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DemocratSinceBirth

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8. There is a little bit of truth in both narratives. That's what makes it so hard to reconcile.

Tue May 15, 2018, 06:16 PM

May 2018

When Bill Clinton was trying to broker a Middle East peace he tried to disabuse Yasir Arafat of the belief that Jews didn't have a historical presence in that land by pointing to archaeological digs that prove they did. Arafat would have none of it.

OTOH, there are Israelis who deny the Palestinians have had a presence there too.

It's just sad.

As I said in another thread i use to believe folks could work out their differences to give a little to get a little. In the era of Trump I don't know. I don't believe I could find common ground with a rabid Trump supporter on anything.

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How Palestinian youth would solve the conflict with Israel [View all] ProudLib72 May 2018 OP

they want Israel gone. Mosby May 2018 #1

They are also ignoring the fact there has been a Jewish presence in that land for 4,000 years. DemocratSinceBirth May 2018 #3

If there is going to be peace the only way it will happen is with a two-state solution still_one May 2018 #7

There is a little bit of truth in both narratives. That's what makes it so hard to reconcile. DemocratSinceBirth May 2018 #8

As long as Jews were a minority and lived under dhimmi rules ProudLib72 May 2018 #13

The whole idea of dhimmi status is really for lack of a better word offensive. DemocratSinceBirth May 2018 #16

Oh it is offensive! ProudLib72 May 2018 #19

I think the best way to solve this conflict is with a THREE- --make that a FOUR-- -state solution meow2u3 May 2018 #43

I am not Jewish, but I know many Jews who were basically kicked out of their countries Sophia4 May 2018 #4

Enforcing religious freedom in every country Yupster May 2018 #50

If it can't be enforced in Pakistan, it shouldn't be enforced in any other country including Sophia4 May 2018 #55

Why does it matter if the embassy is in Tel Aviv or W Jerusalem? oberliner May 2018 #56

It matters because the original UN mandate, to my understanding, provided that Sophia4 May 2018 #57

The embassy is nowhere near the Old City where all the important religious sites are oberliner May 2018 #59

How many Jews are left alive in Gaza? Fozzledick May 2018 #2

There are people on both sides who aren't interested in peace. DemocratSinceBirth May 2018 #5

They include anyone advocating a "one state solution" to destroy Israel. Fozzledick May 2018 #23

Aren't there Jewish settlements in Gaza? Blue_true May 2018 #20

No, Israel unilaterally withdrew from Gaza in 2005. Fozzledick May 2018 #25

"Aren't there Jewish settlements in Gaza? " DemocratSinceBirth May 2018 #26

Ok. Thanks. Blue_true May 2018 #30

This is a not so subtle way to say they want to eliminate Israel, and the assessment about "not still_one May 2018 #6

You don't see anything "about violent means to end the Jewish state"... FBaggins May 2018 #9

I can't think of a way that that happens without violence and creating another diaspora. DemocratSinceBirth May 2018 #10

Maybe in the younger ones ProudLib72 May 2018 #11

The one state solution is a non starter. I wouldn't even want to share a parcel of land with... DemocratSinceBirth May 2018 #12

It seems Palestinian youth would end the conflict sarisataka May 2018 #14

"I'm not reading anything about violent means to end the Jewish state." oberliner May 2018 #15

Abu Mazen did his PHD thesis on Holocaust denial. DemocratSinceBirth May 2018 #17

You're being disingenuous again ProudLib72 May 2018 #21

No, I'm not oberliner May 2018 #22

"One of the persons quoted literally says that the Jews should be sent to Germany." ProudLib72 May 2018 #35

Your charitable interpretation is wrong MaybeYourCousin May 2018 #48

Sorry but you are dead wrong ProudLib72 May 2018 #49

Occupation as commonly understood by Palestinian Arabs MaybeYourCousin May 2018 #53

I believe you are getting two terms confused ProudLib72 May 2018 #54

Definitions MaybeYourCousin May 2018 #61

"Most of them come from Germany and other European countries." DemocratSinceBirth May 2018 #24

The party line is "One state equals the elimination of Israel" Crunchy Frog May 2018 #18

Send the Jews back to Germany? oberliner May 2018 #29

I know that's a rhetorical question. DemocratSinceBirth May 2018 #31

That's not even remotely close to being true oberliner May 2018 #32

That the lion's share of Israel's citizens were born there (Israel) ? DemocratSinceBirth May 2018 #33

Sabras, call them sabras ProudLib72 May 2018 #36

Yeah. I know a lot of second, third, and fourth generation Israelis. DemocratSinceBirth May 2018 #38

Have you read AB Yehoshua's Mr Mani? ProudLib72 May 2018 #39

There are many on both sides who won't acknowledge the other's humanity, identity, and yearnings. DemocratSinceBirth May 2018 #40

Misunderstood the post oberliner May 2018 #44

I won't even dignify that with an answer, Crunchy Frog May 2018 #45

You wrote: "I think the kids in the post are right." oberliner May 2018 #46

I'm not in favor of deportation. Crunchy Frog May 2018 #47

A one state solution is not tenable. DetroitLegalBeagle May 2018 #51

Do you think Hamas would support a secular state? hack89 May 2018 #58

One state where all are equal citizens? guillaumeb May 2018 #27

Finally! ProudLib72 May 2018 #37

In an ideal two state solution there could be economic cooperation between the two nations. DemocratSinceBirth May 2018 #41

Yes, this is what I have thought all along ProudLib72 May 2018 #42

That could be a solution, guillaumeb May 2018 #62

That would put Jewish holy sites leftynyc May 2018 #64

Then eternal violence is the only probable result. eom guillaumeb May 2018 #65

They all want sabbat hunter May 2018 #28

as we fight the conflict here on DU .... kwassa May 2018 #34

Pretty horrifying. NCTraveler May 2018 #52

There must be no "one-state solution" for Israel Devil Child May 2018 #60

What do you see as a potential solution? oberliner May 2018 #63