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(34,195 posts) Thu Dec 21, 2017, 01:14 PM Dec 2017

Mormons perform baptisms on Holocaust victims [View all]

SALT LAKE CITY (AP) —
Mormons are posthumously baptizing Holocaust victims as well as grandparents of public figures like Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton and Steven Spielberg, despite church rules intended to restrict the ceremonies to a member's ancestors ...

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Proxy baptisms are tied to a core church teaching that families spend eternity together, but the baptisms do not automatically convert dead people to Mormonism. Under church teachings, the rituals provide the deceased a choice in the afterlife to accept or reject the offer of baptism.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the only major religion that baptizes the dead, and the ritual has contributed to struggles by the faith to combat the mischaracterization of its beliefs.

The posthumous baptizing of Holocaust victims reopens Jewish wounds from being forced in the past to convert to Christianity or face death or deportation, Jewish genealogist Gary Mokotoff said.

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Mormons perform baptisms on Holocaust victims [View all] left-of-center2012 Dec 2017 OP

They have been doing this for quite sometime. still_one Dec 2017 #1

... left-of-center2012 Dec 2017 #3

Historically, yes, but I guess they paused for a few years... hlthe2b Dec 2017 #6

Sure, but no much that can be done still_one Dec 2017 #20

It was Lawrence Odonnell or Keith Olbermann who TheDebbieDee Dec 2017 #46

LOL hlthe2b Dec 2017 #51

But did they circumcize the dead? csziggy Dec 2017 #57

It won't actually DO anything, but it's extremely disrespectful. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2017 #2

They do it with people of ALL religiions not Mormon whathehell Dec 2017 #8

Yes, and it's disrespectful to all of them. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2017 #10

I disagree..The people in question are dead & these Mormons do not intend any whathehell Dec 2017 #14

Applying your premise consistently... LanternWaste Dec 2017 #21

You're equating saying some words with digging up a corpse. Mariana Dec 2017 #37

I agree. Born and raised in the church and baptised for the dead... Raster Dec 2017 #52

Yep, it does nothing except shit on the memory of Holocaust victims. Iggo Dec 2017 #24

If you don't believe in their beliefs, then how would it hurt you? It's not some kind of pnwmom Dec 2017 #40

It doesn't hurt anything, and I wouldn't be personally offended - The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2017 #45

So years ago... MontanaMama Dec 2017 #4

Perhaps some of those long dead relatives should come back to haunt the Mormon "adopters" hlthe2b Dec 2017 #7

Sounds like a MontanaMama Dec 2017 #17

Imagine what their response would be if members of another religion avebury Dec 2017 #5

Especially if it was 2naSalit Dec 2017 #60

They need to cut this shit out, They have been doing this on and off for awhile........... Old Vet Dec 2017 #9

No one "owns" the dead..How can one stop private prayers or whathehell Dec 2017 #15

Again, your premise is inaccurate. Corpses are legally considered quasi-property. LanternWaste Dec 2017 #22

There are no corpses involved - what are you talking about? FreeState Dec 2017 #34

One can call it out as the dick move it is. Crunchy Frog Dec 2017 #44

Um, okay, if you say so.. whathehell Dec 2017 #58

What claptrap nonsense. MineralMan Dec 2017 #11

a cousin of mine baptized my grandparents who were devout Catholics nini Dec 2017 #12

It's a diverse world and society.. whathehell Dec 2017 #16

Why the eye roll? nini Dec 2017 #56

Because, all things considered, whathehell Dec 2017 #59

Not as petty as you taking the time to reply with an eyeroll nini Dec 2017 #62

Sure, honey..whatever you say.. whathehell Dec 2017 #64

I find it disagreeable, too janterry Dec 2017 #13

Actually I wouldnt mind my own planet right now... Orange Free State Dec 2017 #31

LOL nini Dec 2017 #66

Most of my family tree have been baptized Mariana Dec 2017 #35

Whats good for the goose.... sdfernando Dec 2017 #18

Ah, the shit done for invisible beings. Don't we look stupid. NightWatcher Dec 2017 #19

I just waved my magic wand and un-baptized all of them. Iggo Dec 2017 #23

Exactly. Why do people freak out over this? Mariana Dec 2017 #26

I hate it when Mormons shit on the memory of Holocaust victims. Iggo Dec 2017 #29

The Mormons think they're doing a good deed for them. Mariana Dec 2017 #32

I accept your apology. (n/t) Iggo Dec 2017 #39

Actually, Mormons don't baptize infants. LDS children don't get baptized until they are 8. (eom) StevieM Dec 2017 #47

They also don't consign "unbelievers" to Hell whathehell Dec 2017 #68

I think it's pretty offensive in general, and pretty disgusting in this particular case. The victims OnDoutside Dec 2017 #49

Exactly..Why that doesn't seem to matter whathehell Dec 2017 #63

Wow..Now who's being "disrespectful"? whathehell Dec 2017 #61

Fuck. Them. Iggo Dec 2017 #70

Aww...Feel better now? whathehell Dec 2017 #72

I think that it's just the general concept of it Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2017 #33

The Mormons believe the posthumous "conversion" is voluntary. Mariana Dec 2017 #36

So what are they actually accomplishing? Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2017 #41

Evangelizing to the dead is a good way to put it. Mariana Dec 2017 #42

It did not used to be "voluntary." This was an accomdation acquired in the last 25 years or so. Raster Dec 2017 #55

Precisely... whathehell Dec 2017 #65

"...the rituals provide the deceased a choice in the afterlife..." Mariana Dec 2017 #25

Hey, if *I* can't find my relatives from the Olde Country via genealogy, no_hypocrisy Dec 2017 #27

Actually, Mormons are remarkably talented in the field of genealogy. StevieM Dec 2017 #48

True. n/t. whathehell Dec 2017 #69

So why not get a mohel to... Orange Free State Dec 2017 #28

Proxy marriage for the dead? Now we're getting somewhere! Iggo Dec 2017 #30

Disrepectful. Behind the Aegis Dec 2017 #38

A Scientologist or Pastafarian doing it would have just as much credence or validity. TheBlackAdder Dec 2017 #43

Blind roommates trying to fistfight over which shade of pink to paint the bathroom . . . hatrack Dec 2017 #50

Point! Raster Dec 2017 #53

Seriously, who cares? sofa king Dec 2017 #54

I don't care. MosheFeingold Dec 2017 #71

What an incredible waste of time. Kirk Lover Dec 2017 #67