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Kaleva

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90. I've had discussions with members who think we ought to only vote for the incumbents...

Sun Jul 22, 2018, 06:09 PM

Jul 2018

and that no one ought to challenge these incumbents in a primary. A number of these challengers look to me to be very good candidates in their own right and have views on the issues that's in sync with many here at DU.

While I can see the point of those who think every seat we have now is vital to hold and should not be risked by potentially replacing an established incumbent with a newbie, I feel that this Party thrives and enthusiasm goes up when we voters are given choices. When one already knows the outcome of a primary months before a election is held, there isn't much enthusiasm. If the newcomer candidates bring in new voters and that translates to more votes for the nominee, whoever that may be, in the fall, that's great for us!

Looking and thinking about what you wrote about the alerted on posts, I see no violation of any DU rule as it's primary season and quite okay to advocate for any candidate running as a Democrat.

Primary season is always a messy and heated time here at DU.

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Is Anybody As Suspicious As I Am About Some Of The Posts Here On DU?..... [View all] global1 Jul 2018 OP

There are sleeper cells here, there always been. Post count and joined date not always accurate. winstars Jul 2018 #1

Sleeper cells? oberliner Jul 2018 #15

Yes, Oberliner. Lots of "members" who've been quiescent Hortensis Jul 2018 #23

Not in a Sleeper Cell Charlotte Little Jul 2018 #32

Howdy, Charlotte. This thread is about hostile agents, Hortensis Jul 2018 #39

Same as you Madam Mossfern Jul 2018 #95

We are just being cautious bdamomma Jul 2018 #111

Same here Charlotte PunksMom Jul 2018 #123

This sort of thinking breeds suspicion and paranoia oberliner Jul 2018 #33

Or just makes us careful and observant malaise Jul 2018 #41

I use this approach. Not naive, but trust that I can use my own judgement. dameatball Jul 2018 #77

LOL. When people post anti-Democratic things over and over, they will likely be percieved Squinch Jul 2018 #45

If someone posts something 'anti-democratic' you can alert on them whathehell Jul 2018 #46

I can also form an opinion about them, and be wary of their future posts. Squinch Jul 2018 #51

Okay.. whathehell Jul 2018 #53

+1000 stonecutter357 Jul 2018 #108

++++++++ BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2018 #119

Why do you think we have MIRT? Cary Jul 2018 #58

No one objects to thoughtful discussion. Divisive comments and posts rainin Jul 2018 #132

I'm positive there are. justgamma Jul 2018 #31

I respectfully disagree oberliner Jul 2018 #35

Sure pointed discussions are good LakeArenal Jul 2018 #109

I can guess the 4. CentralMass Jul 2018 #36

I can think of 4 who seem to be in constant attack mode Kaleva Jul 2018 #75

Yes. CentralMass Jul 2018 #130

Yes. winstars Jul 2018 #102

No offense, but... Adrahil Jul 2018 #116

if you re-register using the same email but different Username JDC Jul 2018 #17

Same here cutroot Jul 2018 #2

Welcome to DU cutroot. I'm down here in the SE cornor of MI. nt Snotcicles Jul 2018 #7

Thanks for the welcome cutroot Jul 2018 #21

I get a like seeing fellow ganders on here. And there are a few. nt Snotcicles Jul 2018 #25

Yes elleng Jul 2018 #3

Just because you are paranoid, yortsed snacilbuper Jul 2018 #4

Yep. underthematrix Jul 2018 #5

Because the day is drawing near and they want people to stay home dalton99a Jul 2018 #6

Their objective is to put weights on your chest, slowly, while you are sleeping. thewhollytoast Jul 2018 #34

Elicit thegoose Jul 2018 #8

You Know When I Typed It - I Thought It Might Be Wrong But.... global1 Jul 2018 #28

May wish to correct it left-of-center2012 Jul 2018 #71

Thank you. Tipperary Jul 2018 #134

Absolutely with you. I read all posts with a parnoid eye. bitterross Jul 2018 #9

Trolls, zombies and bots, oh my. Scurrilous Jul 2018 #10

As well as regular members that post a daily stream of divisive posts. CentralMass Jul 2018 #37

Yep. Scurrilous Jul 2018 #89

Some, definitely... But not all criticism of all our long beloved progressive media sources hlthe2b Jul 2018 #11

Katrina's disappointed me. Bigtime. In the early '90s thru 2006 oasis Jul 2018 #83

Yep RandomAccess Jul 2018 #12

Post removed Post removed Jul 2018 #13

You're bound to have a lot of fun here True Dough Jul 2018 #20

I've been here for YEARS before, since Nov 2003! KCDebbie Jul 2018 #27

There are some that were here essme Jul 2018 #88

What happened to your last account? Mosby Jul 2018 #146

You are being too suspicious oberliner Jul 2018 #14

As there should be (referring to your last sentence). Learning to sort out, prioritize and live with ancianita Jul 2018 #38

Thanks for being logical!! nt USALiberal Jul 2018 #55

Interesting post. Kingofalldems Jul 2018 #59

. stonecutter357 Jul 2018 #113

Thank you for that insightful contribution to this discussion oberliner Jul 2018 #114

As mere guesses go, yours is emphatic in its scope. LanternWaste Jul 2018 #139

There will be attempts from the right to divide and discourage us. Flaleftist Jul 2018 #16

Alexandria Ocasio Cortez has become a lightning rod here True Dough Jul 2018 #18

It should be about policies and not personality. onecaliberal Jul 2018 #26

IMO, it's an extension of the continuing Hillary-Sanders squabble Kaleva Jul 2018 #69

Personally, I think most Hillary and Bernie supporters wish they would shut the fuck up... demmiblue Jul 2018 #73

I agree. It's the same few. Kaleva Jul 2018 #76

And most of those promoting AOC's every movement/endorsement are Bernie supporters who are seaglass Jul 2018 #120

I voted for and contributed to Hillary Kaleva Jul 2018 #125

Why don't we make a deal? RhodeIslandOne Jul 2018 #143

Unlike you, I'm not afraid of competition. Kaleva Jul 2018 #145

I think the party benefits if everyone in the primary votes for the eventual Democratic nominee RhodeIslandOne Jul 2018 #148

I agree with you Kaleva Jul 2018 #149

Agreed, and it's past time to stop refighting the 2016 primaries Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2018 #153

Yes, and many of them are pretty obvious. GoCubsGo Jul 2018 #19

Oh, yes. Repetitive hostile themes posted by the same Hortensis Jul 2018 #22

Personality disorders is my guess. demmiblue Jul 2018 #24

i have no doubt there are Russian trolls here to stoke divisions.......... Takket Jul 2018 #29

You aren't being too suspicious. Whatever the sentament is, don't let it stop you from doing what Afromania Jul 2018 #30

All of the above n/t Tom Rinaldo Jul 2018 #40

I have been here since almost the beginning of DU and there has been a shift Quixote1818 Jul 2018 #42

Yes, I am just as suspicious Generic Brad Jul 2018 #43

Yes. And they think they are quite clever. tavernier Jul 2018 #44

Suspicious has always ran pretty deep here fescuerescue Jul 2018 #47

You can still get herpes from sharing utensils.... pbmus Jul 2018 #48

Not to distract from the point, but whathehell Jul 2018 #49

One of my personal theories fescuerescue Jul 2018 #50

Anyone pushing "establishment" as a slur BannonsLiver Jul 2018 #52

K & R THANK YOU! It is used with the intent to denigrate a Party of people from all walks of life Wwcd Jul 2018 #129

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2018 #131

Yeah, that's a dead give away.. Cha Jul 2018 #136

+1000 EllieBC Jul 2018 #144

Sure. I look at histories and unless I really know someone I'm skeptical. nolabear Jul 2018 #54

there are actually some news that isn't all pro-democratic and other stuff that is strictly OPINION beachbum bob Jul 2018 #56

As soon as petty, long-winded Polly Hennessey Jul 2018 #57

I wonder about the fluff voteearlyvoteoften Jul 2018 #60

We have every right to harbor such suspicions. Paladin Jul 2018 #61

I've been here close to a year, haven't posted much, nocoincidences Jul 2018 #62

Yes democrank Jul 2018 #63

Yep! Anon-C Jul 2018 #64

I believe there are some sleepers here. Example. edbermac Jul 2018 #65

Nothing more suspicious than a long term account fescuerescue Jul 2018 #74

hahah. And what about accounts with a lot of posts? Who are they trying to fool? And then there are JCanete Jul 2018 #94

LOL PDittie Jul 2018 #101

I, too, have thought some people are trolls CozyMystery Jul 2018 #66

Interesting. Turbineguy Jul 2018 #67

Calling out fellow posters in a bad way is a TOS violation... Hekate Jul 2018 #110

Not suspicious--100% sure on some. Kingofalldems Jul 2018 #68

Since '02 The Figment Jul 2018 #70

I read here almost everyday but don't always post. appleannie1943 Jul 2018 #72

You're too paranoid TheFarseer Jul 2018 #78

Well said oberliner Jul 2018 #87

I agree completely Awsi Dooger Jul 2018 #96

It reminds me of the Al Franken bit TheFarseer Jul 2018 #141

The last 3 times I've been on a DU jury, the questionable post contains "establishment Democrats" Mrs. Overall Jul 2018 #79

Why would that even be alerted on? Kaleva Jul 2018 #84

The posts appeared divisive because they seemed to be encouraging people not to vote Mrs. Overall Jul 2018 #86

I've had discussions with members who think we ought to only vote for the incumbents... Kaleva Jul 2018 #90

This whole "let's not have democracy" thing truly baffles me. wonkwest Jul 2018 #97

Thank you for your thoughtful response. You make some really good points regarding incumbents Mrs. Overall Jul 2018 #106

I'm looking forward to the primaries being over but I also enjoy the give and take. Kaleva Jul 2018 #117

Isn't it OK to support any Democratic candidate running a primary? oberliner Jul 2018 #91

Yes, definitely. Mrs. Overall Jul 2018 #100

I lulz'd KG Jul 2018 #80

Vlad says he could throw someone out of a window on 5th Avenue and Trump would still love him. dameatball Jul 2018 #81

What if that someone was the First Daughter ? Pluvious Jul 2018 #128

Hmmmmmmm......haven't seen her lately. Coincidence?? dameatball Jul 2018 #135

The question is where do you see it and where do you not see it? Do you see it only when JCanete Jul 2018 #82

What a great post oberliner Jul 2018 #85

I saw it when one poster made OP after OP attacking Al Franken. Kingofalldems Jul 2018 #93

You wrote that in close proximity True Dough Jul 2018 #103

Yep. Kingofalldems Jul 2018 #105

I think those claims are overrated mythology Jul 2018 #92

This is a tiny website wonkwest Jul 2018 #98

There are several one trick ponies here DFW Jul 2018 #99

Yes. Very distressing. nt Hekate Jul 2018 #104

We seem to be wasting a lot of time arguing about certain people. ladjf Jul 2018 #107

Why would someone take the time to divide us? brooklynite Jul 2018 #112

I bet the FBI ,CIA, NSA all are watching DU . stonecutter357 Jul 2018 #115

There are Russian trolls here jpak Jul 2018 #118

Exactly, bot technology was pretty advanced back in the early 1990's Vilis Veritas Jul 2018 #133

Absolutely... Wounded Bear Jul 2018 #121

Full Ignore is the best feature on DU. nt TeamPooka Jul 2018 #122

Yes Meowmee Jul 2018 #124

No you are not too suspicious. secondwind Jul 2018 #126

Yes, I saw one this morning about the mueller investigation being over by September kimbutgar Jul 2018 #127

I think there is good reason to be suspicious standingtall Jul 2018 #137

Great thread... tenderfoot Jul 2018 #138

What's the difference between "divide us" and "generate lively debate?" nt LAS14 Jul 2018 #140

Yes, absolutely. For example... mtnsnake Jul 2018 #142

I think there is a solution approach to help the trolls invisibilize themselves shanen Jul 2018 #147

I definitely am. I am also suspicious of you for posting this. Seems divisiive. Captain Stern Jul 2018 #150

As they're fond of saying in Russia: sandensea Jul 2018 #151

I do not know what that means. Captain Stern Jul 2018 #152

Trust; but verify. sandensea Jul 2018 #155

Ah, yes..Cheetos. Captain Stern Jul 2018 #156

It's become Putin's favorite snack, that's for sure. sandensea Jul 2018 #157

This made me laugh out loud comrade Stern......NT nil desperandum Jul 2018 #158

OMG B2G Jul 2018 #154

Outstanding. PDittie Jul 2018 #159