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In reply to the discussion: Yes, the Democratic Party is at nearly its weakest point in a century [View all]Garrett78
(10,721 posts)11. Democrats have been fighting a policy war, while Republicans have been fighting a procedural war.
Few articles that I've read are more important than this one: https://www.vox.com/2018/5/1/17258866/democratic-party-republicans-trump-election.
David Faris
Right. People just dont seem to make the connection between policies and the party in power.
So, for example, the Democrats passed Obamacare and gave millions of people heath care, and yet tons of people who benefited from it have no idea what it is or how they benefited. And its like that with a lot of policies voters simply dont connect the dots, and so they reward or punish the wrong party.
I think the idea that were going to deliver these benefits to people and theyre going to be like, Thank you Jesus, thank you for everything that youve done, let me return you with a larger majority next time, is just nonsense. Its the wrong way to think about politics.
That doesnt mean we shouldnt do things for people, but weve got to be serious about how elections are won. And theyre not being won on the basis of policy proposals or policy wins.
Sean Illing
In the book, you say that Democrats are engaged in policy fights and Republicans are waging a procedural war. What does that mean?
David Faris
The Constitution is a shockingly short document, and it turns out that its extremely vague on some key procedures that we rely on to help government function at a basic level. For the government to work, cooperation between parties is needed. But when that cooperation is withdrawn, it creates chaos.
Since the 90s, when Newt Gingrich took over Congress, weve seen a one-sided escalation in which Republicans exploit the vagueness or lack of clarity in the Constitution in order to press their advantage in a variety of arenas from voter ID laws to gerrymandering to behavioral norms in the Congress and Senate.
Sean Illing
What the Republicans did to Merrick Garland was one of the most egregious examples Ive ever seen.
David Faris
Right. They essentially stole a seat on the Supreme Court a swing seat, no less. But they correctly argued that they had no clear constitutional obligation to consider the presidents nominee for the seat. They didnt violate the Constitution. They violated the spirit of the Constitution. They violated the norms that have allowed these institutions to function normally for years and years.
This is the sort of maneuvering and procedural warfare Im talking about, and the Republicans have been escalating it for two decades. And theyve managed to entrench their power through these dubious procedures.
The result is that the structural environment is biased against Democrats and the Republicans have engineered it that way.
Sean Illing
Lets dive into some of your proposed solutions. For starters...
Right. People just dont seem to make the connection between policies and the party in power.
So, for example, the Democrats passed Obamacare and gave millions of people heath care, and yet tons of people who benefited from it have no idea what it is or how they benefited. And its like that with a lot of policies voters simply dont connect the dots, and so they reward or punish the wrong party.
I think the idea that were going to deliver these benefits to people and theyre going to be like, Thank you Jesus, thank you for everything that youve done, let me return you with a larger majority next time, is just nonsense. Its the wrong way to think about politics.
That doesnt mean we shouldnt do things for people, but weve got to be serious about how elections are won. And theyre not being won on the basis of policy proposals or policy wins.
Sean Illing
In the book, you say that Democrats are engaged in policy fights and Republicans are waging a procedural war. What does that mean?
David Faris
The Constitution is a shockingly short document, and it turns out that its extremely vague on some key procedures that we rely on to help government function at a basic level. For the government to work, cooperation between parties is needed. But when that cooperation is withdrawn, it creates chaos.
Since the 90s, when Newt Gingrich took over Congress, weve seen a one-sided escalation in which Republicans exploit the vagueness or lack of clarity in the Constitution in order to press their advantage in a variety of arenas from voter ID laws to gerrymandering to behavioral norms in the Congress and Senate.
Sean Illing
What the Republicans did to Merrick Garland was one of the most egregious examples Ive ever seen.
David Faris
Right. They essentially stole a seat on the Supreme Court a swing seat, no less. But they correctly argued that they had no clear constitutional obligation to consider the presidents nominee for the seat. They didnt violate the Constitution. They violated the spirit of the Constitution. They violated the norms that have allowed these institutions to function normally for years and years.
This is the sort of maneuvering and procedural warfare Im talking about, and the Republicans have been escalating it for two decades. And theyve managed to entrench their power through these dubious procedures.
The result is that the structural environment is biased against Democrats and the Republicans have engineered it that way.
Sean Illing
Lets dive into some of your proposed solutions. For starters...
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Yes, the Democratic Party is at nearly its weakest point in a century [View all]
Algernon Moncrieff
Jun 2018
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I feel like the idea that Democrats are making everything about Trump to be a myth
Proud Liberal Dem
Jun 2018
#68
Since the 70s Republicans politicized Evangelicals; have worked to build a network of grassroots
betsuni
Jun 2018
#25
Another way to look at that chart is to look at the trend on the "red" Republican side
karynnj
Jun 2018
#81
It seems the losses started becoming persistent/worsening starting with the '94 disaster.
Midwestern Democrat
Jun 2018
#117
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DemocratSinceBirth
Jun 2018
#76
I would think the fact that the economy had cratered and millions had starved and were
Demsrule86
Jun 2018
#62
The entire electoral process needs an overhaul with publicly funded elections at the top of the list
CrispyQ
Jun 2018
#100
Democrats have been fighting a policy war, while Republicans have been fighting a procedural war.
Garrett78
Jun 2018
#11
No use arguin as some with "ostrich" mentality prefer keepin their heads buried & ignore the obvious
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jun 2018
#56
Yeah riiiight... you're very good with your insults ehrnst, I'll give you that.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jun 2018
#107
Yes, you're SO right.. the BIG winner, if that makes you feel better...congrats!!
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jun 2018
#112
Thanks erhnst, that's very kind of you. Just so you know, I read & take your posts quite seriously.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jun 2018
#116
I think the status described is a snap shot of trends of the last two or three decades
Tom Rinaldo
Jun 2018
#72
500,000 more people voted for Ted Cruz than Beto O'Rourke in the March primary
LeftInTX
Jun 2018
#38
democrats became lazy in voting, but that has changed and changed big...the numbers don't lie
beachbum bob
Jun 2018
#58
That is a very good point. We need to vote in all elections as if our lives depend on it because
Demsrule86
Jun 2018
#60
Let me say that in 2008 we had it all...but by 10 those who should have had our backs were
Demsrule86
Jun 2018
#59
Exactly and this is why we are in this position where we sit helplessly by and watch Trump burn
Demsrule86
Jun 2018
#73
We have have had much success in special elections and primaries...but these folks
Demsrule86
Jun 2018
#78
This is why the shielding of criticism of Dem leadership in the long run hurts the Party
DemocraticSocialist8
Jun 2018
#89