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In reply to the discussion: Bernie Sanders to unveil plan to guarantee every American a job [View all]Eliot Rosewater
(32,539 posts)53. I want to go a step further, actually. Guaranteed income regardless of work.
And we can afford it, given the vast wealth held by the 1% and especially the very top of the ladder.
With automation and trade issues there is no way to employ everyone unless you do what we used to call "make work", one guy digs a hole and the other one fills it back up.
NOTHING wrong with that, but not likely the route we will go.
NONE of this of course is doable anytime soon and in fact what you need to do first is REMOVE the Nazi's from power before even having this discussion.
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Yeh, more free stuff the country cannot afford. If the government guarantees a job at $15/hr its
politicaljunkie41910
Apr 2018
#133
The funds to pay taxes and buy government securities come from government spending
CarlitosMMT
Apr 2018
#175
I understand how monetary policy works. I majored in Finance and Accounting.
politicaljunkie41910
Apr 2018
#262
That's why Democrats and those that profess to be Democrats have to stop....
George II
Apr 2018
#251
See my post below to my link in which I responded to a previous poster.
politicaljunkie41910
Apr 2018
#271
I got news for you the private sector is not capable of solving the problem without profits
Stargazer99
Apr 2018
#300
You're worried about a 'government welfare program"? I will let your words speak for themselves.
Doremus
Apr 2018
#275
You should be grateful that you had the opportunities and quit assuming everyone has
Stargazer99
Apr 2018
#299
Thanks for posting this... the "right to a job" message needs to be spread far and wide.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#13
I hope the first to sign up are those poor unemployed educators from Burlington College
George II
Apr 2018
#139
I read somewhere that there's also a plan in the works for free woodworking classes.
George II
Apr 2018
#239
And I think they're ALL following FDR's example. Who cares who came up with it?
Doremus
Apr 2018
#277
Corey Booker, to his credit, has come over to Bernie's side on a number of issues...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#153
Bernie FOLLOWED John Conyers and Cory Booker on this, not the other way around. n/t
pnwmom
Apr 2018
#154
Wow. It seems that some are determined to push some of our fine Democratic politicians
KitSileya
Apr 2018
#199
Yeah, I know, it's on the tip of my tongue, and I think it also has something to do with
pnwmom
Apr 2018
#202
One, Bernies's bill is more extensive. Two, Sanders has a long track record of involvement on this
Tom Rinaldo
Apr 2018
#219
Bernie hasn't introduced his bill so we don't know exactly what it is yet. And if it is "dumb"
pnwmom
Apr 2018
#226
The problem is that he didn't unite strongly with Democrats after he lost the 2016 primaries
pnwmom
Apr 2018
#283
I disagree, but only by degree, so I can generaly accept where you are coming from
Tom Rinaldo
Apr 2018
#292
So one of his advisors has a track record, and Sanders organized a town hall on it.
ehrnst
Apr 2018
#290
Thats the ticket! attack the messenger. Who the fuck cares what your beef is with him if the
JCanete
Apr 2018
#16
I dont' think so, and I hardly see why that's relevant. Its being proposed by a Senator. Like it or
JCanete
Apr 2018
#54
They dont seem to understand that just because they didnt notice until Bernie did it
EffieBlack
Apr 2018
#75
fucking a effie...lovely, jump on the strawman. I have never personally credited sanders with
JCanete
Apr 2018
#82
Reason? haha, that's your FIRST mistake JC!! Seriously, your posts make sense...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#247
no that's not what happened. You clearly misunderstand the reason I brought Clinton up. I dont' have
JCanete
Apr 2018
#184
seriously? Its that important that you are right and I am wrong that you will mischaracterize
JCanete
Apr 2018
#190
I doubt fans of any politician give much, if any, thought to the origins of a politicians ideas.
sammythecat
Apr 2018
#250
Is it any better than Booker's? At least Booker's proposal is already completed.....
George II
Apr 2018
#141
No that's great. So two Senators are in favor of this and I applaud them both. If Booker's plan is
JCanete
Apr 2018
#158
So once again, let's split our efforts and dilute the Democratic legislative effort.
George II
Apr 2018
#163
It seems like something we should be forcused on. I dont' expect Booker to come here and post it.
JCanete
Apr 2018
#185
Spot on!! Bernie haters gotta hate... sad to see when we should be uniting to get
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#164
Assuming there's some truth in that, fine... let's rally around the ideas that UNITE us.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#230
It will appeal to his base who will support him rather than the real Democrat, unfortunately.
Doodley
Apr 2018
#6
Show me how even middling goals democrats put forward are possible without peopel first
JCanete
Apr 2018
#19
It means nothing if we simply pave the way for the next trump, but that was a strange direction
JCanete
Apr 2018
#24
Obama was vilified and the GOP heralded for their obstruction on every issue. What people
bettyellen
Apr 2018
#32
Again, we have to make the climate. There was no climate demanding a border wall. Somehow
JCanete
Apr 2018
#39
Lying to the public is just that. That we need to cut military spending, tax more is part of the
bettyellen
Apr 2018
#73
incremental change does not happen unless you threaten bigger change. You can't get compromise
JCanete
Apr 2018
#78
I'm done with wasting time responding to you on this topic until you address points I've
JCanete
Apr 2018
#91
so you actually won't or can't address my points. Noted. I hope you enjoy hearing yourself speak.
JCanete
Apr 2018
#98
well doned...you found something from back in January. No new news has come of this, at all...which
JCanete
Apr 2018
#124
I have addressed your attempts at argument as to magical revolutions on the other thread
Gothmog
Apr 2018
#120
The lie is in always disparaging incremental change and pretending that a big ask is
bettyellen
Apr 2018
#93
bettyellen, that's dissapointing. If you can't attack my words frame me. Literally in my post I
JCanete
Apr 2018
#102
Pay discrimination against POC and women is a much bigger issue, yet was dismissed as identity
bettyellen
Apr 2018
#127
who are those people who dismissed this? Show that dismissal? Because we have banks and big
JCanete
Apr 2018
#129
If your always talking about how corps are unfair to you, its about your paycheck. I get that you
bettyellen
Apr 2018
#132
I'm not talking about how they are unfair to "ME". You made that shit up to support your argument.
JCanete
Apr 2018
#156
Im side eyeing this wedge/ distraction crap pretty hard. If identity politics are
bettyellen
Apr 2018
#168
Nonsense. You are pointing in the wrong direction. That is not what I want at all and we can't
JCanete
Apr 2018
#173
Free college for everyone- in practice, totally racist, conceptually fucking stupid and
bettyellen
Apr 2018
#174
in practice totally racist how. Conceptually stupid how? This is exactly what a first world nation
JCanete
Apr 2018
#179
oh that? eh.... I didn't devle into the numbers so I don't know how much Sanders plan
JCanete
Apr 2018
#210
Pay discrimination against POC and women was dismissed as not a top priority.
George II
Apr 2018
#252
We cant pander to this ignorant anxiety white men have about an inclusive and fair economy
bettyellen
Apr 2018
#273
Yes- a huge effort was made to downplay these issues to court Mr Anxiety from the rust belt. You
bettyellen
Apr 2018
#288
Of course you ignore the fact that the banking regulations that you speak of
TexasTowelie
Apr 2018
#165
Look, I'll have to tackle a lot of this later, but you can't use "jobs" as an excuse for not doing
JCanete
Apr 2018
#192
shitttt.....lost connection lost a post...good lord. will ahve to return to this later.
JCanete
Apr 2018
#209
The reason deregulation happens and will continue to happen is because those that profess...
George II
Apr 2018
#253
The ACA is a Democratic piece of legislation and policy. Which Democrat are you calling "sicko"?
George II
Apr 2018
#255
LOL, that's EXACTLY what most Democrats said when Bernie advocated for same-sex marriage rights
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#22
I've seen a study you've cited before and it was problematic. As lamen as I am
JCanete
Apr 2018
#195
how is that? I agree, proposal costs matter. All of the factors involved in those costs
JCanete
Apr 2018
#197
Bernie didn't "lead" on that issue - he came around to it, the way most Dems did.
LisaM
Apr 2018
#66
Bernie did NOT advocate for same-sex marriage rights two decades ago. He advocated for states
pnwmom
Apr 2018
#203
I want to go a step further, actually. Guaranteed income regardless of work.
Eliot Rosewater
Apr 2018
#53
I've never understood how guaranteed basic income doesn't get eaten up by inflation...
brooklynite
Apr 2018
#58
Its nice seeing people I often disagree with here on the same page philosophically.
JCanete
Apr 2018
#182
I would go much further. The whole point of my existence politically today
Eliot Rosewater
Apr 2018
#249
$15/hour will undercut the union wage for many of those public works jobs.
WhiskeyGrinder
Apr 2018
#9
FDR used the NIRA to counteract the overlap between the WPA/CCC and unions
LanternWaste
Apr 2018
#41
It will give them cause to renegotiate higher wages. it will give corporations an incentive to pay
JCanete
Apr 2018
#112
ahhh, what has Bernie done in the last 2 years to implement this repeated $15/hr talking point?
BoneyardDem
Apr 2018
#11
I look forward to the day when a serious group of politicians (one cant do anything*, and you know
Eliot Rosewater
Apr 2018
#57
Do it like they do in the Nordic countries, but not now, cant do it now. Nazis are
Eliot Rosewater
Apr 2018
#59
I'm fine running on jobs for as many as possible, but I'm not for hyperbole unless he
Hoyt
Apr 2018
#31
Well Sanders' and his supporters bashing of Clinton on trade did help get trump elected.
Hoyt
Apr 2018
#43
Speaking truth to power is almost meaningless if over a very long period of time one
Eliot Rosewater
Apr 2018
#62
On issues where you have support. But again, cant even promise children we wont let them die at
Eliot Rosewater
Apr 2018
#69
I agree he speaks against right wing BS. Problem is, he has no viable way of doing what
Hoyt
Apr 2018
#63
I wish people would use critical thinking skills and ask themselves why someone would
Eliot Rosewater
Apr 2018
#71
Jon Stewart, Sam Bee, Steven Colbert and Trevor Noah speak truth to power more effectively
ehrnst
Apr 2018
#229
That's a big fucking deal, and this is one area where I think Sanders is antiquated. I would take
JCanete
Apr 2018
#42
Some as recently as a couple of years ago have discussed bringing back legislation signed by Carter.
NCTraveler
Apr 2018
#46
So who is Corey Booker firing up? and what does totally unnecesary even mean? Unnecesary to who?
JCanete
Apr 2018
#113
unemployment rates are at a historic low but the job pay is abysmal. Arguably a decent minimum wage
JCanete
Apr 2018
#122
so then he's not pandering to Sanders supporters...and believes in this? I can't follow you guys..
JCanete
Apr 2018
#115
It's called a "smart move"!! If Bernie doesn't run in 2020, lot's of his supporters...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#214
If he would get together with all of us and FIRST dedicate himself to electing ANY
Eliot Rosewater
Apr 2018
#65
Did you read this thread?! The ONLY one being compared to Rethuglians and Nazi tRump is Bernie!!
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#212
Yet store shelves were virtually empty and restaurants ran out of food early in the lunch hour.
greatauntoftriplets
Apr 2018
#144
I'd be interested in seeing what interview you are referring to. I'd be surprised if Sanders, as
JCanete
Apr 2018
#118
Interview here: "Bernie Sanders admits he isn't sure how to break up big banks"
betsuni
Apr 2018
#131
Then talk to Elizabeth Warren..... she said, if Republican open up Dodd-Frank
Civic Justice
Apr 2018
#149
Banks are privately owned business. What authority does anyone have to break them up?
Hamlette
Apr 2018
#138
Our Revolution is a 501(c)(4). That means they dont have to disclose their donors
emulatorloo
Apr 2018
#244
Yes, but that's what scares supporters of OTHER politicians... sad to see.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#266
And here's the irony...the fact that Bernie is "not one of them" is PRECISELY why
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#269
That's a lazy way to propose legislation. If something like this is to have any chance...
NurseJackie
Apr 2018
#220
"A representative from Sanders's office said they had not yet done a cost estimate for the plan or..
Cha
Apr 2018
#170
I read the 3rd paragraph three times and still can't believe it's not a Republican proposal
DFW
Apr 2018
#194
Twitter Link: ... met with Sen. Sanders and his staff on February 8. His staff began drafting ...
Donkees
Apr 2018
#279
A great proposal and a way to implement and pay for it. I hope all Democratic Senators....
George II
May 2018
#321