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Gothmog

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541. No one would do something this stupid unless forced to so

Wed May 23, 2018, 08:55 PM

May 2018

You do know that parties care about down ballot races. This disgusting stunt by sanders will hurt down ballot candidates. Are you saying that the Vermont Democratic party does not care about doen ballot candidates?

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Sanders to run as a Democrat -- but not accept nomination (2018 Senate) [View all] Exotica May 2018 OP

Totally Outrageous Me. May 2018 #1

I dont know what to say other than what I want to say but better not. Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #3

It wouldn't be another Democrat, it would be A Democrat sunRISEnow May 2018 #7

WElcome Me. May 2018 #9

Thank you, Me. I think Democrats are done with this game. Republicans, Independents, Libertarians sunRISEnow May 2018 #12

Democrats are done with what? tonedevil May 2018 #18

The senate race, what has been done since Sanders sold his vote to the Democratic Party in 1991 sunRISEnow May 2018 #27

I will say... tonedevil May 2018 #30

I think he has been a mediocre senator. He doesn't hurt us for sure. Doesn't leave an impact. sunRISEnow May 2018 #38

No impact tazkcmo May 2018 #458

No impact. HRC was the voice for HC and first step in 1990's. sunRISEnow May 2018 #459

Have a nice day tazkcmo May 2018 #465

Fact is not hate. You made a false statement. I corrected it. If Bernie was sunRISEnow May 2018 #466

Bernie had an impact on the provision in ACA that funded community health clinics karynnj May 2018 #539

"sold his vote to the Democratic Party"? Voltaire2 May 2018 #37

Democratic Party and Bernie made an agreement. Not put up a viable candidate and Sanders vote Dem. sunRISEnow May 2018 #40

But that is not what you wrote. Voltaire2 May 2018 #42

It is simple. Democrats not put up a candidate and he vote Dem. Sounds like a sale to me. sunRISEnow May 2018 #45

So you have documentation that Sanders threatened to vote with the Voltaire2 May 2018 #52

The reason for the agreement is Bernie ran against a Dem and lost. As did the Dem. sunRISEnow May 2018 #56

Oh so there was no "vote sale". Voltaire2 May 2018 #59

Lets see. Don't run a viable candidate. Will vote Dem. Not cash, but it is a sale. sunRISEnow May 2018 #70

Post hoc ergo prompter hoc. LanternWaste May 2018 #264

Dishonest twist, Voltaire. Sanders can withhold his vote. Hortensis May 2018 #204

So he is one of the most reliable Democratic votes Voltaire2 May 2018 #205

Sanders votes Democrat to keep his job. Hortensis May 2018 #207

So you think he would vote with the Republicans Voltaire2 May 2018 #257

:) Play your games elsewhere. Hortensis May 2018 #263

You'll never get an answer... so, the answer is obvious. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #564

Ok a deal. a quid pro quo. elehhhhna May 2018 #103

Very simple to understand... yet some choose not to. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #46

You mean like ehrnst May 2018 #424

Maybe you should take up whatever beef you have - real or imagined - with the "establishment" InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #425

I'm just awed at the irony of ehrnst May 2018 #426

Okay, if it's just awe, and not a "beef"... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #430

Where to start.... ehrnst May 2018 #433

Thanks Erhnst for taking the time to provide substantive responses to my comments... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #451

Wouldn't this candidate have "out-Bernied Bernie?" ehrnst May 2018 #569

+1 betsuni May 2018 #574

Consider that while he competed (you have to consider, there were fewer candidates than usual), Demsrule86 May 2018 #446

All fair points you make, as usual Dems... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #455

We abso-fuckin-lutely agree ...we have to defeat the scumbag in the white house ...if he is still Demsrule86 May 2018 #468

Yup, yup, we're on the same page... wish everyone here was. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #470

We are on the same page...I always enjoy you posts...and agree with you on most issues. Demsrule86 May 2018 #520

Thank you for saying that Dems, I enjoy reading what you have to say too... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #521

This is a dumb and bad deal Gothmog May 2018 #219

"The party" you refer to has been & still is in complete agreement w/ Bernie - three times, in InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #428

The party is hurting down ballot candidates with this stupid deal Gothmog May 2018 #429

See Goth, now that's a fair argument... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #431

The Vermont Party is making a major mistake in catering to the wishes of a non-democrat Gothmog May 2018 #460

I see where you're coming from Gothmog, but... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #462

"1. Bernie IS a Democrat". No, he is not. How can you say this out loud, sunRISEnow May 2018 #464

Don't twist what I said... why do you do this? Talk about gaslighting!! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #469

He quoted you correctly, repeatedly. And what is the source of your voting claim? ucrdem May 2018 #472

Nope, he didn't... that's a lie. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #474

Of course he did. You posted the claim several times. And where's that link? nt ucrdem May 2018 #486

That is a bit of prevarication... tonedevil May 2018 #490

Bernie is NOT a Democrat, regardless of his intent or purposes. This is truly simple enough. sunRISEnow May 2018 #492

A quotation is correct if the same words are in the same order. ucrdem May 2018 #494

Yes, because you did lie about what I said... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #516

You clearly said it. If it isn't true, self-delete and stop accusing DU members of lying. nt ucrdem May 2018 #522

Nope, here's what I said... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #524

You just said it again. Where's that link by the way? nt ucrdem May 2018 #525

Not so. Obama saying "You didn't build that" is a perfect counterexample. Jim Lane May 2018 #542

You're mixing up accuracy and fairness. The quote in question here is accurate and fair. nt ucrdem May 2018 #556

Yes, tonedevil, it's so obvious whats going on here... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #513

I am kind of... tonedevil May 2018 #530

Bernie does not get ownership of the party while making a concerted effort to be unattached sunRISEnow May 2018 #473

Okay, that's a different argument sunRise... a perfectly legitimate one to make InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #481

I disagree with you and absolutely stand with my original post. sunRISEnow May 2018 #484

You did misquote... tonedevil May 2018 #491

No, Bernie is not a Democrat. Regardless. sunRISEnow May 2018 #493

You still misquoted. /nt tonedevil May 2018 #496

Okay sunRise... as I expected. Copying and pasting the 1st 4 words of a long quote to change it's InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #495

There was no misquotation. You made the claim and now want to pretend you really didn't. nt ucrdem May 2018 #499

"Bernie is a Democrat"... tonedevil May 2018 #500

He is not a Democrat. Period. He says so. sunRISEnow May 2018 #501

That isn't the issue is it? tonedevil May 2018 #503

That is exactly and exclusively the issue. Bernie is not a Democrat. sunRISEnow May 2018 #506

His English is fine, the claim is false, and the quotation is correct. ucrdem May 2018 #502

You don't seem to do math any better... tonedevil May 2018 #504

Hahahahaha, good one tonedevil!!! Can't believe people can argue with the a straight face InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #529

Yes. We all know Bernie is an Independent and not a Democrat. We know the qualifier is used so sunRISEnow May 2018 #532

I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU. good post trueblue2007 May 2018 #560

I honestly... tonedevil May 2018 #533

If Bernie is a really a Democrat, he would not be engaging in this stunt Gothmog May 2018 #511

How do you know... tonedevil May 2018 #534

Precisely... and they've gone along with the deal three times now in each InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #536

I'm not from Vermont... tonedevil May 2018 #543

You would think the VT Democratic Party would be trusted... unless your an Expert Bernie Basher. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #562

No one would do something this stupid unless forced to so Gothmog May 2018 #541

I'm saying I think... tonedevil May 2018 #545

Why would the Vermont Party want to hurt down ballot candidates Gothmog May 2018 #605

What evidence do you have... tonedevil May 2018 #608

This is really rather basic political science-have you heard of coattails? Gothmog May 2018 #610

Just because you think it might doesn't mean it does... tonedevil May 2018 #612

Denial is not just a river in Africa Gothmog May 2018 #615

I didn't say the coattail effect... tonedevil May 2018 #616

It doesn't hurt those down ballot. karynnj May 2018 #540

That's irrelevant if the goal is to bash Bernie at all costs. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #563

Interesting how you see the discussion of the of this deal between Bernie ehrnst May 2018 #570

Interesting how you misapply my comment generally speaking... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #577

*I* know what the decades old deal is they have with Bernie, but ehrnst May 2018 #578

Not true Ehrnst... in fact, I see your point... wish you could see mine. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #579

Yes, it's true bLuE... I think I see your point very clearly. ehrnst May 2018 #580

Thanks. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #581

You can very definitely give up on one of your requests Jim Lane May 2018 #591

That's my pet peeve too... but it's a clear sign of a weak argument for all to see. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #593

"You'd never hear the end of it!!" Actually, you'd never hear the beginning of it. Jim Lane May 2018 #595

No question about it Jim! Oh and don't you dare accuse them of Bernie Bashing, which it is of course InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #596

Started in 1990, when they refused to authorize a candidate to the left of Bernie ehrnst May 2018 #572

Pro war, anti decriminalization. sunRISEnow May 2018 #586

not those Democrats. Voltaire2 May 2018 #34

Don't let the facts get in the way of a good Bernie bashing!! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #112

Don't worry, they never do. (n/t) Jim Lane May 2018 #150

That's for sure. Hortensis May 2018 #209

The Democratic Party can very easily prevent the outcome you're concerned about. Jim Lane May 2018 #210

We have superdelegates to help prevent Trumps Hortensis May 2018 #215

Now I understand your position on superdelegates Jim Lane May 2018 #217

My position IS codified and the refinements contemplated Hortensis May 2018 #223

No, stop pushing that, you know it isn't true. stevenleser May 2018 #408

I truthfully pointed out the inconsistency in Hortensis's position Jim Lane May 2018 #416

Conversely ehrnst May 2018 #423

You are flat-out misstating the facts. Jim Lane May 2018 #442

No, I'm not misstating anything. You are perpetuating smears about the DNC. ehrnst May 2018 #456

You are smearing the Vermont Democratic Party Jim Lane May 2018 #471

Nope. ehrnst May 2018 #479

Classical misdirection. Jim Lane May 2018 #485

What part of "nope" is unclear to you? ehrnst May 2018 #505

I'll tell you what's clear to me. Jim Lane May 2018 #508

And once again, you contradict your own insistence ehrnst May 2018 #509

To wit - ehrnst May 2018 #567

+1 betsuni May 2018 #573

Brava sheshe2 May 2018 #601

I agree with you... completely. You're right on all counts!! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #597

There you go again Jim... citing evidence and making WAY too much sense!! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #598

Now here's what I call a well-fitting shoe... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #632

THIS!! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #599

Hahaha... excellent post Jim!! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #537

Thanks! And I admire your patience in this thread. Jim Lane May 2018 #544

I hear ya Jim. I like to assume the best of people here, as fellow progressives... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #559

+1000 (nt) ehrnst May 2018 #507

It always amazes me when someone who isn't a member of an organization feels that he/she.... George II May 2018 #512

They get to because they "might as well be part of the org with a voice" because they vote like them sunRISEnow May 2018 #514

"for all intents and purposes...." George II May 2018 #518

Right, lol. sunRISEnow May 2018 #519

No kidding. But nonmembers are the ones who Hortensis May 2018 #523

So... ehrnst May 2018 #427

Done Jim Lane May 2018 #437

Got nothing, I see. ehrnst May 2018 #438

Personally I am going to GIVE UP trying to convince people who claim to be liberals or Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #463

I, too, am dismayed by ehrnst's false criticism of the Vermont Democratic Party in #456. Jim Lane May 2018 #476

If it's fact, then it's fact. ehrnst May 2018 #480

:) They won't be. When have they ever won? Hortensis May 2018 #528

While rump sells the WH Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #478

Always easier to put words in your mouth... hell, even when some sposedly quote you here... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #600

The Vermont Democratic Party does not LiberalFighter May 2018 #134

OK... tonedevil May 2018 #146

Please explain "how this plays at the DNC level" Voltaire2 May 2018 #156

What ever IT wants or needs to.. disillusioned73 May 2018 #245

The DNC doesn't prevent anyone from running as an authorized Democratic candidate ehrnst May 2018 #457

Just thought of something. He would've pulled this crap if he'd gotten the Dem... brush May 2018 #69

There is a thought, right? sunRISEnow May 2018 #71

Quite Me. May 2018 #97

He likely would had pulled that crap. LiberalFighter May 2018 #137

I very much doubt he would have done that. BlueTsunami2018 May 2018 #142

Oh so doing it twice in his state with the state Democrats going along would... brush May 2018 #145

Come on, try to see past your bias. BlueTsunami2018 May 2018 #182

Newsflash: He already abandoned the party, but fortunately we will have new... brush May 2018 #191

Blue, seriously, I don't think Sanders is ruled by sense, Hortensis May 2018 #254

If that is so than he shouldn't have needed to safeguard his chances by locking out other legitimate Demsrule86 May 2018 #447

I think so, too. sunRISEnow May 2018 #449

Yes, it sure doesn't seem like a person with confidence in his chances to win would do this. Demsrule86 May 2018 #453

No one was locked out by Sanders or the party karynnj May 2018 #546

You got that right Blue, which splains Bernie's leading popularity among active politicians. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #538

And the BS supporters mentioned in the article lapucelle May 2018 #73

It's A Corruption Of Process Me. May 2018 #88

My state has open primaries- dawg day May 2018 #106

If we had open primaries in my red-leaning-purple county, lapucelle May 2018 #126

That was probably a good idea back then. But considering how it is today. LiberalFighter May 2018 #139

In 2008 McCain won NO Republican primaries. Hortensis May 2018 #269

Yes. Good post. sunRISEnow May 2018 #278

Good catch! NurseJackie May 2018 #141

... Me. May 2018 #143

This is really sad and unethical behavior Gothmog May 2018 #193

Yes It Is Me. May 2018 #258

Why? No D will run against him in his home state. That's how it's done last 2 elections. Sunlei May 2018 #211

So Let's See Me. May 2018 #411

EXCELLENT. EXCELLENT POINT !!! trueblue2007 May 2018 #410

This is disgusting. The DNC is fucked with him screwing around like this. bettyellen May 2018 #2

Yes, the Democratic Party will be SO damaged when Bernie wins re-election to the Senate... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #72

Democrats are tired of Bernie bashing and attacking Democrats. The reaction should be expected. sunRISEnow May 2018 #78

Running as a Democrat is hardly bashing Democrats. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #81

Bashing and attacking Dems though, is bashing and attacking Dems. sunRISEnow May 2018 #86

Right, that's what why so many Democrats are coming around to many of Bernie's progressive ideas. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #90

I disagree here, too. Everything Bernie says, the Democrats have been addressing forever. sunRISEnow May 2018 #92

Exactly, sunRISEnow. sheshe2 May 2018 #602

Rejecting the nomination is literally rejecting the party. We should respond in kind. Fair? bettyellen May 2018 #144

Your beef is with... tonedevil May 2018 #148

No, I know this is Sanders decision and I think it's a fucked up thing to do... bettyellen May 2018 #154

So the Vermont Democratic Party... tonedevil May 2018 #159

Are you saying they prefer he doesn't stay a Dem? bettyellen May 2018 #165

Living in California... tonedevil May 2018 #171

I feel like no one paid much attention how he got there. But now he dumped the Dems in 16 and plans bettyellen May 2018 #176

I don't share your point of view... tonedevil May 2018 #181

I'm fine w him being a liberal Indy in the senate. Not fine with the leadership bettyellen May 2018 #183

We are in agreement... tonedevil May 2018 #202

He is better than nothing I suppose...but I can't say he is exactly great either. Demsrule86 May 2018 #432

Would you prefer Bernie run as an Independent in 2020 if he decides InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #370

I think he should get real and stop this ego driven bullshit. If he is not a Dem, there is no bettyellen May 2018 #406

Okay bettyellen, thank you for your straightforward, honest answer... I do respect that InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #412

It is my opinion that if Sen.Sanders runs in a 20 presidential primary, we will lose the general. Demsrule86 May 2018 #434

I have to wonder if Sen. Sanders is uncertain of his support in Vermont that he chooses to do Demsrule86 May 2018 #436

Even when you plan to turn down the nomination, and are doing it ehrnst May 2018 #345

Look at you. sunRISEnow May 2018 #349

This is what I object to with Sen. Sanders. This is exactly what he accused the DNC of doing. Demsrule86 May 2018 #435

It would be that coronation he and his supporters discussed so often. sunRISEnow May 2018 #443

It is a coronation...not even pretending to have a fair primary. He must be worried about his Demsrule86 May 2018 #454

Speak for yourself. Lots of Democrats like what Bernie is saying. aikoaiko May 2018 #149

And a lot more do not what Bernie is saying. He lost. He does not have the vast majority. sunRISEnow May 2018 #158

True, he doesn't have the vast majority, but he does have the ear of many Democrats like me. aikoaiko May 2018 #160

I understand you have differing views. But to state your opinion yet tell me not to state mine is sunRISEnow May 2018 #163

Well, to be clear, I'm not asking you to not state your opinion -- only to qualify it. aikoaiko May 2018 #167

You're saying most Democrats don't want a $15 minimum wage, liberalnarb May 2018 #220

More like "there isn't a difference between the two parties". sunRISEnow May 2018 #271

Right. That was the message of his campaign. liberalnarb May 2018 #281

Right. He has been saying it for over four decades and was certainly the theme in 2016. sunRISEnow May 2018 #285

Funny, I remember him saying liberalnarb May 2018 #289

What does that minute in time begrudgingly have to do with four decades of rhetoric? sunRISEnow May 2018 #291

Senator Sanders didn't say that there were no differences between the two parties. liberalnarb May 2018 #307

Bernie has said repeatedly, over four decades there was no difference in the parties. sunRISEnow May 2018 #310

Link? liberalnarb May 2018 #311

You do not need a link nor does any one else who is politically inclined. Gas lighting. sunRISEnow May 2018 #316

You just changed the subject of your argument. I did not say Bernie never said he was not a Democrat liberalnarb May 2018 #319

"You just changed the subject of your argument." Gas lighting. sunRISEnow May 2018 #324

"Gaslighting"? As in trying to make you question your own memory? liberalnarb May 2018 #339

Amazing that as soon as you asked for substantiation Voltaire2 May 2018 #379

Are you seriously arguing Bernie has not said both parties are the same? sunRISEnow May 2018 #382

Link? Voltaire2 May 2018 #387

Expected on DU, yes. Expected in the Vermont Democratic primary, no. Jim Lane May 2018 #152

It did in the 2016 presidential primary though. But that's different from Vermont. brush May 2018 #380

It's hard to assess the NET impact in 2016. Jim Lane May 2018 #385

Actually Bernie would not have done better in 2016 if, like Leahy, he had always been a Democrat karynnj May 2018 #531

Nah. He would've done better if he had always been a Dem. brush May 2018 #547

You might consider O'Malley also started with no superdelegates karynnj May 2018 #553

You might also consider that he wasn't a Democrat... brush May 2018 #555

O'Malley was a Democrat karynnj May 2018 #566

You have to be kidding. He continually bashed the party. brush May 2018 #582

No I wasn't karynnj May 2018 #584

Again, he continually attacked the Democratic Party during the... brush May 2018 #585

What do you mean by attacking the "Democratic Party"? karynnj May 2018 #587

Oh, please. He bashed the Democratic Party more than the did the repugs. brush May 2018 #589

That is absolutely not what I saw -- I suggest that no one's view is prefect karynnj May 2018 #590

Again with avoiding the point. brush May 2018 #592

You're damned right it would've caused damage if he had pulled the same thing... brush May 2018 #104

lol, we're not talkin' about 2016... why are you changing the subject? InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #110

Swooosh! If he's pulled it twice before in his state why wouldn't he have tried it... brush May 2018 #115

Because Bernie would make an EXCELLENT President!! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #119

How many bills has he gotten passed? brush May 2018 #122

All the ones Bernie voted for in support of Democrats and Obama signed. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #124

You know exactly what I mean. How many bills has he sponsored and gotten... brush May 2018 #132

Voting the highest percentage of the time with other Democrats IS playing well with other Democrats! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #168

But with no legislative achievements of his own is not getting it done... brush May 2018 #192

Lol. "No legislative accomplishments" Hassin Bin Sober May 2018 #369

Co-sponsored? brush May 2018 #378

The Vermont Democratic party is fine with this, it was done his last Senate Autumn May 2018 #384

Good thing he has the Democratic Party to help him win in his home state. ehrnst May 2018 #229

Yeah, like Bernie couldn't win re-election on his own, he's so unpopular in his home state... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #236

If that's true, ehrnst May 2018 #241

I responded to your comment. Why don't you respond to mine?... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #244

Actually, you're evading my question. ehrnst May 2018 #247

I did answer...because Bernie is NOT eliminating the possibility of a Democratic challenger... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #253

From the OP: ehrnst May 2018 #256

So, if the OP incorrectly states that another Democrat is excluded from running against Bernie InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #268

I see that you still want to derail, instead of answering an uncomfortable question. ehrnst May 2018 #272

LOL Ernst... nice strawman argument... good try! But, you still cant InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #275

I know you are but what am I? The resort of the truly desperate derailer... ehrnst May 2018 #288

Yes Ehrnst... I know the article says that... I've conceded that point InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #298

It doesn't matter... tonedevil May 2018 #302

So why do YOU think he feels he needs ehrnst May 2018 #326

Any answer I give... tonedevil May 2018 #334

I don't know how this jibes with how popular in Vermont people say he is, ehrnst May 2018 #340

The Democratic party of Vermont... tonedevil May 2018 #365

I just think that it's ironic ehrnst May 2018 #422

Any challenger could get signatures and get on the ballot karynnj May 2018 #535

There are already some announced challengers. Jim Lane May 2018 #548

But are there any candidates like this? ehrnst May 2018 #571

If that's the case, why won't Sanders primary as an independent? ehrnst May 2018 #565

The Democratic party AND Sanders want to avoid a three way race where the Democrats have a karynnj May 2018 #568

It appears that the effect is that it blocks any Dem challenger, even those to the left of Bernie ehrnst May 2018 #575

What is an unauthorized candidate - was she on the ballot? karynnj May 2018 #583

So, Democratic leaders not endorsing a candidate for the primary is reliable indicator that ehrnst May 2018 #588

I think you should check the history of politics in Vermont, especially among non-republicans. George II May 2018 #259

I think you should check the history of politics in Vermont, especially among non-republicans. George II May 2018 #260

Sacred cows are indeed, more important than party or platform. LanternWaste May 2018 #265

Oh Lordy Hassin Bin Sober May 2018 #118

This one thread more than any other, defines DU Autumn May 2018 #299

That's an awfully cynical view. There are compelling arguments against it. Jim Lane May 2018 #549

Let me know when you think of them. Autumn May 2018 #576

Well, go to Vermont and try to get people here to vote for his very lame opponent karynnj May 2018 #189

Apparently they're used to this weird game, I think it makes him look selfish and unstable bettyellen May 2018 #197

Yeah well he made sure to have only lame opponents didn't he? One has to wonder about what he Demsrule86 May 2018 #444

I do not think Bernie running is what hurt the Democrats. I think it was the bots/trolls/Russia sunRISEnow May 2018 #450

Possibly, but if he didn't run...we might have the White House as the Russians would not have Demsrule86 May 2018 #452

That is absolutely unprovable karynnj May 2018 #498

It is my opinion and by definition unprovable. I believe a close election is subject to such Demsrule86 May 2018 #515

No one "chooses" his or her own opponents karynnj May 2018 #461

He with a little help from the Vermont Democratic Party made it impossible to field Demsrule86 May 2018 #467

Do you live in Vermont or have a private source of information on that? karynnj May 2018 #497

Read the article. I don't care what his approval rate is. This is wrong. Demsrule86 May 2018 #517

I read the article and I live in Vermont karynnj May 2018 #526

Agreed Gothmog May 2018 #195

HUGELY so. Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #405

Agreed. nt stevenleser May 2018 #409

I'm getting really tired of him thumbing the eyes of the Democratic Party. NightWatcher May 2018 #4

Oh, fer fuck's sake. It never ends. Squinch May 2018 #5

You sure got that right... time for the Bernie bashing to stop! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #75

Yes. It's time for Bernie to stop bashing Democrats. Squinch May 2018 #93

+a brazillion shanny May 2018 #161

That is what he does. leftofcool May 2018 #6

DNC Phone Number Me. May 2018 #8

Feel the Bern. aikoaiko May 2018 #10

Burn Is Right Me. May 2018 #21

... SidDithers May 2018 #82

Its ok with the Vermont Democratic Party. Voltaire2 May 2018 #11

I would ask them, if I lived in Vermont Exotica May 2018 #16

Their not stupid and woukld rather have Bernie than a republican. nt Snotcicles May 2018 #22

congratulations! Voltaire2 May 2018 #31

Precisely!! Glad someone here gets it. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #51

Yep. To me it doesn't matter since.. mvd May 2018 #109

No question... it's obvious what's going on here. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #111

Yahtzee! AtomicKitten May 2018 #199

Lol GusBob May 2018 #133

Bingo! KPN May 2018 #361

Who wouldn't? But it is interesting that this year, he feels the need for this what I consider a Demsrule86 May 2018 #445

Why interesting? It's what he's done in each of his last several House and Senate campaigns. Jim Lane May 2018 #550

And history repeats itself. MrsCoffee May 2018 #13

Asshole! ProudLib72 May 2018 #14

Dick!...heh JCanete May 2018 #417

I seek further guidance on this score. Jim Lane May 2018 #551

... ProudLib72 May 2018 #554

What the fuck is the matter with him? Adrahil May 2018 #15

What's The Matter With Vermont Dems Me. May 2018 #19

Maybe they know something you do not. /nt tonedevil May 2018 #23

That They're Not Actually Dems? Me. May 2018 #24

Now you want a war with... tonedevil May 2018 #25

WE Do Me. May 2018 #26

The Democratic party of Vermont... tonedevil May 2018 #28

I'll Tell You What I Know Me. May 2018 #105

I see this is very hard for you. /nt tonedevil May 2018 #273

You're Right Me. May 2018 #274

That isn't happening, tonedevil May 2018 #276

Sorry You Can't See It Me. May 2018 #292

He'd win as an independent janterry May 2018 #41

Precisely Me. May 2018 #96

Hmmm. Maybe for the same reason he ran as a Dem shanny May 2018 #164

Wait, so Mr. Popularity might not win if he ran as an Independent? seaglass May 2018 #221

what are you talking about? shanny May 2018 #249

You mentioned splitting the left vote. Do you not understand what you wrote? n/t seaglass May 2018 #250

I said that Bernie very deliberately did NOT split the left vote, shanny May 2018 #286

Maybe you don't write very clearly. It appeared you were saying that he ran as a Dem in 2016 seaglass May 2018 #297

He ran as a Dem in the 2016 primary--instead of as an Independent in the general-- shanny May 2018 #394

This is just patently false. He had no name recognition to split the vote, R B Garr May 2018 #395

Exactly. Why is he running for both? Why Cha May 2018 #173

One Would Think Me. May 2018 #186

Excellent questions Cha May 2018 #188

To not split the liberal vote which would allow a Repub to have a chance. Cuthbert Allgood May 2018 #251

So pesky being an Independent. that mean Cha May 2018 #391

Then what's his reason for not running as an Independent? George II May 2018 #261

Heck, I just want candidate that care enough about the party to not fuck with it. NT Adrahil May 2018 #47

If they are called the Vermont Democratic Party, guillaumeb May 2018 #36

apparently they are impure. Voltaire2 May 2018 #39

As "impure" as Bernie. No more or less. sunRISEnow May 2018 #44

And in need of re-education? guillaumeb May 2018 #48

This whole thread is just another Bernie Hate Fest. Voltaire2 May 2018 #57

We agree. eom guillaumeb May 2018 #66

Ding ding ding... we have a winner!!! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #67

Got it in one shanny May 2018 #166

If They're Not Supporting Dems Me. May 2018 #94

If they feel that Sanders is the best candidate for their own state, guillaumeb May 2018 #108

Have They Tried Running A Dem Me. May 2018 #114

So the Vermont Democratic Party is not composed of Vermont Democrats? guillaumeb May 2018 #116

JUst Asked Me. May 2018 #120

I am accepting that the leaders of the Vermont Democratic Party guillaumeb May 2018 #123

See That's Just The Point Me. May 2018 #128

I respect that he has his reasons, guillaumeb May 2018 #131

Fair Enough Me. May 2018 #135

See Now...I Said I Wonder Me. May 2018 #323

Do you feel the same way about Manchin and WVA? brer cat May 2018 #178

The more important question is: guillaumeb May 2018 #381

I checked. Most State Democratic Parties have bylaws that would either prohibit this stevenleser May 2018 #306

Seems to be working... tonedevil May 2018 #308

Nope, it's not working. There is a reason for these bylaws and it is to prevent exactly this stevenleser May 2018 #312

Not working? tonedevil May 2018 #315

Nope, not working. The bylaws are to prevent endorsements of non-Democrats and to stevenleser May 2018 #317

What isn't working? tonedevil May 2018 #321

He won't be returning to the Senate as Democratic Senator Sanders, the Democrats will be... George II May 2018 #397

He will caucus with them... tonedevil May 2018 #399

Bingo. (NT) ehrnst May 2018 #344

Manipulation of lack of law, harming the Democratic Party. sunRISEnow May 2018 #320

The Vermont Democratic Parry... tonedevil May 2018 #325

Maybe there should be a conversation had? I am saying, sunRISEnow May 2018 #328

Go have that conversation... tonedevil May 2018 #336

I work with the local Democratic Party in a very blue state. sunRISEnow May 2018 #343

What do you mean hurting our party? KPN May 2018 #364

Republicans are comfortable with institutionalized Hortensis May 2018 #392

Not working? Where? Vermont? KPN May 2018 #363

Exactly, Vermont. I know this because I read their bylaws, thats how. stevenleser May 2018 #371

No. I guess I was mistaken -- thought you said the rules KPN May 2018 #376

How is it working for the Democratic Party. They haven't had a Democrat in that seat for 12 years. George II May 2018 #396

I think you need to take that up with... tonedevil May 2018 #398

I understand politics in Vermont. If I didn't I wouldn't comment on it. George II May 2018 #400

Then you must know... tonedevil May 2018 #401

I know that they keep making this "deal", I don't know why. That doesn't mean I don't understand it. George II May 2018 #403

That seems kind of key to understanding Vermont politics. /nt tonedevil May 2018 #404

Thanks For The Info Me. May 2018 #327

Seriously tonedevil... they all want Bernie to choose the Democratic Party... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #43

Correct. Well said. eom guillaumeb May 2018 #50

There's just no pleasing some people! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #53

I don't. I would rather an honest candidate than playing coy in 2016 or into the future Presidential sunRISEnow May 2018 #54

lol, Bernie is the most honest straight forward politician since Jimmy Carter... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #60

I do not think he is. I think he says it to the point some buy it, but I do not agree. sunRISEnow May 2018 #74

I respect your opinion sunRise, but more people disagree with you... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #80

I do not know that they do. I think otherwise. The few little polls that show him most popular sunRISEnow May 2018 #83

Certainly, we should all be willing to listen to other's views and open to being persuaded. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #102

Wish I could see his full taxes so I'd believe that. bettyellen May 2018 #198

ah you beat me to it. stevenleser May 2018 #373

this is one of my 2 big issues with him Exotica May 2018 #628

lol, straightforward enough to show his tax returns? Oops, guess not. stevenleser May 2018 #372

He he joins the party and STAYS in the party.... Adrahil May 2018 #55

How is Bernie locking out other candidates?!?! They're free to run against him InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #61

How naive are you? Adrahil May 2018 #89

You're the naive one, not me. How is Bernie locking out any Democrat who is free to run against him? InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #95

You didn't answer my question: WHY does he refuse the nomination? Adrahil May 2018 #101

Yes, to prevent a Republican from winning the Vermont Senate seat with a plurality of the vote. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #107

I never said that... Adrahil May 2018 #138

Shouldn't you take that up with the... tonedevil May 2018 #153

I expect him to actually run as a Democrat. WTF!? NT Adrahil May 2018 #174

He isn't going to run for Senate... tonedevil May 2018 #177

Think. He'd have done this if he'd won our presidential nom. in 2016. brush May 2018 #77

You can't be serious. Nobody is that obtuse. Cuthbert Allgood May 2018 #252

You don't know that. He did it twice in Vermont to run as an independent brush May 2018 #267

Would you say the same if Sanders was a Republican? Hortensis May 2018 #393

Ummm no... the reason is to prevent a Rethuglican from winning the Senate seat by a plurality... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #117

The most popular politician in the world, beloved by Vermonters could lose if he ran seaglass May 2018 #226

Good try... so who's your favorite Democrat to defeat Bernie & is locked out of running against him? InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #237

I don't live in Vermont. I'm surprised by the argument that he is running as a Dem because seaglass May 2018 #238

This is a good counter to argue his popularity. Then why, is he so worried about a split vote. sunRISEnow May 2018 #280

If anyone is worried it would be the Vermont Democratic Party. Autumn May 2018 #305

No, didn't you hear?! Bernie is locking out all Democrats from running InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #375

Remember the intelligent conversations from the past Autumn May 2018 #377

Me too. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #413

It's not like he's done that for every race since he lost the congressional race. ehrnst May 2018 #421

So this will be his fourth switcheroo? ucrdem May 2018 #17

Well, as long as he's not accepting the nomination.......... DFW May 2018 #20

Bernie is a disruptor. Don't hate on him. Just recognize underthematrix May 2018 #29

He hath disrupted... poorly. nt stevenleser May 2018 #187

And, will be returning to the Senate... tonedevil May 2018 #277

So will Ted Cruz probably. And? Nt stevenleser May 2018 #557

Are you suggesting... tonedevil May 2018 #558

WTF? Va Lefty May 2018 #32

I support the Vermont Democratic Party. guillaumeb May 2018 #33

Me too!! Maybe they know WTF they're doin'!! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #65

Brady Bill....PLCAA....Russia sanctions.... N/T lapucelle May 2018 #113

The Vermont party is making a major mistake Gothmog May 2018 #196

THe US does not have a parliamentary type system. eom guillaumeb May 2018 #383

This is why we, as a party, can't have nice things. n/t Tarheel_Dem May 2018 #35

... shanny May 2018 #170

Oh, absolutely. If only Bernie were a Democrat, we would've defeated the Haspel nomination. Jim Lane May 2018 #179

Idea: Keep primaries closed and force the release of tax returns. n/t manor321 May 2018 #49

He's not a member of the party, Vermont Dems. Don't you see that? n/t cynatnite May 2018 #58

71.1% of the vote in 2012. Voltaire2 May 2018 #63

They saw that in 2006 RhodeIslandOne May 2018 #64

This has been going on since he first ran in 2006 RhodeIslandOne May 2018 #62

THIS... oh the outrage!! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #100

He still wanted to primary a popular Obama in 2012 Blue_Tires May 2018 #346

It's up to the Vermont Democratic party how they want to handle this, but..... LisaM May 2018 #68

The Vermont Vermont Democratic party is fine with him running as a Dem and then Autumn May 2018 #91

Question about "he'd better hand over those email lists...." Jim Lane May 2018 #155

That big lengthy list of what? Four people? LisaM May 2018 #157

erm, Hillary rents hers. shanny May 2018 #172

To say "Hillary turned hers over" obscures the fact that she SOLD it. Jim Lane May 2018 #175

List of Democratic candidates LisaM May 2018 #184

I was referring to your comment #68 -- "he'd better hand over those email lists" Jim Lane May 2018 #185

This is why has little accomplishments despite being in political office for decades JI7 May 2018 #76

Who cares? snowybirdie May 2018 #79

Judging by Bernie's voting record siding with Democrats more often than any other Democrat... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #87

labels dont matter, votes do AlexSFCA May 2018 #84

I hope he has a long, productive career... SidDithers May 2018 #85

Too late. Squinch May 2018 #98

Why doesn't he retire already and let some one younger run!! Scurrilous May 2018 #99

Why don't we let the voters of Vermont decide? Now THERE'S a concept!! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #121

Nah, that's democracy and stuff that you're talking about. Uncle Joe May 2018 #125

Yeah, you're right Uncle Joe, we as Democrats shouldn't be supporting democracy... hahaha!! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #127

Cheers and peace to you InAbLuEsTaTe Uncle Joe May 2018 #130

Sounds like the Vermont Democratic party wants to hold on to the Senate seat mountain grammy May 2018 #129

He's done this every time he's run for senate. Why all the hubbub now? BlueTsunami2018 May 2018 #136

The right would rather have a republicon. nt RandiFan1290 May 2018 #147

Because there is a dedicated group who won't let the 2016 primary die. LostOne4Ever May 2018 #201

They're a lot less loud in Democratic politics liberalnarb May 2018 #222

Over 90% of his voters moved smoothly to the nominee Hortensis May 2018 #475

I was going to post that I do not believe he had 45%. He had to get those votes thru open primary sunRISEnow May 2018 #477

Yes. And that he KNEW it and tried to draw them to him, Hortensis May 2018 #487

Right. sunRISEnow May 2018 #489

Besides the fact that he promised not to do this in 2016? nt stevenleser May 2018 #262

Wow grantcart May 2018 #351

Wow, great reminder, steven. This is what happens when someone is not R B Garr May 2018 #355

good catch!!!!! Exotica May 2018 #630

Because he tried to take something that someone else was entitled to. n/t QC May 2018 #279

Sounds like bait and switch. NurseJackie May 2018 #140

He could end up giving us four more years of Trump. Doodley May 2018 #151

By returning to the Senate? /nt tonedevil May 2018 #162

At this point in the thread-fight people are just Voltaire2 May 2018 #206

If only it was just that. Most think he's planning a 2020 presidential run... brush May 2018 #386

Maybe he will... tonedevil May 2018 #389

I like him as a senator and hope he fulfills his full term. brush May 2018 #390

He does it regularly. Nt NCTraveler May 2018 #169

Get w the party/program permanently BS or hit the road. Crutchez_CuiBono May 2018 #180

WTF? DesertRat May 2018 #190

If Sanders refused to be on the ballot, then he should be replaced by Vermont State party Gothmog May 2018 #194

To split the vote and let a Republican win with a plurality short of majority? Jim Lane May 2018 #200

That would only happen if ssnders refuses to run as Democrat Gothmog May 2018 #208

It would only happen if he did that AND the party reacted with spite. Jim Lane May 2018 #212

Sanders would have run as a democrat in the primary Gothmog May 2018 #213

You have the facts wrong. There is no "replace Sanders on the ballot" Jim Lane May 2018 #216

Under current Texas law, Sanders could and would be replaced on the ballot if he pulled this crap Gothmog May 2018 #218

You keep saying "replace" and I strongly doubt that you're correct. Jim Lane May 2018 #290

If he declines the endorsement the person who finishes second is rightfully the Democratic endorsee. George II May 2018 #295

That is not what the Vermont Democratic Party has actually done in the past. Jim Lane May 2018 #313

The Vermont Party is making a major mistake in catering to the wishes of a non-democrat Gothmog May 2018 #604

This is a disgusting stunt that cannot be done under Texas law Gothmog May 2018 #603

Should the Vermont Democratic Party apply Texas law? Jim Lane May 2018 #613

If sanders is such a strong candidate, then why does he have to cheat? Gothmog May 2018 #614

Oh, now it's "cheat"? How absurd. Jim Lane May 2018 #617

Do you tire of being wrong? Gothmog May 2018 #619

And now you're back on your DNC fraud lawsuit obsession. Amazing. Jim Lane May 2018 #623

Thank you for admitting that Sanders is a weak candidate Gothmog May 2018 #624

Virginia RNC is having to select a new candidate Gothmog May 2018 #633

The Vermont Democratic Party... tonedevil May 2018 #634

The Vermont Party is making a major mistake in catering to the wishes of a non-democrat Gothmog May 2018 #635

A replacement candidate in Vermont? /nt tonedevil May 2018 #636

If sanders pulls this disgusting stunt, the Vermont Party needs to replace him on ballot Gothmog May 2018 #637

Needs to? tonedevil May 2018 #639

In the real world, there is something called coat tails Gothmog May 2018 #640

Why do you keep arguing this with ME? Jim Lane May 2018 #638

I was amused to see that Vermont requires tax returns except for bernie Gothmog May 2018 #641

One thing NEVER said here in Vermont is: karynnj May 2018 #552

Texas law at least makes sense Gothmog May 2018 #607

You probably shouldn't... tonedevil May 2018 #618

I like living in a diverse state Gothmog May 2018 #620

I too live in a diverse state... tonedevil May 2018 #622

The Vermont Democratic Party has decided to hurt down ballot candidates Gothmog May 2018 #625

What has to happen to get people to SEE? Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #627

That is a good point. It causes Democrats to not be able to mark Democrat with one vote. sunRISEnow May 2018 #283

Having a full slate is helpful for downballot races Gothmog May 2018 #287

Vermont PBS - Beyond Bernie 1. It's the Person, not the Party Donkees May 2018 #203

If Sanders withdraws as the Democratic candidate, then the party needs to replace him on the ballot Gothmog May 2018 #214

No they don't. liberalnarb May 2018 #224

It was a mistake to do this in the past and it is a mistake to do this now Gothmog May 2018 #230

Why? He's still our candidate. This does no damage. liberalnarb May 2018 #232

If he refuses to be a Democrat on the general election ballot, he is not our candidate Gothmog May 2018 #243

No he doesn't and no they don't. The obsession with such technicalities is silly. liberalnarb May 2018 #246

It is sanders who is running in democratic primary Gothmog May 2018 #255

It's going to happen... tonedevil May 2018 #282

Amen. liberalnarb May 2018 #301

So why does he need Democratic establishment to help to win the primary ehrnst May 2018 #335

Why does the Democratic establishment... tonedevil May 2018 #338

They need do no such thing. liberalnarb May 2018 #293

Being a Democrat and supporting our party to be strong in coming elections is important to much of sunRISEnow May 2018 #296

Apparently not in Vermont where he's been elected twice. liberalnarb May 2018 #303

With the help of the Democrat establishment. ehrnst May 2018 #347

He's running in the Democratic Primary so that he does not serve as a 3rd Party spoiler. liberalnarb May 2018 #350

So you think Vermont won't elect an Bernie as an Independent if he has a Democratic challenger?(nt) ehrnst May 2018 #352

I don't want to take the chance. liberalnarb May 2018 #353

What do you mean by you "not wanting to take the chance?"(nt) ehrnst May 2018 #357

I mean that although I think Sanders would likely easily win re-election in a 3 way race, there liberalnarb May 2018 #359

People who agree with you are perfectly free to vote against Bernie in the primary. Jim Lane May 2018 #314

My view? My "view" is wondering why Bernie feels a need to for the establishment ehrnst May 2018 #354

The primary challenger would not have to be a write-in. Jim Lane May 2018 #366

If a Democratic candidate is blocked from getting party funding ehrnst May 2018 #420

Nothing "blocked" here Jim Lane May 2018 #440

Actually, no. ehrnst May 2018 #448

Great! liberalnarb May 2018 #225

Sanders is beloved in Vermont and Democrats should let this go. Vinca May 2018 #227

I thought he was a shoe-in in his home state, at least. ehrnst May 2018 #231

He probably is. I think Dems are dreaming if they think they can come up with a candidate Vinca May 2018 #233

So why would a challenger "split the left?" ehrnst May 2018 #234

Democrats are in support-the-party mode whether they like the candidate or not. Vinca May 2018 #318

So you think that he won't get the nomination unless he's the only Democrat ehrnst May 2018 #322

No, what I'm saying is if there is a scenario where there is a Democrat other than Bernie, Vinca May 2018 #330

So you think he's not popular enough for Vermonters to vote for him over a Democrat in the primary ehrnst May 2018 #332

I don't know. Vinca May 2018 #337

It's good to examine what you do and don't know. ehrnst May 2018 #419

Why does running as a democrat assume he has to go unopposed? If the democratic party JCanete May 2018 #418

Thank you. This is the key point, and the only response needed. klook May 2018 #270

It looks like he needs outside help to win in Vermont. ehrnst May 2018 #228

So, if Bernie decides to run for President in 2020, should we expect that you'll be InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #239

Find a sale on strawmen? ehrnst May 2018 #240

"Vote Splitter Madness" Civic Justice May 2018 #235

Oh democracy... disillusioned73 May 2018 #242

That makes no sense Proud Liberal Dem May 2018 #248

Good question Gothmog May 2018 #266

Good luck with that. /nt tonedevil May 2018 #284

I don't even get what this accomplishes Proud Liberal Dem May 2018 #294

If Sanders is so popular, then why is he is running in the Democratic primary? Gothmog May 2018 #300

It's a big middle finger to the Democratic Party. That's the only accomplishment stevenleser May 2018 #304

It's a big middle finger to the Democratic Party. sunRISEnow May 2018 #331

As someone who consistently defends Bernie... ThirdEye May 2018 #309

Thank you. It really does confirm that he needs this agita R B Garr May 2018 #329

"The Vermont Democratic Party passed a resolution over the weekend supporting Sanders' move" ieoeja2 May 2018 #342

Yeah, no. nt stevenleser May 2018 #374

Fair enough. ThirdEye May 2018 #414

I'm not gonna say what I'm really thinking right now... Blue_Tires May 2018 #333

it seems very cynical and unecessary Exotica May 2018 #356

It's almost as if Sanders is only out for himself Blue_Tires May 2018 #367

Wouldn't that be party leadership picking the primary candidate - before the primary? ehrnst May 2018 #341

I am thinking this is sounding like Bernie's false accusations toward HRC. sunRISEnow May 2018 #348

I guess that it's OK to do that after all, if other people will benefit. ehrnst May 2018 #358

It boggles the mind. But, I enjoy the delicious irony. sunRISEnow May 2018 #360

Bingo Bammo Me. May 2018 #482

Indeed. (nt) ehrnst May 2018 #483

Interesting thread to promote unity -- a main concern, R B Garr May 2018 #362

Leave it to Sanders. After all, he's the outreach chairman of the Democratic... brush May 2018 #388

Well Joe Manchin already had Vice Chairman of Policy and Communications Committee Hassin Bin Sober May 2018 #407

Right, whataboutism absolves him of all his attacks on the Dems. brush May 2018 #415

This is indeed the crux of the biscuit for me. Exotica May 2018 #441

As long as he doesn't take any financial assistance JustAnotherGen May 2018 #368

Sanders building RF Central...again. nt Skidmore May 2018 #402

I am very disappointed in Bernie and I voted for him in the CT primary. CTyankee May 2018 #439

Many people share your disappointment and deep regrets. Many. NurseJackie May 2018 #488

thank you, honey. I was trying. It is sad now. I hope for a good tomorrow.... CTyankee May 2018 #510

Scorched earth. What else is new? nt Kahuna7 May 2018 #527

I love me some Bernie budkin May 2018 #561

Right there with you bud... Bernie is the complete candidate who has all the right stuff... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #594

Bernie Sanders is still borrowing the Democratic Party Gothmog May 2018 #606

Exactly. Democrats watch. We see this. Now that this has come to light, sunRISEnow May 2018 #609

So would I Gothmog May 2018 #621

I would just like to have only ONE "side" to fight against to prevent fascism. Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #626

you should OP this Exotica May 2018 #631

Great to hear. Whatever it takes to keep Bernie in the Senate is a good thing. jalan48 May 2018 #611

The Thread that wouldn't die. Zoonart May 2018 #629