% of the grads were women and at least 25% of the whole student body was LGBTQ++. Broad-brush Christian smearing is just as ignorant as conservative Christians broad-brushing atheists as pedophiles. It's disturbing to see, but also somewhat predicable in human relations.
I'm sorry, you aren't my parent & it's wrong for you to judge what is/isn't appropriate for DU.
If you don't want to repeat what was said because repeating it makes you uncomfortable, I can respect that. But you acting as in loco parentis is patronizing and rude. If it makes you so uncomfortable, why post here at all? Or, maybe include the link to the NPR report so we could hear what you're talking about. And by the way, if it was on NPR, it's NOT too graphic for DUers.
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