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unhappycamper

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Sun Aug 5, 2012, 10:09 AM Aug 2012

Fucking Welfare Queens [View all]

During the 2008 ~ 2009 financial meltdown, my 401K dropped around 40%. In other words 40% of my retirement savings disappeared. Poof. Gone. Many of you also experienced similar involuntary reductions in your 'wealth'; some lost their jobs and homes; 99% of us have experienced cutbacks in one way or the other. Some of us work two or three jobs to feed their family. Other have just given up.

Federal aid to cities and towns has been cut, as have many, if not all social programs. Chances are the roads where you live are in dire need of repair; I know many of the roads in Massachusetts are shit. Many water systems are teetering on the point of collapse, and your school budgets have been cut. Private prisons, private public schools, private colleges and private highways throughout this country are now becoming the new norm.

Hungry kids, adults, seniors, shitty schools, roads and infrastructure, homelessness , no new taxes, and the Tea Party and has become the new hallmark of America.

St. Ronnie gave us the welfare mom driving a Cadillac as the rallying cry to cut social programs. After 30+ years of this bullshit rallying cry, I would like to introduce the 2012 version of that cry. First let's look at where that money goes in the Federal budget:



So the United States Military budget comes from the same pot as Education, Housing & Community, Veterans Benefits, Health, International Affairs, Enery & Environment, Science, Labor, Transportation and Food & Agriculture. The Military is taking 57% of all discretionary funds in the proposed 2013 budget.

So what are we getting for that 57%?

We have a fleet of 186 (or 187) $418 million dollar F-22 Raptors that were grounded for five months because the oxygen systems in those planes were causing pilots to lose consciousness. One plane actually augured into the ground in Alaska when the pilot blacked out. In a recent international war games in Alaska our $418 million dollar wonder did not do all that well:

[center]They (the military) found that the F-22, which Gates once said was supposed to “ensure U.S. command of the skies for the next generation, ”was in fact evenly matched against the German Typhoons. While the F-22s excelled at fighting from beyond visual range, thanks to their sophisticated radar and long-range missiles, close-range combat was a different story. The F-22 is bigger and heavier than the German Typhoon, putting it at a disadvantage. German pilots defeated the F-22s at close-range; they have outlined their tactics in the latest Combat Aircraft magazine.[/center]

The Typhoon cost less than half what an F-22 does and "German pilots defeated the F-22s at close-range". So much for air superiority.

The F-35 is but another example of spending money for the purpose of spending money. Current cost for one of these bad boys is at least $243 million dollars a pop. And the price just keeps going up.


The United States Navy has not had much luck keeping the cost of what they buy down. $200 million dollar Littoral Combat Ships now cost $500+ million dollars each. Our Nation Security Cutters cost at least $546 million dollars a pop. $4.5 million dollar aircraft carriers have given way to the new $40 billion dollar Ford-class aircraft carrier. And we are buiding $5+ billion dollar destroyers at Northrup Grumman's shipyard in Bath, ME.

The $1.5 billion dollar LPD ships and Austral-built ships are, in a word, crap. The USS San Antonio has been in the shop at least three times for repairs since the United States Navy took possession. A recent article surfaced about new woes for the San Antionio class of ships:

www.defensenews.com/article/20120801/DEFREG02/308010007/New-Problems-Found-Avondale-Ships

[center]A new issue involving improperly installed bolts has emerged in the latest ships built by the Avondale shipyard near New Orleans, delaying the delivery of one ship and affecting another.[/center]


The United States Army has also spent a shit load of money on useless crap. $40 to $50 billion dollars of $1 million dollar MRAPs that are no longer needed. $89 thousand dollar precision 155 mm artillery, bad helmets for the troops, bad body armor for the troops, and we are still trying to select another camouflage pattern for our troops. The $100 million dollar Osprey is an expensive helicopter that is still prone to crashes. Andthe Army is bitching about needing to replace HMMWVs, Strikers and all their wheeled and tracked vehicles.


In 2011 the United States Congress created a Super Committe to cut $1.2 trillion dollars in Federal spending. If they did not come up with $1.2 trillion dollars in spending cuts, the military would budget would cough up $600 billion dollars over ten years as would everything else in the discretionary budget.

The Super Committe failed to reach an agreement on where to cut so sequestration is now in effect. Starting in 2013, social programs AND the Military is supposed to take a $60 billion dollar per year reduction in their budgets.

democrats (small d) and Republicans are lamenting the fact that the Military is going to lose another $60 billion dollars of their annual budget because the Super Committe failed to reach an agreement. Cries of a 'hollow force', preparedness decline, 'our equipment is wearing' out and 'we-need-this-weapons-system' abound.

ds and Rs want to stop that additional $60 billion dollar a year cut to the Military budget.

A little perspective is in order:

* The annual budget of the United States Military is around $1 trillion dollars a year by time you add occupation costs, the cost of NATO (in Afghanistan and elsewhere), the cost of supporting the Israeli military, nuke weapons costs, black programs, and all sorts of other goodies to the pile.

* The Military already took an annual $50 billion dollar hit in their one trillion dollar budget. For those not strong on math, one trillion dollars is $1,000,000,000,000; fifty billion dollars is $50,000,000,000. A one followed by twelve zeros divided by five followed by ten zeros is: 1,00[s]0,000,000,000[/s] / 5[s]0,000,000,000[/s] = .05 or 5%.

* These guys (ds and Rs) are bitching about another 5+% hit on their budget and are crying 'foul'. They want the United States Military to remain the strongest in the world. Basically, fuck your jobs, fuck your homes, fuck your health, fuck your food, and fuck you.


Who are the Welfare Queens you ask? Here's just a few of them:









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Fucking Welfare Queens [View all] unhappycamper Aug 2012 OP
I keep bringing up how many of the 1% must actually make more directly from taxpayers than brewens Aug 2012 #1
it seems like the upper middle class pays the taxes and the top 1% collects them. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #18
The average itemized deductions for those with income $200k or more is $64k. LiberalFighter Aug 2012 #45
Hasn't that almost always been the case with the ruling class. They just didn't used to brewens Aug 2012 #58
Which parts of that represent welfare? Tennessee Gal Aug 2012 #2
Food and Agriculture paradox Aug 2012 #3
That's what I thought. Tennessee Gal Aug 2012 #5
This is DISCRETIONARY spending, Social Security, Welfare, Food stamps etc are NOT included happyslug Aug 2012 #77
. rocktivity Aug 2012 #4
Nice! CrispyQ Aug 2012 #102
The MIC death grip on this country continues unabated. marmar Aug 2012 #6
My sentiment exactly. 99Forever Aug 2012 #17
A 5% cut in military spending. That's it? MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #7
Corporate welfare still exist and cost more than the welfare queens. Thinkingabout Aug 2012 #8
Excellent well thought out Smilo Aug 2012 #9
My husband saw Contractor Fraud Waste and Abuse in Iraq BigTime! SaveAmerica Aug 2012 #10
War mongering for corporate welfare, USA, USA... xtraxritical Aug 2012 #11
Yes, I feel it will. I think Obama's steps have been calculated, SaveAmerica Aug 2012 #15
I think pretty much the same. In a second term, fighting climate change must... Amonester Aug 2012 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author rasputin1952 Aug 2012 #12
Can't forget the mercenaries The Wizard Aug 2012 #21
Things must have changed JonLP24 Aug 2012 #68
This was '09 and only one example SaveAmerica Aug 2012 #80
That sounds about right JonLP24 Aug 2012 #85
It's all good, bottom line is that they're wasting money over there SaveAmerica Aug 2012 #112
...and there's all the HLS and other covert op costs which are covered in secrecy. L0oniX Aug 2012 #13
It's digusting and there is no end in sight. raouldukelives Aug 2012 #14
At least they do something for their handout crimson77 Aug 2012 #19
Sounds like typical guys who don't know how to cook. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2012 #22
Not to change the subject crimson77 Aug 2012 #23
Tell me about it... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2012 #24
Ragout of duck legs and Shrimp Remoulde are my specialities. crimson77 Aug 2012 #28
I'm more of the "pizza casserole" type Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2012 #38
The hardest thing for me, is finding all my ingredients at one store. crimson77 Aug 2012 #41
I have access to just about ANYTHING within three miles. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2012 #48
Only in republican world does B Calm Aug 2012 #27
Take all subsidies away, and deductions as well. crimson77 Aug 2012 #30
We do agree. B Calm Aug 2012 #34
Did you look at the chart? What % of the national budget goes to the poor? sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #32
I was born in a Marine Corps family, on a Marine Corps base. crimson77 Aug 2012 #33
Well, there's certainly been enough reporting on the egregious and massive corruption since sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #40
I am overly protective the military, for a variety of reasons. crimson77 Aug 2012 #43
Military Contractors, Halliburton, Bectel et al are not 'the military'. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #52
But Northrup Gruman,Boeing, and Hughes are. I think they do great work. crimson77 Aug 2012 #53
You never answered my question, 'what % of the National Budget goes to the poor'? sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #90
Do you know the answer, I'm to tired to look. crimson77 Aug 2012 #96
It's not hard at all. It's quite easy as a matter of fact. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #113
I am not uncomfortable with those ratio's crimson77 Aug 2012 #114
Welfare, Food Stamps and Social Security are under "NON-Discretionary" spending. happyslug Aug 2012 #79
Post removed Post removed Aug 2012 #47
I am more opposed to the 2 stoner guys part. crimson77 Aug 2012 #51
Do you have any idea how much those "perfectly capable men" (a judgment you leap to with Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #56
I am not conservative, I have an opinion that I wish more people would share. crimson77 Aug 2012 #59
Reading your post and replies leaves only one possible conclusion. Yes, you are a conservative. Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #65
What's flawed about it? crimson77 Aug 2012 #70
The waiver is about granting states more flexibility - a typically RW position progree Aug 2012 #73
Don't get me started on SSDI crimson77 Aug 2012 #74
Ask the 29 RepubliCON governors including Mitt Robme why they wanted the waiver. I don't know. progree Aug 2012 #86
The governors are assholes, for many diffrent reasons crimson77 Aug 2012 #97
I think the RWers are pulling your leg - they are great at telling half truths and manufacturing progree Aug 2012 #108
What percentage do you think that actually is? crimson77 Aug 2012 #111
The RWers are pulling your leg. progree Aug 2012 #119
I don't care about their reasoning. crimson77 Aug 2012 #121
yOU ARE BEING FED RW NONSENSE. How is your research going? progree Aug 2012 #123
I believe that the Republican governors are assholes. crimson77 Aug 2012 #124
"But your right, let's go back to the halcyon day's of the 80's" - cut the crap progree Aug 2012 #130
How many people do you know personally that you believe is "taking advantage" of the system? JaneyVee Aug 2012 #88
In my Situation crimson77 Aug 2012 #95
Where on earth do you live where all these 'undeserving poor' are managing to get all these sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #89
section 8 housing, go sometime it will be illuminating. crimson77 Aug 2012 #92
Your laughing, I'll prove it to you. crimson77 Aug 2012 #93
i hate to tell you but those places won't take the case unless they know they can win. ejpoeta Aug 2012 #103
When I say my friend, crimson77 Aug 2012 #109
So you know one person who in your opinion is scamming the system for what is, actually a pittance sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #120
I'll give you facts crimson77 Aug 2012 #122
You still haven't commented on the Welfare Queens who are getting trillions of dollars sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #125
If people are guilty of frauding the goverment over military spending crimson77 Aug 2012 #128
You know how hard it is to get approved for SSDI? JonLP24 Aug 2012 #104
More generalizations about the working class poor. Keep going, I'm enjoying your posts, they sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #87
I don't even know where to start... Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #131
From the list, it sounds like they might not have a stove. knitter4democracy Aug 2012 #62
Many working poor qualify for food stamps. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #101
How do you know they are perfectly capable? CrispyQ Aug 2012 #105
Would you spend $50,000,000.00 for an alarm system to protect a 73 Ford Pinto? Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2012 #20
Disagree crimson77 Aug 2012 #25
"This country is and will continue to be the greatest country in the history of civilization." Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2012 #29
My nana's canasta team could take them over, I meant of the superpowers. crimson77 Aug 2012 #31
No, actually my response was directed at the "civilization" part. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2012 #42
Top of the morning to you, good sir. crimson77 Aug 2012 #44
In what specific context? LanternWaste Aug 2012 #110
I know where you are going to go with this. crimson77 Aug 2012 #118
Your retirement savings didn't disappear. They were redistributed. NYC_SKP Aug 2012 #26
The out-of-control MIC, of which Ike warned us, and a chillingly regressive tax scheme, perpetrated indepat Aug 2012 #35
I always say it and I always get shit for it, but here it goes again thelordofhell Aug 2012 #36
There is no military budget. Do you mean Dept of Defense? Honeycombe8 Aug 2012 #37
k&r Starry Messenger Aug 2012 #39
Hubby retired from the Navy revolution breeze Aug 2012 #46
And that doesn't even take into account the "Black Budget" 99th_Monkey Aug 2012 #49
The "Black Budget" is included, it is buried in the Defense Budget somewhere. happyslug Aug 2012 #82
What about the $2.3 Trillion that Donald Rumsfeld said was missing? 99th_Monkey Aug 2012 #94
Could be, but the 2.3 Trillion is one of many years if not decades. happyslug Aug 2012 #115
my brother in law died before he could get his disability payments madrchsod Aug 2012 #50
One part of the puzzle that you are leaving unmentioned is truedelphi Aug 2012 #54
Great post dreamnightwind Aug 2012 #71
Post removed Post removed Aug 2012 #55
Go away. Ikonoklast Aug 2012 #57
+1 blkmusclmachine Aug 2012 #60
And when people suggest cutting military spending, the Teabaggers throw a shit fit! Crowman1979 Aug 2012 #61
Kick. Nt xchrom Aug 2012 #63
Funny how that works,, Cryptoad Aug 2012 #64
Nice to see you again unhappy JonLP24 Aug 2012 #66
''Money trumps peace.'' Octafish Aug 2012 #67
We spent $80 Billion over 10 years to re-build Afghanistan Electric grid and schools.... lib2DaBone Aug 2012 #69
We the people don't get crap from that military spending magic59 Aug 2012 #72
THANK YOU... MrMickeysMom Aug 2012 #75
One point that gets missed DonCoquixote Aug 2012 #76
What the bullies of the world spend the most on ... MIC ... and corporate welfare. n/t RKP5637 Aug 2012 #78
Well done. HCE SuiGeneris Aug 2012 #81
I have to disagree, but excluding non-discretionary spending, this chart is missing half the budget. happyslug Aug 2012 #83
57% to send them to A'stan 5% to fix them when they return SaveAmerica Aug 2012 #84
What's really disgusting is to think... tex-wyo-dem Aug 2012 #91
Indeed +1. The numbers are right there, from independent NGO's to the U.N. Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #98
Yeah libodem Aug 2012 #99
We used to call these people "war profiteers", and when we caught them they got hung for treason. baldguy Aug 2012 #100
re:Fucking Welfare Queens,dont get me started on ssdi allan01 Aug 2012 #106
Senators and Congressman Madmiddle Aug 2012 #107
K and R nt. thanks for posting Stuart G Aug 2012 #116
We spend more on defense than the next 50 countries combined. Initech Aug 2012 #117
And they tell us, we are still not safe. I would call that an historically expensive, spectacular sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #127
Yup - it's a classic false sense of security. That's what the MIC offers. Initech Aug 2012 #129
But these Queens have such huge teats cbrer Aug 2012 #126
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