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George II

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452. Ah, the ol' "moveable goal post" claim. The sub-discussion is that Sanders left a diverse....

Mon Jun 4, 2018, 09:06 AM

Jun 2018

...city with minorities that were in dire need of advocacy to move to the sparsely (and mostly white) populated state of Vermont, where there are very few beleaguered minorities.

Seemingly by comparison you bring up Tammy Baldwin, who was born in Wisconsin, was raised and educated there, and remained there to help the people of her state. BIG difference, in this context there is absolutely no comparison between Sanders and Baldwin.

On the other hand, let's look a little closer at the facts - Sanders was a "civil rights advocate" in the 1960s. So what does he do to build on that? Shortly after he "marched on Washington" in his mid-20s he moved up to a state that is ~96% white and did virtually nothing to advance the cause of civil rights for decades.

Why did he do that?

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So running in a primary under a party banner you plan to leave is straightforward normal and honest? bettyellen Jun 2018 #371

I wondered that as well. ehrnst Jun 2018 #475

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I find it ironic... tonedevil Jun 2018 #478

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I guess you told me, huh? ehrnst Jun 2018 #499

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Well it's progress that you can finally admit that my opinion is not going to harm your Senator. ehrnst Jun 2018 #506

Why would you call him... tonedevil Jun 2018 #510

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No one is "trying to bully you off this board..." ehrnst Jun 2018 #567

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So that makes it OK that the Democratic establishment selects ehrnst Jun 2018 #544

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Are you saying that the Vermont Democratic establishment *didn't* select Bernie? ehrnst Jun 2018 #549

It is pretty clear that you have never even visited Vermont karynnj Jun 2018 #560

You keep saying that one needs to be in Vermont to have any sort of ehrnst Jun 2018 #566

By simply having this arrangement, they show that they selected Bernie as the candidate. ehrnst Jun 2018 #568

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And they believe that making sure that Bernie is the official Democratic candidate ehrnst Jun 2018 #575

Post removed Post removed Jun 2018 #577

What part of the Vermont Democratic party picking Bernie as the ehrnst Jun 2018 #582

For the life of me I don't recall any "attacks" on Vermont. George II Jun 2018 #583

Neither do I. ehrnst Jun 2018 #584

Bernie is campaigning to get Democrats out to vote. Sophia4 Jun 2018 #429

He is using the Democratic party in Vermont to exclude any Dem primary opponents. ehrnst Jun 2018 #461

The stunt that sanders is pulling in Vermont is very sad Gothmog Jun 2018 #491

What other individual running as a Democrat or Independent can draw crowds Sophia4 Jun 2018 #494

If sanders runs in the Democratic primary and wins, then he needs to run in General election Gothmog Jun 2018 #501

Actually he is avoiding any issue... tonedevil Jun 2018 #512

"Crowds" - so it's the Trump defense. bettyellen Jun 2018 #529

Who can compete with Trump when it comes to drawing crowds? Sophia4 Jun 2018 #530

I just looked up crowds and it's interesting. betsuni Jun 2018 #534

Crowds alone can't win, but if a candidate can't draw good crowds, that's a bad sign. Sophia4 Jun 2018 #535

But if they just make sure that they get a venue near a college campus ehrnst Jun 2018 #561

Mitt Romney crowds just before election day lunamagica Jun 2018 #578

Yes. But being able to speak well enough to draw a crowd while it does not Sophia4 Jun 2018 #579

In Anaheim, CA to advocate for a city ballot initiative requiring a higher minimum wage EffieBlack Jun 2018 #381

He is trying to get California Democrats to get out and vote. Sophia4 Jun 2018 #427

He was there to urge Anaheim residents to vote for a municipal ballot initiative affecting only them EffieBlack Jun 2018 #448

Me five!! Kentonio Jun 2018 #225

'We have one system of justice for the wealthy and another system for the poor and people of color.' Donkees Jun 2018 #2

Yes we do. Go Bernie! mountain grammy Jun 2018 #5

Ah. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #3

Riiiight. Did he ever talk to the people who were actually inside waiting for him? And was there... Hekate Jun 2018 #7

Lol sheshe2 Jun 2018 #9

... NurseJackie Jun 2018 #12

I also noticed a lot of the attention of the crowd??? sheshe2 Jun 2018 #13

LOL! Nice try! nt USALiberal Jun 2018 #28

So why are the cameras pointed to the right? sheshe2 Jun 2018 #38

Susan Sarandon or maybe Killer Mike? oasis Jun 2018 #42

Had not thought of them. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #46

Kamala Harris. George II Jun 2018 #67

Yes!!!!! sheshe2 Jun 2018 #76

I'd buy a ticket in the front row for that debate. oasis Jun 2018 #82

Embracing Sanders' Medicare for All, like she did? SMC22307 Jun 2018 #241

You mean Ted Kennedy's and John Dingell's Medicare for All? George II Jun 2018 #248

+1 betsuni Jun 2018 #251

Kennedy is no longer with us and Dingell retired. SMC22307 Jun 2018 #282

The point is that everyone is talking about Medicare for All like it's Sanders'.... George II Jun 2018 #287

Not to mention, iirc, that when LBJ got it through he intended people to love it so much for grandma Hekate Jun 2018 #317

No the point is someone is taking up the torch. someone with the visibility to give it a kick LiberalLovinLug Jun 2018 #324

So, let me get this straight EffieBlack Jun 2018 #331

+1000 (nt) ehrnst Jun 2018 #482

"Embracing Sanders' Medicare for All?" sheshe2 Jun 2018 #393

Well, BS hasn't said anything new in almost 60 years DURHAM D Jun 2018 #70

**snort** sheshe2 Jun 2018 #77

He's been saying the same things for almost 60 years. mountain grammy Jun 2018 #95

"Saying" being the operative word EffieBlack Jun 2018 #104

What he wasn't doing was voting for mountain grammy Jun 2018 #119

No - he was voting for the crime bill and "speaking out" against things while others were doing the EffieBlack Jun 2018 #133

Great! betsuni Jun 2018 #140

. yes, I remember that photo of Sheila Jackson Lee.. mountain grammy Jun 2018 #142

He "spoke out" - so what? He's a US senator. Did he DO anything besides promise EffieBlack Jun 2018 #150

And exactly what did Democrats "do" about the SC vacancy?? mountain grammy Jun 2018 #273

I'm not talking about the other Democrats. I'm talking about Bernie EffieBlack Jun 2018 #284

Well sheshe2 Jun 2018 #394

No, I didn't. mountain grammy Jun 2018 #406

Indeed. Compelling points, EffieBlack. calimary Jun 2018 #144

Stand by Me. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #160

Blaming Bernie for GOP obstruction of Obama's Supreme Court choice is libelous. doxyluv13 Jun 2018 #208

Bernie, who ran for potus as a Dem, went on record SAYING he would ditch Garland if elected. WHY Hekate Jun 2018 #326

If anything that helped Garland, not enough obviously... Tom Rinaldo Jun 2018 #334

Self Deleted. Copy of my reply above this one n/t Tom Rinaldo Jun 2018 #335

Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ehrnst Jun 2018 #216

That's my problem with Bernie supporters MountCleaners Jun 2018 #237

The only time they talk about them is to call them "sellouts." EffieBlack Jun 2018 #269

Exactly BuddhaGirl Jun 2018 #376

Agreed EffieBlack Jun 2018 #379

I am friends with several CBC members Gothmog Jun 2018 #420

Houston congressman arrested with George Clooney Gothmog Jun 2018 #321

Spot on, Effie Hekate Jun 2018 #322

I wont hear a word he says until he shows me his tax returns. Eliot Rosewater Jun 2018 #280

So, what are his results, specifically, in those 60 years? BTW.... George II Jun 2018 #180

Hm sheshe2 Jun 2018 #193

+1. KPN Jun 2018 #200

And he's so DREAMY! EffieBlack Jun 2018 #204

Yeah, no one says that about Bernie, or most politicians. SMC22307 Jun 2018 #247

"swooning over Obama"? betsuni Jun 2018 #254

That's how I felt about it, too, SMC22307 Jun 2018 #259

Nobody "swooned" over Obama. betsuni Jun 2018 #261

That's funny. If I cared enough I'd dig up... SMC22307 Jun 2018 #276

I admit I swooned over Obama in 2008. AtomicKitten Jun 2018 #521

... mcar Jun 2018 #278

Thank you. The BOG appreciates your avoidance. Hekate Jun 2018 #328

... George II Jun 2018 #353

;) sheshe2 Jun 2018 #395

Obama, too?? Here I thought it was just anti-Hillary. nt R B Garr Jun 2018 #343

What's wrong with "swooning" over Obama? George II Jun 2018 #354

What's with the attacks on Obama ? He was President and many were Happy to have him there JI7 Jun 2018 #398

Your damn right KPN, Bernie doesn't triangulate... and I, like millions of others, are InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #211

I've been saying many of the same things for years, too. ehrnst Jun 2018 #217

Great post. He never needed to "evolve," SMC22307 Jun 2018 #244

But evolve they did and good for them mountain grammy Jun 2018 #256

Wow, such venom towards Obama and Clinton. Somehow I'm not buying it's why you say though. bettyellen Jun 2018 #313

There are real life and death consequences when people are marginalized. mountain grammy Jun 2018 #375

It's a shame Sanders took a while to evolve then- since 2006 bettyellen Jun 2018 #382

You do realize that Sanders didn't support same sex marriage as recently as 2006, maybe even.... George II Jun 2018 #399

Your wrong... disillusioned73 Jun 2018 #455

("Your wrong"?) No, I'm NOT wrong, and my "smear game", as you put it.... George II Jun 2018 #459

Ok, so he voted AGAINST something.. disillusioned73 Jun 2018 #471

Tis. KPN Jun 2018 #263

He was not for gay marriage in 06, so Sanders evolved. bettyellen Jun 2018 #380

But that's different EffieBlack Jun 2018 #383

The Russian trolls out a lot of energy into Bernie myths on FB and people still believe them today! bettyellen Jun 2018 #384

Thank you so much for posting facts. This "evolving is bad" insult is stupid. betsuni Jun 2018 #389

Post removed Post removed Jun 2018 #396

Same sex marriage is a states rights issue? Then why did the Supreme Court rule on it? George II Jun 2018 #402

Sanders is ok with individual, fundamental rights being upheld - or not - on a state by state basis? EffieBlack Jun 2018 #403

Yeah for the SCOTUS Gothmog Jun 2018 #423

"States rights"? Isn't that the mantra of the right wing conservatives? George II Jun 2018 #401

Tax returns, etc., this, that , the other. List is long, but folks ignore the long list of issues Eliot Rosewater Jun 2018 #467

To get onto the ballot in a number of blue states, sanders will have to file tax returns Gothmog Jun 2018 #477

FanFUCKINGtastic. Now EVERYBODY will start at first base. Wait, if that isnt Eliot Rosewater Jun 2018 #479

He's evolving on trade, too. betsuni Jun 2018 #446

But he did fantasize about rape NastyRiffraff Jun 2018 #553

And yet, we don't have tuition-less public colleges and universities, universal healthcare Sophia4 Jun 2018 #431

By crowd I assume you mean a few hundred people and DURHAM D Jun 2018 #433

The LA Times reported that the rally was attended by "hundreds"! See my post #57 George II Jun 2018 #58

The LA Times is a sellout, oligarchs, Establishment EffieBlack Jun 2018 #106

"Fake news" perhaps? George II Jun 2018 #108

That, too EffieBlack Jun 2018 #110

I swear to Gawd, George, that is exactly the term I think of R B Garr Jun 2018 #270

Why in the world would anyone feel the need to exaggerate crowd size. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #400

Bazinga! George II Jun 2018 #409

Exaggerating crowd size. Hmm. betsuni Jun 2018 #412

Let me sleep on that. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #414

Exactly! Crowd fakeness sounds familiar.... nt R B Garr Jun 2018 #488

You are using facts against a silly talking point Gothmog Jun 2018 #421

You are asking questions that you already know the answer to. Captain Stern Jun 2018 #234

Yes. Bernie often draws such large crowds that he has to speak to many people Sophia4 Jun 2018 #430

Crickets... chirp! chirp! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #485

See post 502 sheshe2 Jun 2018 #503

Obama for one... sheshe2 Jun 2018 #502

Right. Obama. Who else? Sophia4 Jun 2018 #508

Is this what they call moving the goal posts! sheshe2 Jun 2018 #514

It's a miracle! n/t NastyRiffraff Jun 2018 #551

... EffieBlack Jun 2018 #23

Made Me Laugh Me. Jun 2018 #27

Do you... sheshe2 Jun 2018 #34

... Me. Jun 2018 #132

--- sheshe2 Jun 2018 #138

You're not supposed to notice those things. comradebillyboy Jun 2018 #35

;) sheshe2 Jun 2018 #39

Shaun King: Donkees Jun 2018 #4

Thanks for drawing attention to this... can't be mentioned enough. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #10

And then he moved to Vermont EffieBlack Jun 2018 #24

Moved to Vermont! The horror! BlueWI Jun 2018 #43

Nothing wrong with it EffieBlack Jun 2018 #51

Not only one of the whitest states, but a STATE with about one-quarter of the population of.... George II Jun 2018 #120

Double the horror!! BlueWI Jun 2018 #232

Actually 5.1 times "the horror". lapucelle Jun 2018 #239

Sure - pile on, why not. BlueWI Jun 2018 #246

Tammy Baldwin? Not a comparative example, she was born and grew up in Wisconsin. George II Jun 2018 #250

Sure she was BlueWI Jun 2018 #294

Ah, the ol' "moveable goal post" claim. The sub-discussion is that Sanders left a diverse.... George II Jun 2018 #452

+1 betsuni Jun 2018 #454

Did that poster just accuse you of "concern trolling?" Eliot Rosewater Jun 2018 #474

Yes indeed. George II Jun 2018 #480

I just heard the open primary in CA might result in GOP winning, open primary Eliot Rosewater Jun 2018 #489

You're calling Lapucelle a "troll"? Really? George II Jun 2018 #253

Nothing says "unity" like calling someone names. lapucelle Jun 2018 #279

I agree that I'm contributing to the pot-stirring that I didn't start, BlueWI Jun 2018 #289

If someone resorts to personal insults.. Cha Jun 2018 #364

I responded to the arguments in a post BlueWI Jun 2018 #281

Wasn't there an OP here just the other day... sheshe2 Jun 2018 #413

Bernie's divisive EffieBlack Jun 2018 #419

Yep. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #425

How can someone who supports the D party be a russian bot? Eliot Rosewater Jun 2018 #476

It's the hypocrisy. Tammy Baldwin doesn't put herself R B Garr Jun 2018 #258

I see your point BlueWI Jun 2018 #292

Bernie lived in New York which is known for diversity. R B Garr Jun 2018 #305

So the answer is to litigate where Bernie lives and why he moved? BlueWI Jun 2018 #307

Because Bernie is still out there criticizing Democrats in R B Garr Jun 2018 #311

The Clintons have a long record of fighting for civil rights and strong relationships with the black EffieBlack Jun 2018 #318

Here we go round the mulberry bush. BlueWI Jun 2018 #350

Harlem was BC's second choice. AtomicKitten Jun 2018 #523

So what? He still picked Harlem, instead of anyplace else in the state he could have gone EffieBlack Jun 2018 #524

As they say, actions speak louder than words. lapucelle Jun 2018 #266

Congratulations on being a doer. BlueWI Jun 2018 #300

Thank you for your spot on observations and KPN Jun 2018 #272

Thanks! BlueWI Jun 2018 #295

All you have is a personal attack.. "..your concern trolling.." Cha Jun 2018 #366

Bashing Democratic leaders is "helping to unify." ehrnst Jun 2018 #372

I believe that all 100 senators are accountable BlueWI Jun 2018 #387

Interesting that Bernie is so often held up as different and apart from other Senators because he's EffieBlack Jun 2018 #397

Damn good question. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #407

Things like this give me brainaches. betsuni Jun 2018 #411

Yep. (nt) ehrnst Jun 2018 #444

Who else is not being taken into account? When everyone but Sanders is accused of ehrnst Jun 2018 #442

You totally missed the point. Twice. Have a great day. George II Jun 2018 #249

So running in Vermont canceled all his work he did, and any cred he may have garnered before that? LiberalLovinLug Jun 2018 #123

Who said it cancelled anything out? EffieBlack Jun 2018 #146

There's no denying that! NurseJackie Jun 2018 #308

I don't see how anyone is 'miliking' the time of his participation of his youth LiberalLovinLug Jun 2018 #330

What in my post evidenced "hate" toward Sanders? EffieBlack Jun 2018 #333

I don't think you are so hateful LiberalLovinLug Jun 2018 #337

If you don't think you are a "fan," then I probably wasn't talking about you. EffieBlack Jun 2018 #338

Fair enough Effie LiberalLovinLug Jun 2018 #341

Yep! EffieBlack Jun 2018 #345

excuse me, Bernie did not "walk away" from all that. garybeck Jun 2018 #126

Really? How can has he "engage(d) in civil rights struggle" since the late 1960s? I've seen here.. George II Jun 2018 #139

Check his voting record. I guess that doesn't count? garybeck Jun 2018 #426

Voting isn't "engagement" - it's the most basic thing a Senator does EffieBlack Jun 2018 #456

He does a lot more than vote, as I said. garybeck Jun 2018 #473

He votes and he gives speeches. EffieBlack Jun 2018 #484

you still haven't answered my question garybeck Jun 2018 #515

Since when do facts matter to Bernie Bashers?!?! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #196

Moving to Vermont may not have prevented BS from doing anything, but lapucelle Jun 2018 #231

Have I heard this take before? BlueWI Jun 2018 #240

But that's where his inheritance bought him land. He would have Ninsianna Jun 2018 #265

Not going to do much to help the poor oppressed masses and the plight of minorities... George II Jun 2018 #63

Jon Stewart's dig at Howard Dean works with Bernie, too EffieBlack Jun 2018 #183

HAH! Near-unanimous, all 8,000 of them. There were more Blacks at the NY Mets game today! George II Jun 2018 #184

from a congressional seat? Really? From a senatorial seat? Those don't have reach JCanete Jun 2018 #201

Exactly EffieBlack Jun 2018 #286

And sheshe2 Jun 2018 #47

Might want to read up on the back-to-the-land movement of the '60s and '70s. SMC22307 Jun 2018 #64

Back to the land after one protest? sheshe2 Jun 2018 #81

What does that even mean? SMC22307 Jun 2018 #157

No one said anyone's not "allowed" to do anything and no one accused anyone of racism EffieBlack Jun 2018 #159

Horseshit. Vermont and its 95% (or is it 99%?) is nothing but... SMC22307 Jun 2018 #164

Trust me. When I accuse people of racism, I come out and say it. EffieBlack Jun 2018 #166

Yes, my mindset is that "Vermont is X% white"... SMC22307 Jun 2018 #173

It's simple EffieBlack Jun 2018 #178

Along with tax returns or the lack thereof and voting AGAINST russian sanctions I want to Eliot Rosewater Jun 2018 #554

In 1970 (two years after he fled to Vermont) NYS was... George II Jun 2018 #186

You're wrong, AGAIN. You are comparing NYC... SMC22307 Jun 2018 #257

No, he was a resident of NYC before he moved to Vermont. Anyone with an understanding.... George II Jun 2018 #260

Doesn't matter. He moved from a state that was nearly 87% white... SMC22307 Jun 2018 #275

In 1970 there were 22,000 minority residents in Vermont, in NYC* there were 1,850,000. George II Jun 2018 #548

Wow, never thought of that before. Fits perfectly into what i KNOW though. Eliot Rosewater Jun 2018 #552

LOL, you have no idea what Brooklyn was like back in the day, do you? bettyellen Jun 2018 #316

In all fairness, sheshe, the urge to find a simpler purer life was fairly widespread... Hekate Jun 2018 #344

I don't fault him for moving to Vermont EffieBlack Jun 2018 #346

Yes indeed it does make us roll our eyes Hekate Jun 2018 #361

And how did that "movement" work out? From what I can find, it died in the 1970s. George II Jun 2018 #92

Read the Rolling Stone link I posted, it's quite interesting. SMC22307 Jun 2018 #161

I did read it, unless I missed it there's nothing noted since the 1970s. BTW... George II Jun 2018 #181

Yes, because his Democratic predecessor was a terrible person, even if his policies were better karynnj Jun 2018 #221

So does Maryland and Massachusetts. Ugh. For various reasons though it happens n/t Tom Rinaldo Jun 2018 #224

Transforming the political landscape is significant... SMC22307 Jun 2018 #238

No it didn't karynnj Jun 2018 #220

This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Jun 2018 #156

Yes, and Vermont has about one-quarter of the population of his hometown (and mine) of... George II Jun 2018 #112

So? SMC22307 Jun 2018 #48

Not mad at Bernie at all EffieBlack Jun 2018 #52

Macedonian trolls, perhaps. You getting duped by them? SMC22307 Jun 2018 #111

Does he really get held up as a civil rights KPN Jun 2018 #288

Yes, he does. Frequently. Read the board. EffieBlack Jun 2018 #293

I've followed the Bernie Sanders discussion KPN Jun 2018 #297

... NurseJackie Jun 2018 #360

Can you scoot over a little bit? EffieBlack Jun 2018 #362

"He's been defended, not iconized." NurseJackie Jun 2018 #363

That's US!!! EffieBlack Jun 2018 #368

Bwahahahhaha sheshe2 Jun 2018 #410

I am, I am mad as hell. but I cant say why Eliot Rosewater Jun 2018 #555

It's curious sheshe2 Jun 2018 #59

He's had his share of votes AGAINST gun control legislation that might have stemmed the slaughter... George II Jun 2018 #118

Yes. He had a chance on gun control. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #137

I can't stop watching that gif. betsuni Jun 2018 #141

AWESOME gif! EffieBlack Jun 2018 #151

Stealing that LOL Eliot Rosewater Jun 2018 #556

LOL, and in 1970, New York state was almost 87% white. SMC22307 Jun 2018 #153

You mean "angry" as opposed to "mad", don't you? George II Jun 2018 #114

I'm not speaking British English. SMC22307 Jun 2018 #154

If that's the case, British OR American, saying one is "mad" is saying she's "mentally disturbed". George II Jun 2018 #158

You're wrong. There is a difference between British AND American... SMC22307 Jun 2018 #162

FYI sheshe2 Jun 2018 #163

And? (n/t) SMC22307 Jun 2018 #165

Your British dig. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #169

"We see you"? LOLOLOL! Didn't Glenn Beck use that line... SMC22307 Jun 2018 #175

You swung at George and missed. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #179

Discussions of Beck were all over DU. SMC22307 Jun 2018 #235

ZZZZZZZing Eliot Rosewater Jun 2018 #557

It's desperation.. disillusioned73 Jun 2018 #457

His choice of where to live 50 years ago is now a KPN Jun 2018 #277

If a 55-year-old protest is relevant, his other choices during that time and since are also relevant EffieBlack Jun 2018 #285

Yes! mountain grammy Jun 2018 #98

Why hasn't King formed that third party he was screaming about?? Blue_Tires Jun 2018 #492

Candidate Obama did this when he came to my town. Qutzupalotl Jun 2018 #6

Bernie has always been about classy... it's what makes him so damn appealing. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #16

I find absolutely nothing appealing or classy about calling Democrats "ideologically bankrupt"... NurseJackie Jun 2018 #45

;) sheshe2 Jun 2018 #49

Thank you. EffieBlack Jun 2018 #56

Apparently so. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #89

Being consistent matters to me. You can't pretend one side is taking money and the other isn't, or JCanete Jun 2018 #205

Thanks, and arent there a dozen or more similar attacks of the D party? Eliot Rosewater Jun 2018 #558

Your comment, in light of posts #3, 7, 9, 12, 13, 23, 27... DRoseDARs Jun 2018 #72

Alas, I can't see posts #3,7,9,12,13,23,27... shanny Jun 2018 #78

Every 1 in a while I have to take a break from seeing certain posters, but always eventually unblock DRoseDARs Jun 2018 #83

My ignore list is short, but apparently well-targeted. shanny Jun 2018 #85

Oh I certainly understand. Sometimes individuals can be infuriating and it's best to block. DRoseDARs Jun 2018 #90

Maybe it's because my actual family is so crazy shanny Jun 2018 #115

:) sheshe2 Jun 2018 #195

...... mountain grammy Jun 2018 #103

LOL me either. nt Snotcicles Jun 2018 #155

Neither Obama nor Clinton (are you refighting the primary perhaps?) would be "campaigning".... George II Jun 2018 #99

Refighting the primary? That's pure projection and you are naked. DRoseDARs Jun 2018 #109

In a discussion about Sanders in 2018 you bring up Hillary Clinton. Me, projection? So.... George II Jun 2018 #148

"BTW, I'm fully clothed." sheshe2 Jun 2018 #597

Obama campaigned for others in 2004 because he faced an easy general election karynnj Jun 2018 #223

Seriously? sheshe2 Jun 2018 #168

Of course you want to make this about barricades Qutzupalotl Jun 2018 #369

''We don't have liberty and justice for all ... '' Donkees Jun 2018 #8

Bernie tellin' it like it is... another brillant appearance, showing why he is the most popular InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #11

Ha! NurseJackie Jun 2018 #14

. stonecutter357 Jun 2018 #202

Right on, Bernie.. mountain grammy Jun 2018 #107

''We have tens of thousands of people in jail that cannot afford cash bail. '' Donkees Jun 2018 #15

!!!! SammyWinstonJack Jun 2018 #19

So true! Sophia4 Jun 2018 #432

I didn't know that. Thanks, Bernie! EffieBlack Jun 2018 #468

Post removed Post removed Jun 2018 #20

Lol. MrsCoffee Jun 2018 #29

Definitely a man of the people. jalan48 Jun 2018 #21

You can say that again!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #197

Yes! SammyWinstonJack Jun 2018 #386

.@SenSanders ends his speech with "no more jails, no more incarceration. Let's educate our children" Donkees Jun 2018 #22

Great. Now what? EffieBlack Jun 2018 #26

The promotion of OR candidates BannonsLiver Jun 2018 #30

Meh EffieBlack Jun 2018 #44

Another rally. nt sheshe2 Jun 2018 #66

That looks like it's indoors, what about your OP? Why don't you respond to questions.... George II Jun 2018 #128

George Soros has been donating money to DA's focused on these issues Tavarious Jackson Jun 2018 #25

That is an indisputable fact you raise. Lucky Luciano Jun 2018 #31

Yes it is. Tavarious Jackson Jun 2018 #33

I am sorry, but that seems like a very cynical remark rurallib Jun 2018 #32

How was he deeply involved in civil rights in the 60's? Tavarious Jackson Jun 2018 #36

So how many have you been to? rurallib Jun 2018 #40

This OP bears repeating EffieBlack Jun 2018 #55

No, it doesn't. Not really. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2018 #62

Thanks for the kick EffieBlack Jun 2018 #65

Happy to kick this thread (I don't think you know how this works) Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2018 #69

I know exactly how this works. You kick the thread, you kick my post and more people read it EffieBlack Jun 2018 #73

Yes it really does. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #125

Why not? Maybe in your opinion it doesn't, but certainly in the opinion of many here... George II Jun 2018 #130

Yes, it absolutely does. Cha Jun 2018 #424

+10000000 betsuni Jun 2018 #105

I agree with you, it does Tom Rinaldo Jun 2018 #227

I agree with everything you said EffieBlack Jun 2018 #267

Fair enough Tom Rinaldo Jun 2018 #309

Well said, as always! mcar Jun 2018 #283

Good job of trivializing Bernie's activities KPN Jun 2018 #296

You must not have read my post. EffieBlack Jun 2018 #302

I did read it. The entire thing. KPN Jun 2018 #303

Then we'll have to go with the second option. eom EffieBlack Jun 2018 #304

I'm sure. KPN Jun 2018 #327

I am still waiting to see what Sanders has actually accomplished. Gothmog Jun 2018 #357

See it how you will. I'll take Sanders' honest critique of our economic-political system KPN Jun 2018 #388

Because no one knew about any of this before Bernie started talking about it ... EffieBlack Jun 2018 #390

Making speeches do not accomplish anything in the real world Gothmog Jun 2018 #404

So sanders has no accomplishments in the real world? Gothmog Jun 2018 #392

That's great. It was the 1960s, and not that many white males were interested Sophia4 Jun 2018 #434

So is Sanders still appearing on Russia-propaganda station RT? pnwmom Jun 2018 #54

You should probably read your own links... Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2018 #61

The links don't say where Thom Hartmann is broadcasting from now. Or whether pnwmom Jun 2018 #91

I watch him on Free Speech TV. Nanjeanne Jun 2018 #230

He only learned about people being jailed for not affording tickets when he went to some sort of bettyellen Jun 2018 #320

In other words Soros is DOING something about those issues instead of just talking about them? George II Jun 2018 #88

The Harris County DA is one of the DA's who was supported by Soros Gothmog Jun 2018 #356

Another Sanders thread? guillaumeb Jun 2018 #41

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He's been doing the right thing for 50+ years. No need to "evolve" like some politicians. jalan48 Jun 2018 #80

Yes indeed... you'll never see Bernie with his finger in the air... InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #102

+1 jalan48 Jun 2018 #113

+1 shanny Jun 2018 #116

During the last year of Obama's presidency mountain grammy Jun 2018 #127

I heard him call for our beloved president to be primaried. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #149

He also criticized the nomination because he said he was too conservative and promised EffieBlack Jun 2018 #152

Bernie has always set an example for what it means to be a real advocate for change... InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #182

"Advocating" for change is great - but he's a U.S. Senator with the power to DO things EffieBlack Jun 2018 #185

Gee, I don't know... InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #189

Wow. That's quite a stretch EffieBlack Jun 2018 #203

You wanna talk about stretching?! LOL InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #209

Truth.. mountain grammy Jun 2018 #252

Love what you said here grammy... you put it into words better than anyone could have InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #290

Thank you. mountain grammy Jun 2018 #373

You got that right grammy! And cuz of your appreciation for, and defense of Bernie... InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #374

Haha.. that's great! mountain grammy Jun 2018 #377

This message was self-deleted by its author InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #291

+1 BlueWI Jun 2018 #391

Oh, good Lord EffieBlack Jun 2018 #405

You say it's 'great' that he advocates for change Kentonio Jun 2018 #229

Enthusiasm is a great thing mountain grammy Jun 2018 #188

Don't say that to Bernie bashers, they might get upset and tell you, but Bernie is not a Democrat! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #190

It wins elections mountain grammy Jun 2018 #191

History shows that's what it takes to drive folks to the polls... not just buses. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #192

UMHMMM sheshe2 Jun 2018 #199

Please name one Democratic politician who can draw the crowds that Bernie draws. Sophia4 Jun 2018 #435

"Drawing crowds?" EffieBlack Jun 2018 #458

Rare indeed... why he has such a loyal following and his progressive ideals have taken hold. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #84

"HIS" progressive ideas have taken hold? EffieBlack Jun 2018 #100

I know! NurseJackie Jun 2018 #349

Bernie/Booker for 2020! rgbecker Jun 2018 #53

Do you have anything other than that tweet? In fact, the LA Times has an article on the rally.... George II Jun 2018 #57

The author of the tweet sheshe2 Jun 2018 #74

Yes - here's his LinkedIn profile: George II Jun 2018 #79

It figures. NurseJackie Jun 2018 #86

The key to filling up a theater for a rally - rent a tiny theater! George II Jun 2018 #93

Ha! NurseJackie Jun 2018 #97

The theater in Los Angeles -- probably cost a king's ransom. Sophia4 Jun 2018 #437

Bernie held several rallies in Southern California. Sophia4 Jun 2018 #436

Very nice! Owl Jun 2018 #60

He's never ever going to be president ismnotwasm Jun 2018 #68

Let's see how he responds when another Democrat tries to talk about it EffieBlack Jun 2018 #75

That's exactly right. You're not the only one who sees the inconsistency. NurseJackie Jun 2018 #87

That's an excellent idea ismnotwasm Jun 2018 #94

"He's never going to be president." BannonsLiver Jun 2018 #129

And getting Democratic voters to the polls this coming Tuesday (primaries in California). Sophia4 Jun 2018 #438

Our Revolution is not doing well in California Gothmog Jun 2018 #599

Nevertheless, Bernie got Democrats, especially young Democrats, out to vote. Sophia4 Jun 2018 #600

Do you have any proof this claim?? Gothmog Jun 2018 #601

Why do I need any? His appearances made the news. The news reports remind Sophia4 Jun 2018 #602

Sanders had little or no effect in the real world Gothmog Jun 2018 #603

Analysis: How did Bernie Sanders Democrats do in the primaries? Gothmog Jun 2018 #606

Wow! eom LittleGirl Jun 2018 #71

Did he finally release his tax returns? NanceGreggs Jun 2018 #96

is he the candidate? shanny Jun 2018 #117

He hoped to be the candidate ... NanceGreggs Jun 2018 #121

Tells me that somebody is moving the goalposts shanny Jun 2018 #122

It's not just the lack of disclosure ... NanceGreggs Jun 2018 #134

There are special rules for special candidates grantcart Jun 2018 #212

+1 mountain grammy Jun 2018 #136

No, that's not what it tells you. It tells you about hypocrisy. R B Garr Jun 2018 #268

He has been a candidate for Congress, Senate or president for the past 30+ years stevenleser Jun 2018 #352

I hope NOT. Cha Jun 2018 #367

A bigger crowd than the LA Times' "hundreds". He and Jane PROMISED them by the end of April..... George II Jun 2018 #143

Like Hillary's emails, no one gives a shit about the tax returns. (n/t) SMC22307 Jun 2018 #167

No one gave a shit about her emails because they read them AFTER SHE RELEASED THEM and saw there was EffieBlack Jun 2018 #170

Apparently ... NanceGreggs Jun 2018 #171

Thank you for bringing more Pro-Bernie news Donkees to DU! nt LostOne4Ever Jun 2018 #124

We need "Pro-" anyone "news"? What's the definition of "Pro-xxxxx news"? News??? George II Jun 2018 #135

Yeah, that is the purpose of this site to promote liberals and Liberalism! LostOne4Ever Jun 2018 #176

You know it! Bernie embodies the progressive spirit that drew me to DU many years ago. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #194

Yep sheshe2 Jun 2018 #206

Loves me some Bernie! FirstLight Jun 2018 #131

Yes, he was good.. same great message. mountain grammy Jun 2018 #262

Other Democrats should join him and say what they really think. Sophia4 Jun 2018 #439

Me too! nt Raine Jun 2018 #441

Looks like the Black turnout in that crowd was small nini Jun 2018 #145

I know, right? You're not the only one who noticed. NurseJackie Jun 2018 #339

Considering the Black vote stands to save this country he's got a huge problem nini Jun 2018 #342

Kind of like the Black voter turnout in 2016. progressoid Jun 2018 #358

I'm not sure why so many on DU talk about Bernie so much. He ditched the Democratic Party the catbyte Jun 2018 #147

.... sheshe2 Jun 2018 #172

NEWS FLASH! That photograph posted by Mr. Rabin-Havt appears to be FAKE!!! Sanders appeared... George II Jun 2018 #174

Lol. He spoke at the church and then at The Million Dollar Theater in LA. Back to the drawing board. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2018 #207

The tweet was posted shortly after 5:00 PM local time, the Million Dollar Theater rally... George II Jun 2018 #464

What?! A fake photo??!! NurseJackie Jun 2018 #315

The only distortion of reality is claiming the church rally is the theater rally. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2018 #378

Sanders was also at the Million Dollar theater in L.A. at 5 PM according to what I found online nini Jun 2018 #355

That trick he did with the loaves and fishes was awesome! VOX Jun 2018 #177

Heh. betsuni Jun 2018 #187

Took the words out of my mouth! n/t pnwmom Jun 2018 #213

Nailed it! NurseJackie Jun 2018 #312

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Wow. That's an LA crowd? ... you sure it wasn't a bunch of Vermonters? fleabiscuit Jun 2018 #198

I imagine many people have also noticed the same thing... NurseJackie Jun 2018 #314

Indeed, Jackie EffieBlack Jun 2018 #319

There are reasons Bernie Sanders has a lot of supporters around the country. democrank Jun 2018 #214

Russian Trolls like to create conflict in the Democratic Party by attacking Bernie LostOne4Ever Jun 2018 #215

:ROFL: NurseJackie Jun 2018 #347

So posting facts is attacking Bernie? sheshe2 Jun 2018 #532

I'm over in Vermont about every day and can even get the lone Trumphumper I know to admit Vinca Jun 2018 #226

Here we go again... tavernier Jun 2018 #218

California has an important primary election in two days. ucrdem Jun 2018 #222

Some of his Ideas are Good for a Democracy where Social Justic Supports Social Democracy ... Civic Justice Jun 2018 #228

Part 2 Civic Justice Jun 2018 #233

Seems to me that we do make changes in leaps and jumps aikoaiko Jun 2018 #242

That's a good thing for people to converse and learn. Civic Justice Jun 2018 #243

I'm not waiting another 100 years shanny Jun 2018 #416

We won't have to, Obama's ACA was step one, Civic Justice Jun 2018 #447

That's more than a little misleading. Captain Stern Jun 2018 #236

Wow! I read upthread that this was circumstantial and R B Garr Jun 2018 #264

Bringing up Bernie sure seems to cause a lot of discord here - does that mean Bernie is "divisive" EffieBlack Jun 2018 #274

Wow! KPN Jun 2018 #299

Well, Bernie himself isn't being divisive here. Captain Stern Jun 2018 #306

Nicely done! Well played, you! NurseJackie Jun 2018 #348

;) sheshe2 Jun 2018 #526

There is not always a one-to-one correspondence when seats are filled still_one Jun 2018 #255

I am done with Bernie katmondoo Jun 2018 #271

again? KPN Jun 2018 #298

Apparently a lot of folks agree with Disney. KPN Jun 2018 #301

This is the Justice Reform Rally at the Million Dollar Theater. There were several events that day Donkees Jun 2018 #329

Yes there were. Thanks for posting. KPN Jun 2018 #351

That doesn't look anything like the Million Dollar Theater: George II Jun 2018 #516

Has sanders accomplished anything yet? Gothmog Jun 2018 #323

So, if I wanted to find a list of his major legislative accomplishments, where would I look? NurseJackie Jun 2018 #336

Well, there are a lot of post offices still unnamed. George II Jun 2018 #408

You bad. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #417

I want a Juanita Jean post office in my congressional district Gothmog Jun 2018 #422

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #325

not a real strong heaven05 Jun 2018 #332

I am sure many here would have been much happier shanny Jun 2018 #418

I am sure heaven05 Jun 2018 #445

minor leaders of a very minor faction shanny Jun 2018 #451

strictly your opinion heaven05 Jun 2018 #545

Then Clinton could have taken the kid gloves off Gothmog Jun 2018 #576

asserting something that didn't happen is worthless shanny Jun 2018 #596

Sanders was a very weak general election candidate who would be destroyed Gothmog Jun 2018 #605

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Apparently you do. SammyWinstonJack Jun 2018 #443

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I place a great deal of blame on Sanders Gothmog Jun 2018 #490

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BERNIE SANDERS VOTERS HELPED TRUMP WIN AND HERE'S PROOF Gothmog Jun 2018 #509

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GOP voter suppression, Russia, Stein, Sanders, Comey and others bear a great deal of the blame Gothmog Jun 2018 #520

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LOL-Hillary is not going to run again Gothmog Jun 2018 #531

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Who cares? Gothmog Jun 2018 #536

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I answered your question Gothmog Jun 2018 #538

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You asked about Bernie, not Hillary. betsuni Jun 2018 #541

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It is a good book Gothmog Jun 2018 #564

Clinton is not going to run again and so the attempt by sanders supporter to deflect amuse me Gothmog Jun 2018 #546

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And yet sanders voters played a large role in the election of trump Gothmog Jun 2018 #573

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LOL-I am amused that you are unable to deal with facts and reality Gothmog Jun 2018 #589

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Hsve fun with the idiots on jPR Gothmog Jun 2018 #592

It cant be clearer who contributed to her loss. Yet, many so called progressives wont hear it. Eliot Rosewater Jun 2018 #559

Russia fed lies and fake news to sanders supporters Gothmog Jun 2018 #563

I mentioned somewhere that I frequent a youtube chat for a progressive talker Eliot Rosewater Jun 2018 #565

Russia is very skilled at feeding fake news to US voters Gothmog Jun 2018 #570

raises hand. Of course he did. Lil Missy Jun 2018 #528

This message was self-deleted by its author chwaliszewski Jun 2018 #540

Read the materials posted Gothmog Jun 2018 #604

I love Bernie, always have and Raine Jun 2018 #440

K&R.. disillusioned73 Jun 2018 #453

Well worth his time. About twenty percent of them will vote for him in the primary. NCTraveler Jun 2018 #466

"because he does what he does, because he cares" disillusioned73 Jun 2018 #486

Oh, Sanders' "arrest story". Wow! He was held in a gymnasium with dozens of others.... George II Jun 2018 #511

And they wonder why people roll their eyes at him EffieBlack Jun 2018 #518

Just for you: George II Jun 2018 #519

I love you! EffieBlack Jun 2018 #522

Why didn't he just book a bigger venue then? Blue_Tires Jun 2018 #493

..and then he handed out loaves and fishes to the crowd NastyRiffraff Jun 2018 #500

I am Jewish and we are still waiting for the first coming Gothmog Jun 2018 #569

:) NastyRiffraff Jun 2018 #588

You cannot have a second coming until you have the first Gothmog Jun 2018 #590

This is awesome Raysawesome34 Jun 2018 #593

Welcome to DU :) Donkees Jun 2018 #594

Thanks! Raysawesome34 Jun 2018 #595

Our Revolution is flopping Gothmog Jun 2018 #598