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EastTennesseeDem

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262. That's right!

Sun Aug 5, 2012, 03:29 PM

Aug 2012

If there's something wrong with something in America, kick it out!

Let the gay people who live there fighting for some modicum of decency fight it out on their own. Put the liberals who are working tirelessly on changing minds and hearts of outdated political and social and religious belief systems at the mercy of unchecked southern conservative politicians.

I studied geology at Vanderbilt, and my department's professors went to the state capitol a year or so ago to fight yet another creationist bill. You think they would have had the freedom to fight the good fight if they lived in Biblebeltstan?

I shudder to think of what would happen to these people if the south was cut off. I have a feeling that liberals like myself would be caught in a hateful crossfire, which we are fighting so hard to gather reinforcements against.

"Letting the south go"? That's fucked up rhetoric.

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I seriously think we are seeing the beginning of America seperating into two or three countries. [View all] Justice wanted Aug 2012 OP

I feel the same way, but I feel we're separating evolutionarily. JaneyVee Aug 2012 #1

Interesting. As I travel, the people I see do seem very different, region by region superstring1 Aug 2012 #138

I actually have felt more at home in Europe than I have in certain regions of the U.S. smirkymonkey Aug 2012 #182

I've noticed that too, now more so than ever. BTW RKP5637 Aug 2012 #184

Having lived in several regions of the country, PatSeg Aug 2012 #230

Well said, Pat. nt gateley Aug 2012 #299

No. Just one big nation in decline because of greed and hate. nt nanabugg Aug 2012 #296

Yup, been singing this song and dance for a while nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #2

So the Left Coast can finally become Cascadia? 99th_Monkey Aug 2012 #37

Seven Nations of North America is a good read nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #40

Always nice to be reminded of the potential upsides 99th_Monkey Aug 2012 #87

It's old, but one of the first in the modern period to delve into that nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #171

Compared to what other parts? n/t NEOBuckeye Aug 2012 #89

Southern California coastal. nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #170

About the Book canEHdian Aug 2012 #187

Lemme check, got it in the bookshelf. nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #188

what makes you think a divided US would be any more independent of the banksters than a united HiPointDem Aug 2012 #107

Exactly. RadiationTherapy Aug 2012 #150

My post was mostly in jest 99th_Monkey Aug 2012 #271

Ecotopia....from way back. dixiegrrrrl Aug 2012 #139

I love the USA, but if the "indivisible" becomes divisible, Aristus Aug 2012 #173

Please don't leave without taking New England with you. millijac Aug 2012 #261

That would be quite a gerrymandering trick 99th_Monkey Aug 2012 #270

take Cascadia...please backwoodsbob Aug 2012 #266

Deal! ~nt 99th_Monkey Aug 2012 #269

Looking at it another way dixiegrrrrl Aug 2012 #3

Exactly right. zentrum Aug 2012 #44

+1 Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel Aug 2012 #49

A nuclear-armed Confederacy? F-ck no! leveymg Aug 2012 #84

They'll still be on the dole to us, we use that to insist on disarming them. diane in sf Aug 2012 #98

Look how hard it is to get them to just give up assault rifles and large volume magazines! leveymg Aug 2012 #101

The South is on the dole? dixiegrrrrl Aug 2012 #145

Blue states tabasco Aug 2012 #206

Have you ever noticed... bvar22 Aug 2012 #242

Shhhhhhhh..once "they" find out it is a paradise down here dixiegrrrrl Aug 2012 #246

I'm in... tosh Aug 2012 #257

Mosquito Coast.... dixiegrrrrl Aug 2012 #268

I've only heard it come from a handfull of people down towards the Ozarks. xmas74 Aug 2012 #291

but what about the heat!?? How do you stand it? Auntie Bush Aug 2012 #294

It ain't the heat, it's the humidity. Sometimes. dixiegrrrrl Aug 2012 #295

Nonsense, I recently posted just such a claim demwing Aug 2012 #281

What is nonsense? bvar22 Aug 2012 #283

I'm sorry, but your claim was nonsense. You wrote: demwing Aug 2012 #292

Anyone can find a mirror. bvar22 Aug 2012 #318

And some people can be shown a window demwing Aug 2012 #319

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! ncgrits Aug 2012 #289

Spot on! Thank you. cordelia Aug 2012 #297

The "them" and "they" and "us" cordelia Aug 2012 #298

Works to the Repubs advantage..the more infighting here dixiegrrrrl Aug 2012 #308

Or we just close the existing military bases in the South and let them have their own nation. This jwirr Aug 2012 #194

True, look for humans in North America and elsewhere to clamp down on them, as with Iran superstring1 Aug 2012 #140

We would kick their asses. Again. smirkymonkey Aug 2012 #190

I like the alternative-history subgenre liberalhistorian Aug 2012 #312

I agree, we can use our blue money to make them behave diane in sf Aug 2012 #96

Didn't take long for the South bashing to begin. cordelia Aug 2012 #119

How is Posting FACTS bashing???? ChickFullofHate Aug 2012 #122

Facts? cordelia Aug 2012 #124

That's right! EastTennesseeDem Aug 2012 #262

Maybe just awareness -- not being in denial superstring1 Aug 2012 #141

oh really? mighty broad brush you paint with. oklahoma? michigan? arizona? wyoming? spanone Aug 2012 #134

The South is NOT a uniform collection of mouth breathers, you DO know that, right? dixiegrrrrl Aug 2012 #142

+10,000 smirkymonkey Aug 2012 #185

Maybe you should stop believing in stereotypes and you wouldn't be so scared. Fawke Em Aug 2012 #214

Sigh... Fawke Em Aug 2012 #211

it's interesting because i was watching "the revolution" on netflix ejpoeta Aug 2012 #121

If you want another perspective, dixiegrrrrl Aug 2012 #146

i will have to look for it. i bet that's an interesting perspective! thanks! ejpoeta Aug 2012 #313

There has been a divide since the Civil War, or the Jawja Aug 2012 #143

Key word, "Ancestors." Fawke Em Aug 2012 #216

Grew up in Alabama ThoughtCriminal Aug 2012 #273

That, is an excellent way of putting it !!! n/t RKP5637 Aug 2012 #191

Naaah. I don't see that at all. MADem Aug 2012 #4

A lot of us see that in the not very distant future. braddy Aug 2012 #5

I look forward to it. Zalatix Aug 2012 #6

As much as I'd really like to see these ass-clowns secede to their own little right wing rat holes, meanit Aug 2012 #19

I appreciate the beliefs of a united America, but it is as impractical as a united world. Zalatix Aug 2012 #45

"The Confederates"???????? dixiegrrrrl Aug 2012 #149

That response is sarcasm, right? Zalatix Aug 2012 #157

I am not ignorant of Republicans down here dixiegrrrrl Aug 2012 #177

Historical note of support for you. C. Vann Woodward (in "The Strange Career coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #210

Yes, was aware of that. dixiegrrrrl Aug 2012 #223

They tend to overlook LBJ, Carter, Clinton, Gore mentalsolstice Aug 2012 #251

Historical Note, The south didn't need Jim Crow laws to control people who were still slaves Progressive dog Aug 2012 #280

Jeez, this really isn't a case of the 'he did it too' argument 'from the south.' (I live in coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #311

There are those who see the world as binary, with a razor sharp dividing line between the two halves cherokeeprogressive Aug 2012 #250

Gee, how can we unite to defeat Republicans dixiegrrrrl Aug 2012 #253

The US government doesn't have the wherewithal to move ANY group to a geographical location they cherokeeprogressive Aug 2012 #76

You're totally distorting what I said. I said nothing about forced relocations, nothing whatsoever. Zalatix Aug 2012 #92

NO REASON for Conservatives to live in Liberal America - Money Quote ChickFullofHate Aug 2012 #100

"Kim Jong Un with a mullet and southern accent" Earth Bound Misfit Aug 2012 #103

Picture me, laughing myself blue. I nominate that one for a DUZy. Zalatix Aug 2012 #112

Yep. Build a fence. Strict border control. Ship illegals out. superstring1 Aug 2012 #144

You do realize some of us liberal Southerners stay for a variety of reasons, right? Fawke Em Aug 2012 #222

+++++++++ cherokeeprogressive Aug 2012 #240

Hey. F#@k that. Said with a SOUTHERN accent. ncgrits Aug 2012 #290

Bullshit. Read the first sentence of your post. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2012 #208

Oh for the love of God, seriously? Zalatix Aug 2012 #215

Distorting what you said? enlightenment Aug 2012 #212

Shit, I've seen equivocations here that would make 16th-Century coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #220

Perhaps economics plays a bigger factor KansDem Aug 2012 #151

Kansas is changing drastically IMO. Often i wonder too if more RKP5637 Aug 2012 #199

I left Kansas four years ago. SheilaT Aug 2012 #244

Yep, I'm realizing that more and more that no place seems perfect, and RKP5637 Aug 2012 #288

I think Kansas has been pretty conservative for quite a long time. Brown vs. Topeka, after all, coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #225

I grew up in Long Beach... KansDem Aug 2012 #272

"I think Kansas has been pretty conservative for quite a long time." KansDem Aug 2012 #274

I suspect we may stay united in some type of military alliance for safeties sake. It is the goals of jwirr Aug 2012 #207

The red states can't make it on their own. They get too many Federal dollars Lex Aug 2012 #7

Yes. zentrum Aug 2012 #47

How much per capita do the red and blue states get? dixiegrrrrl Aug 2012 #152

Here's the facts on that. And relax, 'red States' are spread around much of the nation, West Bluenorthwest Aug 2012 #158

I was replying to a poster who made the assertion dixiegrrrrl Aug 2012 #175

I know you feel that it was south bashing nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #178

What cultural differences? Fawke Em Aug 2012 #226

For instance the value of things like ecological preservation nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #231

Yes, an interesting question JNelson6563 Aug 2012 #163

According to the maps dixiegrrrrl Aug 2012 #183

The map categories are very broad Ednahilda Aug 2012 #205

No, Alabama takes back $1.62 for every $1 of tax paid. Son of Gob Aug 2012 #277

Read the numbers at the bottom jeff47 Aug 2012 #316

Outstanding graphic! CrispyQ Aug 2012 #195

pls see the map in post 163. dixiegrrrrl Aug 2012 #186

I'm not sure you read the bottom of that map correctly. Son of Gob Aug 2012 #279

Perhaps there is merit to dividing the USA. SDjack Aug 2012 #8

I do not believe that is happening. Tx4obama Aug 2012 #9

Who is Governor there? Zalatix Aug 2012 #46

Texas will be purple in a generation demwing Aug 2012 #181

I wonder if eventually international corporations take the place of nations aint_no_life_nowhere Aug 2012 #10

You ever read "Snow Crash" by Neil Stephenson? XemaSab Aug 2012 #15

That's exactly what I was thinking of. white_wolf Aug 2012 #26

What is it about? Not in a position to get books easily - even from the library which is ten miles. jwirr Aug 2012 #217

Here's the Wiki piece on it gateley Aug 2012 #306

Thank you. jwirr Aug 2012 #320

Add to your list "The Unincorporated Man." nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #41

And the original "Rollerball," starring James Caan. Masterful. Bette Noir Aug 2012 #72

Thanks for the reference Bragi Aug 2012 #162

Yes. Great book! gateley Aug 2012 #305

Makes me think of "He, She and It" by Marge Piercy suffragette Aug 2012 #203

Lots of people hope it'll happen, but I don't think it's logistical. tridim Aug 2012 #11

+1,000,000 Tom Ripley Aug 2012 #51

Some DUers have longed for anarchy forever JNelson6563 Aug 2012 #164

Can i please be part of where DU is going to be? darkangel218 Aug 2012 #12

+++ 1,000 +++ Same Here! n/t RKP5637 Aug 2012 #63

Why? We've been through much worse. Seriously. Get a grip. Edweird Aug 2012 #13

I'm sorry I see the hate and just craziness and that professors words keep echoing in my mind. Justice wanted Aug 2012 #55

Yeah, not a big history buff are ya? Edweird Aug 2012 #130

Who would keep the south afloat? chknltl Aug 2012 #14

If Texas secedes, who keeps Mexico from annexing it? Bette Noir Aug 2012 #73

I suspect the good citizens of the country of Texas might have a say. chknltl Aug 2012 #97

One supposes the Texans can take take of themselves... KansDem Aug 2012 #125

Who cares? superstring1 Aug 2012 #135

Well, Mexico has enough problems to even think about it nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #180

They would never do that. That would mean that the Palin family would have to become smirkymonkey Aug 2012 #198

I can see five: Chipper Chat Aug 2012 #16

Im going to be part of gulfica :) darkangel218 Aug 2012 #24

Nah. Chipper Chat Aug 2012 #25

:p darkangel218 Aug 2012 #28

Coors is loaded with beaver piss. I have been to the headwaters and saw it for my self. nt SDjack Aug 2012 #123

That is so not true! darkangel218 Aug 2012 #153

No. Thats not true. bvar22 Aug 2012 #258

I agree. Blue_In_AK Aug 2012 #35

South Manitoba, please. MNBrewer Aug 2012 #43

Adorable. You see Florida ruling Puerto Rico and Cuba. aquart Aug 2012 #66

what about NY and NJ? Sanity Claws Aug 2012 #110

I believe NJ, MD, Del DoC, Pa and NY is included in what Chipper Chat describes Fla Dem Aug 2012 #160

Yes, I like Atlantica too and we would probably include New England since we smirkymonkey Aug 2012 #201

mormanica is totally going to be drug cartel territory BOG PERSON Aug 2012 #224

I call your 5 and raise you 4 more demwing Aug 2012 #248

There is no country that will form that will tabasco Aug 2012 #275

Gullfucka - LoL Chipper Chat Aug 2012 #285

Very interesting....... A Russian economist saw the USA breaking up into 4 or 5 "countries'. This firenewt Aug 2012 #17

I have wondered the same thing more than once. cbrer Aug 2012 #18

The seperation is not along geographical lines johnd83 Aug 2012 #20

Actually, it's far more of a city vs. rural divide more than anything else. Lex Aug 2012 #21

No, it isn't city/country johnd83 Aug 2012 #23

Sorry, my friend, you're wrong Lex Aug 2012 #31

But it's conservative only fiscal.... WCGreen Aug 2012 #56

I had a recent discussion with one of those. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #118

:( darkangel218 Aug 2012 #22

There is also no way our military and MIC would allow the country to break up johnd83 Aug 2012 #27

This ^^^ kentauros Aug 2012 #317

Not going to happen - we fought our bloodiest war over this. Pirate Smile Aug 2012 #29

Brandeis University History Professor David Hackett Fischer suggests four distint countries Brother Buzz Aug 2012 #30

Excuse me? The Southwest has Spanish/Mexican roots, not British. Bette Noir Aug 2012 #77

Albion's Seed mostly deals with the English seed nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #169

Yeah, I love when people refer to Los Angeles as a late comer to American history.. left coaster Aug 2012 #202

No, he does not. Albion's Seed does not suggest the making of new natons at all Bluenorthwest Aug 2012 #165

Alaska should be part of Canada. Blue_In_AK Aug 2012 #32

You just want their health care. Bette Noir Aug 2012 #78

Well, yeah, there's that, Blue_In_AK Aug 2012 #94

But politically Alaska is very different from Canada, why is that? Bluenorthwest Aug 2012 #172

We did elect a democrat to the Senate last time around, Mark Begich, Blue_In_AK Aug 2012 #256

Right on Bette. sarcasmo Aug 2012 #131

ONLY after it's put to a vote. n/t cherokeeprogressive Aug 2012 #85

No. We bought that land fair and square from Russia. JVS Aug 2012 #137

Most of it does. Blue_In_AK Aug 2012 #254

Canada wouldn't want Alaska as long as Sarah Palin still lived ther. n/t Fla Dem Aug 2012 #161

We don't know where she is. Blue_In_AK Aug 2012 #255

bad as it seems it's nothing compared to the way the u.s. was throughout the 1800s. unblock Aug 2012 #33

We already had a civil war /nt still_one Aug 2012 #34

Up here in Oregon, Washington & B.C., the Cascadia Independence movement... Speck Tater Aug 2012 #36

I think Cascadia could take Southeast Alaska (the Panhandle) Blue_In_AK Aug 2012 #39

From San Francisco to Juneau. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2012 #57

Yes, Juneau is a liberal little bastion down there in Southeast Blue_In_AK Aug 2012 #95

Gosh, how brilliantly successful it's been. aquart Aug 2012 #68

That would require people working together and making sacrifices - fat chance. jtuck004 Aug 2012 #38

There have always been forces for separation, from the very beginning bhikkhu Aug 2012 #42

Yep. aquart Aug 2012 #71

Nnnnnnope. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2012 #48

IT MUST NOT BE ALLOWED!!!! The Traveler Aug 2012 #50

Nobody said "kicking out the South", they left on their own last time just1voice Aug 2012 #70

Have a plebiscite. Honor the vote. Use the dissolution model of Czechoslovakia. SDjack Aug 2012 #154

Here's the dividing line, dating back to the 1820 Missouri Compromise just1voice Aug 2012 #52

That is the approximate northern limit of malaria-carrying mosquitoes bhikkhu Aug 2012 #58

Sadly, that was a factor in slavery just1voice Aug 2012 #88

Sometimes... mzteris Aug 2012 #53

Well shit, 200 years from now who the hell knows what the world will look like... Drunken Irishman Aug 2012 #54

I see the following scenario happening. airplaneman Aug 2012 #59

You know, I was thinking about that earlier today, was thinking of RKP5637 Aug 2012 #60

Oh, what nonsense. And it's separate. aquart Aug 2012 #61

Read some history, starting with the Missouri Compromise and then the Civil War just1voice Aug 2012 #65

+1 nt Codeine Aug 2012 #218

It is not hysteria, more and more SERIOUS people are talking about it nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #243

NM will have to rejoin Mexico Warpy Aug 2012 #62

No you stay with us Colorado folks. DevonRex Aug 2012 #282

Nah, Colorado would probably join Mexico with us Warpy Aug 2012 #287

Beware of Dominionists! YOHABLO Aug 2012 #64

+1 TrogL Aug 2012 #315

Free Vermont!!! limpyhobbler Aug 2012 #67

Here is how it will look ;) Yeah Its Spin Aug 2012 #69

Very interesting. I would have thought there would have been more protestant denominations smirkymonkey Aug 2012 #209

That map can be deceiving Art_from_Ark Aug 2012 #314

Won't happen BBGC Aug 2012 #74

Oh My Yeah Its Spin Aug 2012 #81

Yes, I am BBGC Aug 2012 #228

That the riots won't start until we lose cable and The Colonel's food, I suspect is true. jtuck004 Aug 2012 #99

As always, your comments are dixiegrrrrl Aug 2012 #197

""The vast majority of people have the intellectual capacity of a goldfish." Bluenorthwest Aug 2012 #179

This message was self-deleted by its author BBGC Aug 2012 #232

You know.... BBGC Aug 2012 #235

People should read about what was happening between Missouri & Kansas Pirate Smile Aug 2012 #75

silly stuff. silly season. cali Aug 2012 #79

Post removed Post removed Aug 2012 #80

As long as we have open borders, I don't really care. Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #82

You make a good point, but I imagine the fervor that would go with creating new countries pampango Aug 2012 #111

No sense in starting a new country NoPasaran Aug 2012 #241

Well, lets think about his for a second. Incitatus Aug 2012 #83

One of them is the Duchy Of Grand Fenwick. Kablooie Aug 2012 #86

Can it be divided up into 300,000,000? Trillo Aug 2012 #90

Our biggest divide in this country is uberwealthy vs. everyone else. Marr Aug 2012 #91

+1. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #106

I agree but I don't think people see it the way they should - TBF Aug 2012 #159

+1 leftstreet Aug 2012 #237

+10000 ...Yes, and the wealthy woo me with science Aug 2012 #302

Oddly enough, the Washington Monthly talked about this in July agentS Aug 2012 #93

It is in the air nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #196

Why a divided America is in our future - Ask yourself this question first ChickFullofHate Aug 2012 #102

Yes, but the values of Vermont are not so different cali Aug 2012 #104

A common language????? ChickFullofHate Aug 2012 #105

yes, sweetie, a common language. cali Aug 2012 #108

We might be one country today but I am going to endeavor ChickFullofHate Aug 2012 #109

lol. so you think you can change us from a union cali Aug 2012 #114

I wish I had that power to do it myself ChickFullofHate Aug 2012 #120

wow--your screen name fits zazen Aug 2012 #127

Anger can be power if one knows how it use it ChickFullofHate Aug 2012 #129

"ChickFullofHate" Great DU Name? NoPasaran Aug 2012 #238

"Ole Dubya" was born in Connecticut and edumacated at Yale NoPasaran Aug 2012 #116

My goodness... Ishoutandscream2 Aug 2012 #174

Since I'm an actual Southerner and not the stereotype you have bought into... Fawke Em Aug 2012 #234

All the friction between us Shankapotomus Aug 2012 #113

Your armed forces are fully unified, so it won't happen muriel_volestrangler Aug 2012 #115

Not a chance. Apocalyptic fantasy. randome Aug 2012 #117

We're back to the threat of the country fracturing and the parts making war on each other. no_hypocrisy Aug 2012 #126

At least California should split into two. Vattel Aug 2012 #128

Well the south sticks together then they can have their religion and what they southernyankeebelle Aug 2012 #132

Or we are seeing a national party forced to conform to anti-federalist rhetoric HereSince1628 Aug 2012 #133

Agree. In fact, given an existing situation that won't change, I like it superstring1 Aug 2012 #136

The actual geographic divide is overwhelmingly rural versus urban Douglas Carpenter Aug 2012 #147

The Northeast is pretty damn blue cali Aug 2012 #148

A national precinct map would even show the point stronger. Douglas Carpenter Aug 2012 #156

If you could get a map divided by city/county, you'd see even more speckles. Fawke Em Aug 2012 #239

Agreed. Baitball Blogger Aug 2012 #155

This morning on the local news they were Skidmore Aug 2012 #166

Minnesota has been trheatening to secede to Canada for generations. n/t kickysnana Aug 2012 #167

I'm sorry but the posts here about splitting up America d_r Aug 2012 #168

Sadly, there's a large contingent here at DU Ishoutandscream2 Aug 2012 #176

Agreed. Believing the country can split up is a 'simpler' solution... randome Aug 2012 #192

yes it is d_r Aug 2012 #219

I suspect there is one difference. Most of us are asking if it will happen not wishing for it. jwirr Aug 2012 #221

My state's pretty damn blue cali Aug 2012 #252

a split could only occur if people in a definable geographic area believed that they were going to Douglas Carpenter Aug 2012 #189

Nothing lasts forever. NOTHING. Curtland1015 Aug 2012 #193

Sign me up. Where do I sign up? Please, please, sign me up now. Zorra Aug 2012 #200

That is utopia nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #204

I see no other reason to split the country other than to get rid of conservatives. Zorra Aug 2012 #259

Congratulations in engaging in the same eliminationist rethoric they do nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #260

Thank you! Excellent news that conservatives want to split also. Zorra Aug 2012 #309

Religion, ethnicity nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #310

Me too. I'd be happy to secede. tblue Aug 2012 #229

Wow this is a long thread BootinUp Aug 2012 #213

The factions are at each others throats and bullying is a big factor. Lint Head Aug 2012 #227

...AND you can find them in every geographical part of the US. bvar22 Aug 2012 #263

There is no sigle united American culture or ethnicity. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #233

We are not enemies, but friends. NoPasaran Aug 2012 #236

The South is beautiful, bvar22 Aug 2012 #245

The book I wish everyone would read is SheilaT Aug 2012 #247

I have... and it is Toynbee for the American people nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #265

Generations and Fourth Turning kurt_cagle Aug 2012 #286

The stupidity never ends... cherokeeprogressive Aug 2012 #249

This is just creative speculation, Cherokee. Blue_In_AK Aug 2012 #264

Unlikely to happen 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #267

Gotta love ideas like this, they always get the same responses just1voice Aug 2012 #276

What we are seeing is a country evolving lunatica Aug 2012 #278

Breakup kurt_cagle Aug 2012 #284

I think the fantasy is more of a wishful thinking method of being rid of TheKentuckian Aug 2012 #293

Dude,where's my car? deaniac21 Aug 2012 #300

Better Off without 'Em: A Northern Manifesto for Southern Secession Ian David Aug 2012 #301

And what else could this professor of yours tell you about this country in the year 2150? onenote Aug 2012 #303

I knew 2150 rang a bell. Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #304

100 - 150 years is a very long time. SnohoDem Aug 2012 #307