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Showing Original Post only (View all)Israeli soldiers did not "slaughter unarmed children" [View all]
The spreading of this lie needs to stop.
One can condemn the actions of the Israeli government/military without lying.
Ha'aretz (a left-leaning news outlet in Israel) does a good job of describing what took place and criticizing the fact that Israel took no steps to prevent what occurred:
Palestinian protesters gathered fairly slowly at first. At noon the army still estimated their number at about 10,000, and the level of the clashes was relatively low. But then came a shift. Tens of thousands more Gazans streamed to the border (at the height of the protest there were apparently 40,000 to 50,000 people there) and at the same time the friction became more severe. Many hundreds of protesters tried to reach the fence itself. The sound of exploding tear gas canisters gradually joined the sniper fire. According to the Israel Defense Forces, Hamas had paid Gazans to reach the fence and saw to it that many young women were in the first lines of protesters. In three cases soldiers shot armed squads who tried to place explosive devices at the fence and opened fire on IDF forces.
Through binoculars, from various observation points a few hundred meters from the fence, it could be seen that the protests were planned and controlled by Hamas. Masses of people had gathered near the Karni crossing, opposite Kibbutz Nahal Oz, and suddenly began to move southward along the border in an orderly convoy, with men on motorcycles nearby. The convoy on foot was stopped about two kilometers from there, at which point it began to reorganize, opposite an earthen embankment nearby where Israeli sharpshooters were stationed. Within minutes, clashes broke out there, with ambulances rushing to wait from behind for the evacuation of the first killed and injured.
The beefed-up presence of the army could clearly be seen on Monday. Soldiers were almost everywhere. Snipers were stationed along the fence, and behind them, troops in the fields of the kibbutzim and moshavim. A little farther back, in parking areas, police Special Forces were waiting if needed to handle a mass breach of the fence and a move deep into Israeli territory. That didnt happen, but many Palestinians were hit in the clashes along the fence.
By 6 P.M., when the protesters left, as directed from on high by Hamas, 43 Palestinians had been killed, hundreds wounded by live fire and hundreds more by inhaling tear gas. A great deal of tear gas was used, but it dissipated quickly in the open areas, as in previous demonstrations. It seems that its impact is minor and fleeting. Sniper fire was the main weapon, and the number of casualties on the bloodiest day in Gaza since Operation Protective Edge in the summer of 2014 was accordingly high.
https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/palestinians/.premium-a-predictable-disaster-in-gaza-israel-did-nothing-to-prevent-clashes-1.6091797
Through binoculars, from various observation points a few hundred meters from the fence, it could be seen that the protests were planned and controlled by Hamas. Masses of people had gathered near the Karni crossing, opposite Kibbutz Nahal Oz, and suddenly began to move southward along the border in an orderly convoy, with men on motorcycles nearby. The convoy on foot was stopped about two kilometers from there, at which point it began to reorganize, opposite an earthen embankment nearby where Israeli sharpshooters were stationed. Within minutes, clashes broke out there, with ambulances rushing to wait from behind for the evacuation of the first killed and injured.
The beefed-up presence of the army could clearly be seen on Monday. Soldiers were almost everywhere. Snipers were stationed along the fence, and behind them, troops in the fields of the kibbutzim and moshavim. A little farther back, in parking areas, police Special Forces were waiting if needed to handle a mass breach of the fence and a move deep into Israeli territory. That didnt happen, but many Palestinians were hit in the clashes along the fence.
By 6 P.M., when the protesters left, as directed from on high by Hamas, 43 Palestinians had been killed, hundreds wounded by live fire and hundreds more by inhaling tear gas. A great deal of tear gas was used, but it dissipated quickly in the open areas, as in previous demonstrations. It seems that its impact is minor and fleeting. Sniper fire was the main weapon, and the number of casualties on the bloodiest day in Gaza since Operation Protective Edge in the summer of 2014 was accordingly high.
https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/palestinians/.premium-a-predictable-disaster-in-gaza-israel-did-nothing-to-prevent-clashes-1.6091797
So by all means, I support and endorse criticism of the way the Israeli government and army responded with lethal force, killing several dozen Palestinian adults, and, most tragically and condemnable, a small number of kids, but to create a myth/lie about "slaughtering children" is just preposterous.
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Thank you, like many things in the Mideast, this is more complicated than a headline can express
Amishman
May 2018
#6
I am a strong supporter of Israel as a Jewish state, but it is not necessary to move
Sophia4
May 2018
#12
Was no need to move that embassy, it was fine! Republicans & RW Israel-foment violence.
Sunlei
May 2018
#130
As I recall, Jerusalem is a holy site for at least 3 religions and was not identified as an
Sophia4
May 2018
#166
Can you explain the difference between "slaughtering unarmed children" and "killing kids"?
muriel_volestrangler
May 2018
#36
Slaughter means "kill (people or animals) in a cruel or violent way, typically in large numbers."
oberliner
May 2018
#42
What children were doing where they live? I don't know, would you like them expelled
muriel_volestrangler
May 2018
#104
You would let your young children go to a Hamas inspired riot and attempted..
EX500rider
May 2018
#171
What you call a riot, they all see as a protest - the only way to get the world
muriel_volestrangler
May 2018
#176
Well one of slaughter's definitions is "the act of killing'. So you can call it one. nt
Kirk Lover
May 2018
#34
Well a snipers bullet in the head is not 'slaughter' why just killing... ridiculous for the OP to
Demsrule86
May 2018
#76
I use "babies" in the colloquial sense - in my family, anybody under 10 referred to as a "baby"
EffieBlack
May 2018
#88
I saw hundreds of infants at the women's march. Were all those parents "asking for it?"
Squinch
May 2018
#154
When live ammunition is used in a crowded situations, the problem bability that people will be
still_one
May 2018
#44
There is no evidence to support the claim that any child was killed by sniper shot
oberliner
May 2018
#45
Soldier with a sniper rifle from a safe distance shooting a child with a rock isn't slaughter?
NoMoreRepugs
May 2018
#5
Usually it does - rock throwing, even molotov cocktail throwing vs nested sniper is SLAUGHTER to me.
NoMoreRepugs
May 2018
#145
They're attributing a lot of the protest to Hamas organization, as did our loathesome Ambassador
maxsolomon
May 2018
#14
Rump did this to cause killings to show off to his deplorable base who get OFF on seeing
Eliot Rosewater
May 2018
#59
And argue about whether these mothers' children's murders may appropriately be called a "slaughter."
EffieBlack
May 2018
#21
Oh, for heaven's sake. I already said above I think Israel is being heavy handed.
Vinca
May 2018
#172
"I have no idea who is or is not dead, wounded or otherwise indisposed and neither do you"
EX500rider
May 2018
#175
The apartheid lie is an Iranian propaganda meme intended to provoke violence and hatred.
Fozzledick
May 2018
#180
In the interest of painting an accurate picture, WaPo is saying there were no Israeli casualties.
Girard442
May 2018
#37
Thus ends the moral authority of the Jews: How many Kids do you need to have a slaughter?
doxyluv13
May 2018
#38
Have the ADL, the Wiesenthal Center or any major Jewish organizations condemned this crap?
doxyluv13
May 2018
#182
I'm guessing IDF bullets grant instant adulthood, with a bonus Hamas membership.
denbot
May 2018
#39
I am blocking you. I don't what your game is but this is an appalling post....one of the worst I
Demsrule86
May 2018
#77
maybe...I can't believe any poster would argue that multiple kids must be 'killed' for it to rise
Demsrule86
May 2018
#162
I am blocking someone who opines that shooting children in the head is not slaughter but merely
Demsrule86
May 2018
#161
Civilians (including children) are actually being slaughtered around the world every day
oberliner
May 2018
#68
It's definitely better that only a small number of teenagers were killed than a large number
oberliner
May 2018
#73
It seems self-evident that you're determined to minimize what's happened. n/t
Denzil_DC
May 2018
#93
It is not a lie...children have died and not just yesterday...a giant fuck you to Israel...I will
Demsrule86
May 2018
#74
Some of the thinly veiled anti-Semitism in this thread is rather alarming. nt
LexVegas
May 2018
#107
"Israel gets a pass for the Holocaust." "Thus ends the moral authority of the Jews..."
LexVegas
May 2018
#119
Explain to me what the "moral authority of the Jews" is and how they "get a pass for the Holocaust".
LexVegas
May 2018
#129
slingshots & bottle rockets v.up to date US military weapons, easy to see the Israelis had no other
mulsh
May 2018
#108
They have every right to protest and Israel should not have used live ammo against them
oberliner
May 2018
#117
Then Israel should post CLEAR PICTURES of "armed squads" with "Explosive devices"
Sunlei
May 2018
#127
I just hope you're this understanding next time some Israeli kids end up dead...
Blue_Tires
May 2018
#139
I'm not at all understanding and I completely and wholeheartedly condemn the Israeli actions
oberliner
May 2018
#149
Among the dead were eight children, including eight-month-old Laila Anwar Ghandour.
spanone
May 2018
#141
From the video footage I saw that was exactly how the "relief" boat episode went.
EX500rider
May 2018
#174
Your semantic quibbling - inaccurate, by the way, because it WAS a slaughter - in the face of
Squinch
May 2018
#153