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Sanders to run as a Democrat -- but not accept nomination (2018 Senate) [View all] Exotica May 2018 OP

Totally Outrageous Me. May 2018 #1

I dont know what to say other than what I want to say but better not. Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #3

It wouldn't be another Democrat, it would be A Democrat sunRISEnow May 2018 #7

WElcome Me. May 2018 #9

Thank you, Me. I think Democrats are done with this game. Republicans, Independents, Libertarians sunRISEnow May 2018 #12

Democrats are done with what? tonedevil May 2018 #18

The senate race, what has been done since Sanders sold his vote to the Democratic Party in 1991 sunRISEnow May 2018 #27

I will say... tonedevil May 2018 #30

I think he has been a mediocre senator. He doesn't hurt us for sure. Doesn't leave an impact. sunRISEnow May 2018 #38

No impact tazkcmo May 2018 #458

No impact. HRC was the voice for HC and first step in 1990's. sunRISEnow May 2018 #459

Have a nice day tazkcmo May 2018 #465

Fact is not hate. You made a false statement. I corrected it. If Bernie was sunRISEnow May 2018 #466

Bernie had an impact on the provision in ACA that funded community health clinics karynnj May 2018 #539

"sold his vote to the Democratic Party"? Voltaire2 May 2018 #37

Democratic Party and Bernie made an agreement. Not put up a viable candidate and Sanders vote Dem. sunRISEnow May 2018 #40

But that is not what you wrote. Voltaire2 May 2018 #42

It is simple. Democrats not put up a candidate and he vote Dem. Sounds like a sale to me. sunRISEnow May 2018 #45

So you have documentation that Sanders threatened to vote with the Voltaire2 May 2018 #52

The reason for the agreement is Bernie ran against a Dem and lost. As did the Dem. sunRISEnow May 2018 #56

Oh so there was no "vote sale". Voltaire2 May 2018 #59

Lets see. Don't run a viable candidate. Will vote Dem. Not cash, but it is a sale. sunRISEnow May 2018 #70

Post hoc ergo prompter hoc. LanternWaste May 2018 #264

Dishonest twist, Voltaire. Sanders can withhold his vote. Hortensis May 2018 #204

So he is one of the most reliable Democratic votes Voltaire2 May 2018 #205

Sanders votes Democrat to keep his job. Hortensis May 2018 #207

So you think he would vote with the Republicans Voltaire2 May 2018 #257

:) Play your games elsewhere. Hortensis May 2018 #263

You'll never get an answer... so, the answer is obvious. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #564

Ok a deal. a quid pro quo. elehhhhna May 2018 #103

Very simple to understand... yet some choose not to. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #46

You mean like ehrnst May 2018 #424

Maybe you should take up whatever beef you have - real or imagined - with the "establishment" InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #425

I'm just awed at the irony of ehrnst May 2018 #426

Okay, if it's just awe, and not a "beef"... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #430

Where to start.... ehrnst May 2018 #433

Thanks Erhnst for taking the time to provide substantive responses to my comments... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #451

Wouldn't this candidate have "out-Bernied Bernie?" ehrnst May 2018 #569

+1 betsuni May 2018 #574

Consider that while he competed (you have to consider, there were fewer candidates than usual), Demsrule86 May 2018 #446

All fair points you make, as usual Dems... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #455

We abso-fuckin-lutely agree ...we have to defeat the scumbag in the white house ...if he is still Demsrule86 May 2018 #468

Yup, yup, we're on the same page... wish everyone here was. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #470

We are on the same page...I always enjoy you posts...and agree with you on most issues. Demsrule86 May 2018 #520

Thank you for saying that Dems, I enjoy reading what you have to say too... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #521

This is a dumb and bad deal Gothmog May 2018 #219

"The party" you refer to has been & still is in complete agreement w/ Bernie - three times, in InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #428

The party is hurting down ballot candidates with this stupid deal Gothmog May 2018 #429

See Goth, now that's a fair argument... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #431

The Vermont Party is making a major mistake in catering to the wishes of a non-democrat Gothmog May 2018 #460

I see where you're coming from Gothmog, but... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #462

"1. Bernie IS a Democrat". No, he is not. How can you say this out loud, sunRISEnow May 2018 #464

Don't twist what I said... why do you do this? Talk about gaslighting!! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #469

He quoted you correctly, repeatedly. And what is the source of your voting claim? ucrdem May 2018 #472

Nope, he didn't... that's a lie. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #474

Of course he did. You posted the claim several times. And where's that link? nt ucrdem May 2018 #486

That is a bit of prevarication... tonedevil May 2018 #490

Bernie is NOT a Democrat, regardless of his intent or purposes. This is truly simple enough. sunRISEnow May 2018 #492

A quotation is correct if the same words are in the same order. ucrdem May 2018 #494

Yes, because you did lie about what I said... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #516

You clearly said it. If it isn't true, self-delete and stop accusing DU members of lying. nt ucrdem May 2018 #522

Nope, here's what I said... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #524

You just said it again. Where's that link by the way? nt ucrdem May 2018 #525

Not so. Obama saying "You didn't build that" is a perfect counterexample. Jim Lane May 2018 #542

You're mixing up accuracy and fairness. The quote in question here is accurate and fair. nt ucrdem May 2018 #556

Yes, tonedevil, it's so obvious whats going on here... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #513

I am kind of... tonedevil May 2018 #530

Bernie does not get ownership of the party while making a concerted effort to be unattached sunRISEnow May 2018 #473

Okay, that's a different argument sunRise... a perfectly legitimate one to make InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #481

I disagree with you and absolutely stand with my original post. sunRISEnow May 2018 #484

You did misquote... tonedevil May 2018 #491

No, Bernie is not a Democrat. Regardless. sunRISEnow May 2018 #493

You still misquoted. /nt tonedevil May 2018 #496

Okay sunRise... as I expected. Copying and pasting the 1st 4 words of a long quote to change it's InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #495

There was no misquotation. You made the claim and now want to pretend you really didn't. nt ucrdem May 2018 #499

"Bernie is a Democrat"... tonedevil May 2018 #500

He is not a Democrat. Period. He says so. sunRISEnow May 2018 #501

That isn't the issue is it? tonedevil May 2018 #503

That is exactly and exclusively the issue. Bernie is not a Democrat. sunRISEnow May 2018 #506

His English is fine, the claim is false, and the quotation is correct. ucrdem May 2018 #502

You don't seem to do math any better... tonedevil May 2018 #504

Hahahahaha, good one tonedevil!!! Can't believe people can argue with the a straight face InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #529

Yes. We all know Bernie is an Independent and not a Democrat. We know the qualifier is used so sunRISEnow May 2018 #532

I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU. good post trueblue2007 May 2018 #560

I honestly... tonedevil May 2018 #533

If Bernie is a really a Democrat, he would not be engaging in this stunt Gothmog May 2018 #511

How do you know... tonedevil May 2018 #534

Precisely... and they've gone along with the deal three times now in each InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #536

I'm not from Vermont... tonedevil May 2018 #543

You would think the VT Democratic Party would be trusted... unless your an Expert Bernie Basher. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #562

No one would do something this stupid unless forced to so Gothmog May 2018 #541

I'm saying I think... tonedevil May 2018 #545

Why would the Vermont Party want to hurt down ballot candidates Gothmog May 2018 #605

What evidence do you have... tonedevil May 2018 #608

This is really rather basic political science-have you heard of coattails? Gothmog May 2018 #610

Just because you think it might doesn't mean it does... tonedevil May 2018 #612

Denial is not just a river in Africa Gothmog May 2018 #615

I didn't say the coattail effect... tonedevil May 2018 #616

It doesn't hurt those down ballot. karynnj May 2018 #540

That's irrelevant if the goal is to bash Bernie at all costs. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #563

Interesting how you see the discussion of the of this deal between Bernie ehrnst May 2018 #570

Interesting how you misapply my comment generally speaking... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #577

*I* know what the decades old deal is they have with Bernie, but ehrnst May 2018 #578

Not true Ehrnst... in fact, I see your point... wish you could see mine. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #579

Yes, it's true bLuE... I think I see your point very clearly. ehrnst May 2018 #580

Thanks. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #581

You can very definitely give up on one of your requests Jim Lane May 2018 #591

That's my pet peeve too... but it's a clear sign of a weak argument for all to see. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #593

"You'd never hear the end of it!!" Actually, you'd never hear the beginning of it. Jim Lane May 2018 #595

No question about it Jim! Oh and don't you dare accuse them of Bernie Bashing, which it is of course InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #596

Started in 1990, when they refused to authorize a candidate to the left of Bernie ehrnst May 2018 #572

Pro war, anti decriminalization. sunRISEnow May 2018 #586

not those Democrats. Voltaire2 May 2018 #34

Don't let the facts get in the way of a good Bernie bashing!! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #112

Don't worry, they never do. (n/t) Jim Lane May 2018 #150

That's for sure. Hortensis May 2018 #209

The Democratic Party can very easily prevent the outcome you're concerned about. Jim Lane May 2018 #210

We have superdelegates to help prevent Trumps Hortensis May 2018 #215

Now I understand your position on superdelegates Jim Lane May 2018 #217

My position IS codified and the refinements contemplated Hortensis May 2018 #223

No, stop pushing that, you know it isn't true. stevenleser May 2018 #408

I truthfully pointed out the inconsistency in Hortensis's position Jim Lane May 2018 #416

Conversely ehrnst May 2018 #423

You are flat-out misstating the facts. Jim Lane May 2018 #442

No, I'm not misstating anything. You are perpetuating smears about the DNC. ehrnst May 2018 #456

You are smearing the Vermont Democratic Party Jim Lane May 2018 #471

Nope. ehrnst May 2018 #479

Classical misdirection. Jim Lane May 2018 #485

What part of "nope" is unclear to you? ehrnst May 2018 #505

I'll tell you what's clear to me. Jim Lane May 2018 #508

And once again, you contradict your own insistence ehrnst May 2018 #509

To wit - ehrnst May 2018 #567

+1 betsuni May 2018 #573

Brava sheshe2 May 2018 #601

I agree with you... completely. You're right on all counts!! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #597

There you go again Jim... citing evidence and making WAY too much sense!! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #598

Now here's what I call a well-fitting shoe... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #632

THIS!! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #599

Hahaha... excellent post Jim!! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #537

Thanks! And I admire your patience in this thread. Jim Lane May 2018 #544

I hear ya Jim. I like to assume the best of people here, as fellow progressives... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #559

+1000 (nt) ehrnst May 2018 #507

It always amazes me when someone who isn't a member of an organization feels that he/she.... George II May 2018 #512

They get to because they "might as well be part of the org with a voice" because they vote like them sunRISEnow May 2018 #514

"for all intents and purposes...." George II May 2018 #518

Right, lol. sunRISEnow May 2018 #519

No kidding. But nonmembers are the ones who Hortensis May 2018 #523

So... ehrnst May 2018 #427

Done Jim Lane May 2018 #437

Got nothing, I see. ehrnst May 2018 #438

Personally I am going to GIVE UP trying to convince people who claim to be liberals or Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #463

I, too, am dismayed by ehrnst's false criticism of the Vermont Democratic Party in #456. Jim Lane May 2018 #476

If it's fact, then it's fact. ehrnst May 2018 #480

:) They won't be. When have they ever won? Hortensis May 2018 #528

While rump sells the WH Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #478

Always easier to put words in your mouth... hell, even when some sposedly quote you here... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #600

The Vermont Democratic Party does not LiberalFighter May 2018 #134

OK... tonedevil May 2018 #146

Please explain "how this plays at the DNC level" Voltaire2 May 2018 #156

What ever IT wants or needs to.. disillusioned73 May 2018 #245

The DNC doesn't prevent anyone from running as an authorized Democratic candidate ehrnst May 2018 #457

Just thought of something. He would've pulled this crap if he'd gotten the Dem... brush May 2018 #69

There is a thought, right? sunRISEnow May 2018 #71

Quite Me. May 2018 #97

He likely would had pulled that crap. LiberalFighter May 2018 #137

I very much doubt he would have done that. BlueTsunami2018 May 2018 #142

Oh so doing it twice in his state with the state Democrats going along would... brush May 2018 #145

Come on, try to see past your bias. BlueTsunami2018 May 2018 #182

Newsflash: He already abandoned the party, but fortunately we will have new... brush May 2018 #191

Blue, seriously, I don't think Sanders is ruled by sense, Hortensis May 2018 #254

If that is so than he shouldn't have needed to safeguard his chances by locking out other legitimate Demsrule86 May 2018 #447

I think so, too. sunRISEnow May 2018 #449

Yes, it sure doesn't seem like a person with confidence in his chances to win would do this. Demsrule86 May 2018 #453

No one was locked out by Sanders or the party karynnj May 2018 #546

You got that right Blue, which splains Bernie's leading popularity among active politicians. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #538

And the BS supporters mentioned in the article lapucelle May 2018 #73

It's A Corruption Of Process Me. May 2018 #88

My state has open primaries- dawg day May 2018 #106

If we had open primaries in my red-leaning-purple county, lapucelle May 2018 #126

That was probably a good idea back then. But considering how it is today. LiberalFighter May 2018 #139

In 2008 McCain won NO Republican primaries. Hortensis May 2018 #269

Yes. Good post. sunRISEnow May 2018 #278

Good catch! NurseJackie May 2018 #141

... Me. May 2018 #143

This is really sad and unethical behavior Gothmog May 2018 #193

Yes It Is Me. May 2018 #258

Why? No D will run against him in his home state. That's how it's done last 2 elections. Sunlei May 2018 #211

So Let's See Me. May 2018 #411

EXCELLENT. EXCELLENT POINT !!! trueblue2007 May 2018 #410

This is disgusting. The DNC is fucked with him screwing around like this. bettyellen May 2018 #2

Yes, the Democratic Party will be SO damaged when Bernie wins re-election to the Senate... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #72

Democrats are tired of Bernie bashing and attacking Democrats. The reaction should be expected. sunRISEnow May 2018 #78

Running as a Democrat is hardly bashing Democrats. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #81

Bashing and attacking Dems though, is bashing and attacking Dems. sunRISEnow May 2018 #86

Right, that's what why so many Democrats are coming around to many of Bernie's progressive ideas. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #90

I disagree here, too. Everything Bernie says, the Democrats have been addressing forever. sunRISEnow May 2018 #92

Exactly, sunRISEnow. sheshe2 May 2018 #602

Rejecting the nomination is literally rejecting the party. We should respond in kind. Fair? bettyellen May 2018 #144

Your beef is with... tonedevil May 2018 #148

No, I know this is Sanders decision and I think it's a fucked up thing to do... bettyellen May 2018 #154

So the Vermont Democratic Party... tonedevil May 2018 #159

Are you saying they prefer he doesn't stay a Dem? bettyellen May 2018 #165

Living in California... tonedevil May 2018 #171

I feel like no one paid much attention how he got there. But now he dumped the Dems in 16 and plans bettyellen May 2018 #176

I don't share your point of view... tonedevil May 2018 #181

I'm fine w him being a liberal Indy in the senate. Not fine with the leadership bettyellen May 2018 #183

We are in agreement... tonedevil May 2018 #202

He is better than nothing I suppose...but I can't say he is exactly great either. Demsrule86 May 2018 #432

Would you prefer Bernie run as an Independent in 2020 if he decides InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #370

I think he should get real and stop this ego driven bullshit. If he is not a Dem, there is no bettyellen May 2018 #406

Okay bettyellen, thank you for your straightforward, honest answer... I do respect that InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #412

It is my opinion that if Sen.Sanders runs in a 20 presidential primary, we will lose the general. Demsrule86 May 2018 #434

I have to wonder if Sen. Sanders is uncertain of his support in Vermont that he chooses to do Demsrule86 May 2018 #436

Even when you plan to turn down the nomination, and are doing it ehrnst May 2018 #345

Look at you. sunRISEnow May 2018 #349

This is what I object to with Sen. Sanders. This is exactly what he accused the DNC of doing. Demsrule86 May 2018 #435

It would be that coronation he and his supporters discussed so often. sunRISEnow May 2018 #443

It is a coronation...not even pretending to have a fair primary. He must be worried about his Demsrule86 May 2018 #454

Speak for yourself. Lots of Democrats like what Bernie is saying. aikoaiko May 2018 #149

And a lot more do not what Bernie is saying. He lost. He does not have the vast majority. sunRISEnow May 2018 #158

True, he doesn't have the vast majority, but he does have the ear of many Democrats like me. aikoaiko May 2018 #160

I understand you have differing views. But to state your opinion yet tell me not to state mine is sunRISEnow May 2018 #163

Well, to be clear, I'm not asking you to not state your opinion -- only to qualify it. aikoaiko May 2018 #167

You're saying most Democrats don't want a $15 minimum wage, liberalnarb May 2018 #220

More like "there isn't a difference between the two parties". sunRISEnow May 2018 #271

Right. That was the message of his campaign. liberalnarb May 2018 #281

Right. He has been saying it for over four decades and was certainly the theme in 2016. sunRISEnow May 2018 #285

Funny, I remember him saying liberalnarb May 2018 #289

What does that minute in time begrudgingly have to do with four decades of rhetoric? sunRISEnow May 2018 #291

Senator Sanders didn't say that there were no differences between the two parties. liberalnarb May 2018 #307

Bernie has said repeatedly, over four decades there was no difference in the parties. sunRISEnow May 2018 #310

Link? liberalnarb May 2018 #311

You do not need a link nor does any one else who is politically inclined. Gas lighting. sunRISEnow May 2018 #316

You just changed the subject of your argument. I did not say Bernie never said he was not a Democrat liberalnarb May 2018 #319

"You just changed the subject of your argument." Gas lighting. sunRISEnow May 2018 #324

"Gaslighting"? As in trying to make you question your own memory? liberalnarb May 2018 #339

Amazing that as soon as you asked for substantiation Voltaire2 May 2018 #379

Are you seriously arguing Bernie has not said both parties are the same? sunRISEnow May 2018 #382

Link? Voltaire2 May 2018 #387

Expected on DU, yes. Expected in the Vermont Democratic primary, no. Jim Lane May 2018 #152

It did in the 2016 presidential primary though. But that's different from Vermont. brush May 2018 #380

It's hard to assess the NET impact in 2016. Jim Lane May 2018 #385

Actually Bernie would not have done better in 2016 if, like Leahy, he had always been a Democrat karynnj May 2018 #531

Nah. He would've done better if he had always been a Dem. brush May 2018 #547

You might consider O'Malley also started with no superdelegates karynnj May 2018 #553

You might also consider that he wasn't a Democrat... brush May 2018 #555

O'Malley was a Democrat karynnj May 2018 #566

You have to be kidding. He continually bashed the party. brush May 2018 #582

No I wasn't karynnj May 2018 #584

Again, he continually attacked the Democratic Party during the... brush May 2018 #585

What do you mean by attacking the "Democratic Party"? karynnj May 2018 #587

Oh, please. He bashed the Democratic Party more than the did the repugs. brush May 2018 #589

That is absolutely not what I saw -- I suggest that no one's view is prefect karynnj May 2018 #590

Again with avoiding the point. brush May 2018 #592

You're damned right it would've caused damage if he had pulled the same thing... brush May 2018 #104

lol, we're not talkin' about 2016... why are you changing the subject? InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #110

Swooosh! If he's pulled it twice before in his state why wouldn't he have tried it... brush May 2018 #115

Because Bernie would make an EXCELLENT President!! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #119

How many bills has he gotten passed? brush May 2018 #122

All the ones Bernie voted for in support of Democrats and Obama signed. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #124

You know exactly what I mean. How many bills has he sponsored and gotten... brush May 2018 #132

Voting the highest percentage of the time with other Democrats IS playing well with other Democrats! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #168

But with no legislative achievements of his own is not getting it done... brush May 2018 #192

Lol. "No legislative accomplishments" Hassin Bin Sober May 2018 #369

Co-sponsored? brush May 2018 #378

The Vermont Democratic party is fine with this, it was done his last Senate Autumn May 2018 #384

Good thing he has the Democratic Party to help him win in his home state. ehrnst May 2018 #229

Yeah, like Bernie couldn't win re-election on his own, he's so unpopular in his home state... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #236

If that's true, ehrnst May 2018 #241

I responded to your comment. Why don't you respond to mine?... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #244

Actually, you're evading my question. ehrnst May 2018 #247

I did answer...because Bernie is NOT eliminating the possibility of a Democratic challenger... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #253

From the OP: ehrnst May 2018 #256

So, if the OP incorrectly states that another Democrat is excluded from running against Bernie InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #268

I see that you still want to derail, instead of answering an uncomfortable question. ehrnst May 2018 #272

LOL Ernst... nice strawman argument... good try! But, you still cant InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #275

I know you are but what am I? The resort of the truly desperate derailer... ehrnst May 2018 #288

Yes Ehrnst... I know the article says that... I've conceded that point InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #298

It doesn't matter... tonedevil May 2018 #302

So why do YOU think he feels he needs ehrnst May 2018 #326

Any answer I give... tonedevil May 2018 #334

I don't know how this jibes with how popular in Vermont people say he is, ehrnst May 2018 #340

The Democratic party of Vermont... tonedevil May 2018 #365

I just think that it's ironic ehrnst May 2018 #422

Any challenger could get signatures and get on the ballot karynnj May 2018 #535

There are already some announced challengers. Jim Lane May 2018 #548

But are there any candidates like this? ehrnst May 2018 #571

If that's the case, why won't Sanders primary as an independent? ehrnst May 2018 #565

The Democratic party AND Sanders want to avoid a three way race where the Democrats have a karynnj May 2018 #568

It appears that the effect is that it blocks any Dem challenger, even those to the left of Bernie ehrnst May 2018 #575

What is an unauthorized candidate - was she on the ballot? karynnj May 2018 #583

So, Democratic leaders not endorsing a candidate for the primary is reliable indicator that ehrnst May 2018 #588

I think you should check the history of politics in Vermont, especially among non-republicans. George II May 2018 #259

I think you should check the history of politics in Vermont, especially among non-republicans. George II May 2018 #260

Sacred cows are indeed, more important than party or platform. LanternWaste May 2018 #265

Oh Lordy Hassin Bin Sober May 2018 #118

This one thread more than any other, defines DU Autumn May 2018 #299

That's an awfully cynical view. There are compelling arguments against it. Jim Lane May 2018 #549

Let me know when you think of them. Autumn May 2018 #576

Well, go to Vermont and try to get people here to vote for his very lame opponent karynnj May 2018 #189

Apparently they're used to this weird game, I think it makes him look selfish and unstable bettyellen May 2018 #197

Yeah well he made sure to have only lame opponents didn't he? One has to wonder about what he Demsrule86 May 2018 #444

I do not think Bernie running is what hurt the Democrats. I think it was the bots/trolls/Russia sunRISEnow May 2018 #450

Possibly, but if he didn't run...we might have the White House as the Russians would not have Demsrule86 May 2018 #452

That is absolutely unprovable karynnj May 2018 #498

It is my opinion and by definition unprovable. I believe a close election is subject to such Demsrule86 May 2018 #515

No one "chooses" his or her own opponents karynnj May 2018 #461

He with a little help from the Vermont Democratic Party made it impossible to field Demsrule86 May 2018 #467

Do you live in Vermont or have a private source of information on that? karynnj May 2018 #497

Read the article. I don't care what his approval rate is. This is wrong. Demsrule86 May 2018 #517

I read the article and I live in Vermont karynnj May 2018 #526

Agreed Gothmog May 2018 #195

HUGELY so. Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #405

Agreed. nt stevenleser May 2018 #409

I'm getting really tired of him thumbing the eyes of the Democratic Party. NightWatcher May 2018 #4

Oh, fer fuck's sake. It never ends. Squinch May 2018 #5

You sure got that right... time for the Bernie bashing to stop! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #75

Yes. It's time for Bernie to stop bashing Democrats. Squinch May 2018 #93

+a brazillion shanny May 2018 #161

That is what he does. leftofcool May 2018 #6

DNC Phone Number Me. May 2018 #8

Feel the Bern. aikoaiko May 2018 #10

Burn Is Right Me. May 2018 #21

... SidDithers May 2018 #82

Its ok with the Vermont Democratic Party. Voltaire2 May 2018 #11

I would ask them, if I lived in Vermont Exotica May 2018 #16

Their not stupid and woukld rather have Bernie than a republican. nt Snotcicles May 2018 #22

congratulations! Voltaire2 May 2018 #31

Precisely!! Glad someone here gets it. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #51

Yep. To me it doesn't matter since.. mvd May 2018 #109

No question... it's obvious what's going on here. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #111

Yahtzee! AtomicKitten May 2018 #199

Lol GusBob May 2018 #133

Bingo! KPN May 2018 #361

Who wouldn't? But it is interesting that this year, he feels the need for this what I consider a Demsrule86 May 2018 #445

Why interesting? It's what he's done in each of his last several House and Senate campaigns. Jim Lane May 2018 #550

And history repeats itself. MrsCoffee May 2018 #13

Asshole! ProudLib72 May 2018 #14

Dick!...heh JCanete May 2018 #417

I seek further guidance on this score. Jim Lane May 2018 #551

... ProudLib72 May 2018 #554

What the fuck is the matter with him? Adrahil May 2018 #15

What's The Matter With Vermont Dems Me. May 2018 #19

Maybe they know something you do not. /nt tonedevil May 2018 #23

That They're Not Actually Dems? Me. May 2018 #24

Now you want a war with... tonedevil May 2018 #25

WE Do Me. May 2018 #26

The Democratic party of Vermont... tonedevil May 2018 #28

I'll Tell You What I Know Me. May 2018 #105

I see this is very hard for you. /nt tonedevil May 2018 #273

You're Right Me. May 2018 #274

That isn't happening, tonedevil May 2018 #276

Sorry You Can't See It Me. May 2018 #292

He'd win as an independent janterry May 2018 #41

Precisely Me. May 2018 #96

Hmmm. Maybe for the same reason he ran as a Dem shanny May 2018 #164

Wait, so Mr. Popularity might not win if he ran as an Independent? seaglass May 2018 #221

what are you talking about? shanny May 2018 #249

You mentioned splitting the left vote. Do you not understand what you wrote? n/t seaglass May 2018 #250

I said that Bernie very deliberately did NOT split the left vote, shanny May 2018 #286

Maybe you don't write very clearly. It appeared you were saying that he ran as a Dem in 2016 seaglass May 2018 #297

He ran as a Dem in the 2016 primary--instead of as an Independent in the general-- shanny May 2018 #394

This is just patently false. He had no name recognition to split the vote, R B Garr May 2018 #395

Exactly. Why is he running for both? Why Cha May 2018 #173

One Would Think Me. May 2018 #186

Excellent questions Cha May 2018 #188

To not split the liberal vote which would allow a Repub to have a chance. Cuthbert Allgood May 2018 #251

So pesky being an Independent. that mean Cha May 2018 #391

Then what's his reason for not running as an Independent? George II May 2018 #261

Heck, I just want candidate that care enough about the party to not fuck with it. NT Adrahil May 2018 #47

If they are called the Vermont Democratic Party, guillaumeb May 2018 #36

apparently they are impure. Voltaire2 May 2018 #39

As "impure" as Bernie. No more or less. sunRISEnow May 2018 #44

And in need of re-education? guillaumeb May 2018 #48

This whole thread is just another Bernie Hate Fest. Voltaire2 May 2018 #57

We agree. eom guillaumeb May 2018 #66

Ding ding ding... we have a winner!!! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #67

Got it in one shanny May 2018 #166

If They're Not Supporting Dems Me. May 2018 #94

If they feel that Sanders is the best candidate for their own state, guillaumeb May 2018 #108

Have They Tried Running A Dem Me. May 2018 #114

So the Vermont Democratic Party is not composed of Vermont Democrats? guillaumeb May 2018 #116

JUst Asked Me. May 2018 #120

I am accepting that the leaders of the Vermont Democratic Party guillaumeb May 2018 #123

See That's Just The Point Me. May 2018 #128

I respect that he has his reasons, guillaumeb May 2018 #131

Fair Enough Me. May 2018 #135

See Now...I Said I Wonder Me. May 2018 #323

Do you feel the same way about Manchin and WVA? brer cat May 2018 #178

The more important question is: guillaumeb May 2018 #381

I checked. Most State Democratic Parties have bylaws that would either prohibit this stevenleser May 2018 #306

Seems to be working... tonedevil May 2018 #308

Nope, it's not working. There is a reason for these bylaws and it is to prevent exactly this stevenleser May 2018 #312

Not working? tonedevil May 2018 #315

Nope, not working. The bylaws are to prevent endorsements of non-Democrats and to stevenleser May 2018 #317

What isn't working? tonedevil May 2018 #321

He won't be returning to the Senate as Democratic Senator Sanders, the Democrats will be... George II May 2018 #397

He will caucus with them... tonedevil May 2018 #399

Bingo. (NT) ehrnst May 2018 #344

Manipulation of lack of law, harming the Democratic Party. sunRISEnow May 2018 #320

The Vermont Democratic Parry... tonedevil May 2018 #325

Maybe there should be a conversation had? I am saying, sunRISEnow May 2018 #328

Go have that conversation... tonedevil May 2018 #336

I work with the local Democratic Party in a very blue state. sunRISEnow May 2018 #343

What do you mean hurting our party? KPN May 2018 #364

Republicans are comfortable with institutionalized Hortensis May 2018 #392

Not working? Where? Vermont? KPN May 2018 #363

Exactly, Vermont. I know this because I read their bylaws, thats how. stevenleser May 2018 #371

No. I guess I was mistaken -- thought you said the rules KPN May 2018 #376

How is it working for the Democratic Party. They haven't had a Democrat in that seat for 12 years. George II May 2018 #396

I think you need to take that up with... tonedevil May 2018 #398

I understand politics in Vermont. If I didn't I wouldn't comment on it. George II May 2018 #400

Then you must know... tonedevil May 2018 #401

I know that they keep making this "deal", I don't know why. That doesn't mean I don't understand it. George II May 2018 #403

That seems kind of key to understanding Vermont politics. /nt tonedevil May 2018 #404

Thanks For The Info Me. May 2018 #327

Seriously tonedevil... they all want Bernie to choose the Democratic Party... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #43

Correct. Well said. eom guillaumeb May 2018 #50

There's just no pleasing some people! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #53

I don't. I would rather an honest candidate than playing coy in 2016 or into the future Presidential sunRISEnow May 2018 #54

lol, Bernie is the most honest straight forward politician since Jimmy Carter... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #60

I do not think he is. I think he says it to the point some buy it, but I do not agree. sunRISEnow May 2018 #74

I respect your opinion sunRise, but more people disagree with you... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #80

I do not know that they do. I think otherwise. The few little polls that show him most popular sunRISEnow May 2018 #83

Certainly, we should all be willing to listen to other's views and open to being persuaded. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #102

Wish I could see his full taxes so I'd believe that. bettyellen May 2018 #198

ah you beat me to it. stevenleser May 2018 #373

this is one of my 2 big issues with him Exotica May 2018 #628

lol, straightforward enough to show his tax returns? Oops, guess not. stevenleser May 2018 #372

He he joins the party and STAYS in the party.... Adrahil May 2018 #55

How is Bernie locking out other candidates?!?! They're free to run against him InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #61

How naive are you? Adrahil May 2018 #89

You're the naive one, not me. How is Bernie locking out any Democrat who is free to run against him? InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #95

You didn't answer my question: WHY does he refuse the nomination? Adrahil May 2018 #101

Yes, to prevent a Republican from winning the Vermont Senate seat with a plurality of the vote. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #107

I never said that... Adrahil May 2018 #138

Shouldn't you take that up with the... tonedevil May 2018 #153

I expect him to actually run as a Democrat. WTF!? NT Adrahil May 2018 #174

He isn't going to run for Senate... tonedevil May 2018 #177

Think. He'd have done this if he'd won our presidential nom. in 2016. brush May 2018 #77

You can't be serious. Nobody is that obtuse. Cuthbert Allgood May 2018 #252

You don't know that. He did it twice in Vermont to run as an independent brush May 2018 #267

Would you say the same if Sanders was a Republican? Hortensis May 2018 #393

Ummm no... the reason is to prevent a Rethuglican from winning the Senate seat by a plurality... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #117

The most popular politician in the world, beloved by Vermonters could lose if he ran seaglass May 2018 #226

Good try... so who's your favorite Democrat to defeat Bernie & is locked out of running against him? InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #237

I don't live in Vermont. I'm surprised by the argument that he is running as a Dem because seaglass May 2018 #238

This is a good counter to argue his popularity. Then why, is he so worried about a split vote. sunRISEnow May 2018 #280

If anyone is worried it would be the Vermont Democratic Party. Autumn May 2018 #305

No, didn't you hear?! Bernie is locking out all Democrats from running InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #375

Remember the intelligent conversations from the past Autumn May 2018 #377

Me too. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #413

It's not like he's done that for every race since he lost the congressional race. ehrnst May 2018 #421

So this will be his fourth switcheroo? ucrdem May 2018 #17

Well, as long as he's not accepting the nomination.......... DFW May 2018 #20

Bernie is a disruptor. Don't hate on him. Just recognize underthematrix May 2018 #29

He hath disrupted... poorly. nt stevenleser May 2018 #187

And, will be returning to the Senate... tonedevil May 2018 #277

So will Ted Cruz probably. And? Nt stevenleser May 2018 #557

Are you suggesting... tonedevil May 2018 #558

WTF? Va Lefty May 2018 #32

I support the Vermont Democratic Party. guillaumeb May 2018 #33

Me too!! Maybe they know WTF they're doin'!! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #65

Brady Bill....PLCAA....Russia sanctions.... N/T lapucelle May 2018 #113

The Vermont party is making a major mistake Gothmog May 2018 #196

THe US does not have a parliamentary type system. eom guillaumeb May 2018 #383

This is why we, as a party, can't have nice things. n/t Tarheel_Dem May 2018 #35

... shanny May 2018 #170

Oh, absolutely. If only Bernie were a Democrat, we would've defeated the Haspel nomination. Jim Lane May 2018 #179

Idea: Keep primaries closed and force the release of tax returns. n/t manor321 May 2018 #49

He's not a member of the party, Vermont Dems. Don't you see that? n/t cynatnite May 2018 #58

71.1% of the vote in 2012. Voltaire2 May 2018 #63

They saw that in 2006 RhodeIslandOne May 2018 #64

This has been going on since he first ran in 2006 RhodeIslandOne May 2018 #62

THIS... oh the outrage!! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #100

He still wanted to primary a popular Obama in 2012 Blue_Tires May 2018 #346

It's up to the Vermont Democratic party how they want to handle this, but..... LisaM May 2018 #68

The Vermont Vermont Democratic party is fine with him running as a Dem and then Autumn May 2018 #91

Question about "he'd better hand over those email lists...." Jim Lane May 2018 #155

That big lengthy list of what? Four people? LisaM May 2018 #157

erm, Hillary rents hers. shanny May 2018 #172

To say "Hillary turned hers over" obscures the fact that she SOLD it. Jim Lane May 2018 #175

List of Democratic candidates LisaM May 2018 #184

I was referring to your comment #68 -- "he'd better hand over those email lists" Jim Lane May 2018 #185

This is why has little accomplishments despite being in political office for decades JI7 May 2018 #76

Who cares? snowybirdie May 2018 #79

Judging by Bernie's voting record siding with Democrats more often than any other Democrat... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #87

labels dont matter, votes do AlexSFCA May 2018 #84

I hope he has a long, productive career... SidDithers May 2018 #85

Too late. Squinch May 2018 #98

Why doesn't he retire already and let some one younger run!! Scurrilous May 2018 #99

Why don't we let the voters of Vermont decide? Now THERE'S a concept!! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #121

Nah, that's democracy and stuff that you're talking about. Uncle Joe May 2018 #125

Yeah, you're right Uncle Joe, we as Democrats shouldn't be supporting democracy... hahaha!! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #127

Cheers and peace to you InAbLuEsTaTe Uncle Joe May 2018 #130

Sounds like the Vermont Democratic party wants to hold on to the Senate seat mountain grammy May 2018 #129

He's done this every time he's run for senate. Why all the hubbub now? BlueTsunami2018 May 2018 #136

The right would rather have a republicon. nt RandiFan1290 May 2018 #147

Because there is a dedicated group who won't let the 2016 primary die. LostOne4Ever May 2018 #201

They're a lot less loud in Democratic politics liberalnarb May 2018 #222

Over 90% of his voters moved smoothly to the nominee Hortensis May 2018 #475

I was going to post that I do not believe he had 45%. He had to get those votes thru open primary sunRISEnow May 2018 #477

Yes. And that he KNEW it and tried to draw them to him, Hortensis May 2018 #487

Right. sunRISEnow May 2018 #489

Besides the fact that he promised not to do this in 2016? nt stevenleser May 2018 #262

Wow grantcart May 2018 #351

Wow, great reminder, steven. This is what happens when someone is not R B Garr May 2018 #355

good catch!!!!! Exotica May 2018 #630

Because he tried to take something that someone else was entitled to. n/t QC May 2018 #279

Sounds like bait and switch. NurseJackie May 2018 #140

He could end up giving us four more years of Trump. Doodley May 2018 #151

By returning to the Senate? /nt tonedevil May 2018 #162

At this point in the thread-fight people are just Voltaire2 May 2018 #206

If only it was just that. Most think he's planning a 2020 presidential run... brush May 2018 #386

Maybe he will... tonedevil May 2018 #389

I like him as a senator and hope he fulfills his full term. brush May 2018 #390

He does it regularly. Nt NCTraveler May 2018 #169

Get w the party/program permanently BS or hit the road. Crutchez_CuiBono May 2018 #180

WTF? DesertRat May 2018 #190

If Sanders refused to be on the ballot, then he should be replaced by Vermont State party Gothmog May 2018 #194

To split the vote and let a Republican win with a plurality short of majority? Jim Lane May 2018 #200

That would only happen if ssnders refuses to run as Democrat Gothmog May 2018 #208

It would only happen if he did that AND the party reacted with spite. Jim Lane May 2018 #212

Sanders would have run as a democrat in the primary Gothmog May 2018 #213

You have the facts wrong. There is no "replace Sanders on the ballot" Jim Lane May 2018 #216

Under current Texas law, Sanders could and would be replaced on the ballot if he pulled this crap Gothmog May 2018 #218

You keep saying "replace" and I strongly doubt that you're correct. Jim Lane May 2018 #290

If he declines the endorsement the person who finishes second is rightfully the Democratic endorsee. George II May 2018 #295

That is not what the Vermont Democratic Party has actually done in the past. Jim Lane May 2018 #313

The Vermont Party is making a major mistake in catering to the wishes of a non-democrat Gothmog May 2018 #604

This is a disgusting stunt that cannot be done under Texas law Gothmog May 2018 #603

Should the Vermont Democratic Party apply Texas law? Jim Lane May 2018 #613

If sanders is such a strong candidate, then why does he have to cheat? Gothmog May 2018 #614

Oh, now it's "cheat"? How absurd. Jim Lane May 2018 #617

Do you tire of being wrong? Gothmog May 2018 #619

And now you're back on your DNC fraud lawsuit obsession. Amazing. Jim Lane May 2018 #623

Thank you for admitting that Sanders is a weak candidate Gothmog May 2018 #624

Virginia RNC is having to select a new candidate Gothmog May 2018 #633

The Vermont Democratic Party... tonedevil May 2018 #634

The Vermont Party is making a major mistake in catering to the wishes of a non-democrat Gothmog May 2018 #635

A replacement candidate in Vermont? /nt tonedevil May 2018 #636

If sanders pulls this disgusting stunt, the Vermont Party needs to replace him on ballot Gothmog May 2018 #637

Needs to? tonedevil May 2018 #639

In the real world, there is something called coat tails Gothmog May 2018 #640

Why do you keep arguing this with ME? Jim Lane May 2018 #638

I was amused to see that Vermont requires tax returns except for bernie Gothmog May 2018 #641

One thing NEVER said here in Vermont is: karynnj May 2018 #552

Texas law at least makes sense Gothmog May 2018 #607

You probably shouldn't... tonedevil May 2018 #618

I like living in a diverse state Gothmog May 2018 #620

I too live in a diverse state... tonedevil May 2018 #622

The Vermont Democratic Party has decided to hurt down ballot candidates Gothmog May 2018 #625

What has to happen to get people to SEE? Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #627

That is a good point. It causes Democrats to not be able to mark Democrat with one vote. sunRISEnow May 2018 #283

Having a full slate is helpful for downballot races Gothmog May 2018 #287

Vermont PBS - Beyond Bernie 1. It's the Person, not the Party Donkees May 2018 #203

If Sanders withdraws as the Democratic candidate, then the party needs to replace him on the ballot Gothmog May 2018 #214

No they don't. liberalnarb May 2018 #224

It was a mistake to do this in the past and it is a mistake to do this now Gothmog May 2018 #230

Why? He's still our candidate. This does no damage. liberalnarb May 2018 #232

If he refuses to be a Democrat on the general election ballot, he is not our candidate Gothmog May 2018 #243

No he doesn't and no they don't. The obsession with such technicalities is silly. liberalnarb May 2018 #246

It is sanders who is running in democratic primary Gothmog May 2018 #255

It's going to happen... tonedevil May 2018 #282

Amen. liberalnarb May 2018 #301

So why does he need Democratic establishment to help to win the primary ehrnst May 2018 #335

Why does the Democratic establishment... tonedevil May 2018 #338

They need do no such thing. liberalnarb May 2018 #293

Being a Democrat and supporting our party to be strong in coming elections is important to much of sunRISEnow May 2018 #296

Apparently not in Vermont where he's been elected twice. liberalnarb May 2018 #303

With the help of the Democrat establishment. ehrnst May 2018 #347

He's running in the Democratic Primary so that he does not serve as a 3rd Party spoiler. liberalnarb May 2018 #350

So you think Vermont won't elect an Bernie as an Independent if he has a Democratic challenger?(nt) ehrnst May 2018 #352

I don't want to take the chance. liberalnarb May 2018 #353

What do you mean by you "not wanting to take the chance?"(nt) ehrnst May 2018 #357

I mean that although I think Sanders would likely easily win re-election in a 3 way race, there liberalnarb May 2018 #359

People who agree with you are perfectly free to vote against Bernie in the primary. Jim Lane May 2018 #314

My view? My "view" is wondering why Bernie feels a need to for the establishment ehrnst May 2018 #354

The primary challenger would not have to be a write-in. Jim Lane May 2018 #366

If a Democratic candidate is blocked from getting party funding ehrnst May 2018 #420

Nothing "blocked" here Jim Lane May 2018 #440

Actually, no. ehrnst May 2018 #448

Great! liberalnarb May 2018 #225

Sanders is beloved in Vermont and Democrats should let this go. Vinca May 2018 #227

I thought he was a shoe-in in his home state, at least. ehrnst May 2018 #231

He probably is. I think Dems are dreaming if they think they can come up with a candidate Vinca May 2018 #233

So why would a challenger "split the left?" ehrnst May 2018 #234

Democrats are in support-the-party mode whether they like the candidate or not. Vinca May 2018 #318

So you think that he won't get the nomination unless he's the only Democrat ehrnst May 2018 #322

No, what I'm saying is if there is a scenario where there is a Democrat other than Bernie, Vinca May 2018 #330

So you think he's not popular enough for Vermonters to vote for him over a Democrat in the primary ehrnst May 2018 #332

I don't know. Vinca May 2018 #337

It's good to examine what you do and don't know. ehrnst May 2018 #419

Why does running as a democrat assume he has to go unopposed? If the democratic party JCanete May 2018 #418

Thank you. This is the key point, and the only response needed. klook May 2018 #270

It looks like he needs outside help to win in Vermont. ehrnst May 2018 #228

So, if Bernie decides to run for President in 2020, should we expect that you'll be InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #239

Find a sale on strawmen? ehrnst May 2018 #240

"Vote Splitter Madness" Civic Justice May 2018 #235

Oh democracy... disillusioned73 May 2018 #242

That makes no sense Proud Liberal Dem May 2018 #248

Good question Gothmog May 2018 #266

Good luck with that. /nt tonedevil May 2018 #284

I don't even get what this accomplishes Proud Liberal Dem May 2018 #294

If Sanders is so popular, then why is he is running in the Democratic primary? Gothmog May 2018 #300

It's a big middle finger to the Democratic Party. That's the only accomplishment stevenleser May 2018 #304

It's a big middle finger to the Democratic Party. sunRISEnow May 2018 #331

As someone who consistently defends Bernie... ThirdEye May 2018 #309

Thank you. It really does confirm that he needs this agita R B Garr May 2018 #329

"The Vermont Democratic Party passed a resolution over the weekend supporting Sanders' move" ieoeja2 May 2018 #342

Yeah, no. nt stevenleser May 2018 #374

Fair enough. ThirdEye May 2018 #414

I'm not gonna say what I'm really thinking right now... Blue_Tires May 2018 #333

it seems very cynical and unecessary Exotica May 2018 #356

It's almost as if Sanders is only out for himself Blue_Tires May 2018 #367

Wouldn't that be party leadership picking the primary candidate - before the primary? ehrnst May 2018 #341

I am thinking this is sounding like Bernie's false accusations toward HRC. sunRISEnow May 2018 #348

I guess that it's OK to do that after all, if other people will benefit. ehrnst May 2018 #358

It boggles the mind. But, I enjoy the delicious irony. sunRISEnow May 2018 #360

Bingo Bammo Me. May 2018 #482

Indeed. (nt) ehrnst May 2018 #483

Interesting thread to promote unity -- a main concern, R B Garr May 2018 #362

Leave it to Sanders. After all, he's the outreach chairman of the Democratic... brush May 2018 #388

Well Joe Manchin already had Vice Chairman of Policy and Communications Committee Hassin Bin Sober May 2018 #407

Right, whataboutism absolves him of all his attacks on the Dems. brush May 2018 #415

This is indeed the crux of the biscuit for me. Exotica May 2018 #441

As long as he doesn't take any financial assistance JustAnotherGen May 2018 #368

Sanders building RF Central...again. nt Skidmore May 2018 #402

I am very disappointed in Bernie and I voted for him in the CT primary. CTyankee May 2018 #439

Many people share your disappointment and deep regrets. Many. NurseJackie May 2018 #488

thank you, honey. I was trying. It is sad now. I hope for a good tomorrow.... CTyankee May 2018 #510

Scorched earth. What else is new? nt Kahuna7 May 2018 #527

I love me some Bernie budkin May 2018 #561

Right there with you bud... Bernie is the complete candidate who has all the right stuff... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #594

Bernie Sanders is still borrowing the Democratic Party Gothmog May 2018 #606

Exactly. Democrats watch. We see this. Now that this has come to light, sunRISEnow May 2018 #609

So would I Gothmog May 2018 #621

I would just like to have only ONE "side" to fight against to prevent fascism. Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #626

you should OP this Exotica May 2018 #631

Great to hear. Whatever it takes to keep Bernie in the Senate is a good thing. jalan48 May 2018 #611

The Thread that wouldn't die. Zoonart May 2018 #629