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joshcryer

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153. I think she maybe lashed back.

Mon Aug 13, 2018, 01:17 AM

Aug 2018

Because when you're being attacked usually that's what you do. Add in screaming, foul language, and it looks like they're "equally" bad regardless of who instigated. And then if it didn't start before things escalated there is opportunity for obfuscation (as is oh so common with these folks) to muddle what really happened.

The video acts as protection against libel / slander and as another poster said it may be released after all, I just think it's probably not as one sided as it may appear, else it'd be released. They can always blur out anything (and indeed if it was the way you portray, that would have a good effect toward rallying people to her cause).

It remains fascinating to me how quickly people are coming to this dudes defense and calling her a liar though. I'm not saying in any way the video is a lie, just that there are good reasons not to release it.

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MN: Keith Ellison's opponents asks him to address allegations of domestic abuse [View all] RandySF Aug 2018 OP

FYI I previously endorsed Ellison for Attorney General RandySF Aug 2018 #1

Before this I had doubts Keith could win a statewide race dflprincess Aug 2018 #2

The children of the alleged victim just posted the accusation of Facebook RandySF Aug 2018 #5

I usually agree with you and things you post, but Facebook a few days before the Primary? George II Aug 2018 #122

That sure came from left field, Wellstone ruled Aug 2018 #7

knew someone for decades RandySF Aug 2018 #19

That is a true statement. Wellstone ruled Aug 2018 #20

Don't you live in San Fransisco? Why the interest in Minnesota politics? LakeSuperiorView Aug 2018 #27

Randy seems to have penchant for posting negative articles about Bernie Sanders and those associated CentralMass Aug 2018 #28

He posts lots about the various primaries happening all across the country. W_HAMILTON Aug 2018 #32

Yes, he does, but he also does regulary negative post about Sanders and those that align with him CentralMass Aug 2018 #36

Any of those "regularly negative posts" false? I don't think so. George II Aug 2018 #124

Strange.I've noticed that too. Power 2 the People Aug 2018 #53

They're BS' own words and actions.. so if they're "negative" Cha Aug 2018 #117

No he doesn't. You should edit or self delete this attack on him. George II Aug 2018 #123

Respectfully disagree. H2O Man Aug 2018 #136

I pay attention to every state RandySF Aug 2018 #30

You have two Senators and one Representive. Everyone in every state does. LakeSuperiorView Aug 2018 #37

If the person is going to lose to the GOP because of something he's done, then it matters. pnwmom Aug 2018 #39

No, it does not matter to you. They do not represent you. LakeSuperiorView Aug 2018 #43

How about this? RandySF Aug 2018 #45

After what happened to Franken, I am more than a little sensitive about people messing LakeSuperiorView Aug 2018 #51

It's not meddling GP6971 Aug 2018 #110

So when Obama endorses candidates on the upcoming election, he is meddling? hughee99 Aug 2018 #114

Interesting comment. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #140

So you object to AOC, Bernie Sanders, Keith Ellison and some Ninsianna Aug 2018 #162

Please stop telling people "to mind their own business".. Cha Aug 2018 #71

You tell 'em, Cha! spooky3 Aug 2018 #103

Hey, Spooky! Cha Aug 2018 #104

Aloha! spooky3 Aug 2018 #105

Pretty beautiful! Cha Aug 2018 #106

Rainy--such a shame that the Nazis' protest was ruined spooky3 Aug 2018 #107

Karma, baby! And, so brave Cha Aug 2018 #111

yes, the article said that an association sent members legal info spooky3 Aug 2018 #113

No doubt! And good point about DC Cha Aug 2018 #115

thanks! I'm glad the restaurant seems to be doing well. nt spooky3 Aug 2018 #116

Post removed Post removed Aug 2018 #129

All you have are disingenuous insults. Cha Aug 2018 #130

Don't know if you live in either Vermont or New York City, but you should be equally annoyed... George II Aug 2018 #127

I'm pissed at a certain someone from New York that thinks their opinion about MN politics matters. LakeSuperiorView Aug 2018 #131

Consider this.. you ever so rudely got on this Cha Aug 2018 #142

"Butting in?" I think that if you can't tolerate conversation about politicians ehrnst Aug 2018 #159

We don't have the luxury of ignoring your legislator - he's involved in policies that affect us ... marble falls Aug 2018 #160

He is also Co-Chair of the DNC RandySF Aug 2018 #44

Welcome to DU, by the way. RandySF Aug 2018 #42

Is this your "A" game? Nt NCTraveler Aug 2018 #48

That doesn't make any sense whatsoever... LakeSuperiorView Aug 2018 #132

Agree. Nt NCTraveler Aug 2018 #134

I guess you haven't been on DU long enough to know. pnwmom Aug 2018 #50

You would be surprized. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, of course. LakeSuperiorView Aug 2018 #57

Democrats openly expressing opinions is absolutely different than secret meddling by Russia, pnwmom Aug 2018 #59

No, a Californian messing with a Minnesota election is a foreign entity. LakeSuperiorView Aug 2018 #60

Then a Vermont Senator stumping for Keith Ellison is a "foreign entity" interfering in an election. pnwmom Aug 2018 #61

You presume a lot. That's something I've noticed about you. LakeSuperiorView Aug 2018 #128

Why do you get so rude and personal? Cha Aug 2018 #144

Hey, Member of DU for 5 whole weeks, this forum is called General Discussion... winstars Aug 2018 #146

Okay, then the other alternative is that you're not being logical. pnwmom Aug 2018 #148

One of the hottest Hot Takes I've ever read on DU. Congrats as I have read many hot takes here emulatorloo Aug 2018 #66

Can Californians vote in Minnesota? LakeSuperiorView Aug 2018 #133

How's that telling people to shut up working out for you? MrsCoffee Aug 2018 #135

Can Californians donate to a candidate in Minnesota? emulatorloo Aug 2018 #138

"Russian meddling" What a crock. Cha Aug 2018 #139

Californians can donate to candidates in Minnesota. Cha Aug 2018 #145

BULL.. then BS is a "foreign agent" according to Cha Aug 2018 #73

So how do you feel about Senators and Representative candidates campaigning out of state? George II Aug 2018 #125

You just joined DU brer cat Aug 2018 #70

IKR! And, calling us "Foreign Agents".. Cha Aug 2018 #74

Yeah, I bet Randy has never been called that before. pnwmom Aug 2018 #77

I'm sure it's a new one! He's been Cha Aug 2018 #83

You equate voicing an opinion about a politician in another state with Russian meddling? ehrnst Aug 2018 #158

Um, that's some unique logic mythology Aug 2018 #121

That's too bad. Keith Ellison is also vice DNC chair. We're interested in all the States of Cha Aug 2018 #141

Do you feel the same way about Bernie and Alexandria campaigning against incumbent Democrats pnwmom Aug 2018 #38

That was my question! Cha Aug 2018 #75

Keith Ellison is a nationally-recognized Democrat, Music Man Aug 2018 #63

Yes -- that's how it should be here. n/t pnwmom Aug 2018 #65

Does Ellison vote only on laws that only affect Minnesota? NYC Liberal Aug 2018 #68

Excuse me.. RSF posts about States all over the Country.. Cha Aug 2018 #69

Does it matter where he lives? GatoGordo Aug 2018 #98

That should work. Turbineguy Aug 2018 #3

Confirmed by Karen Monahan RandySF Aug 2018 #8

June 3 was the last day of the DFL convention this year dflprincess Aug 2018 #21

Yep, another Democrat will be forced out without proof. The son says there's sinkingfeeling Aug 2018 #12

I'm suspicious. SharonClark Aug 2018 #22

Looks true. The guy can't be our party's nominee. Better to err on the side of caution here. nt Blue_true Aug 2018 #23

"When did you stop beating your wife." Mike Rows His Boat Aug 2018 #4

+1 uponit7771 Aug 2018 #6

. RandySF Aug 2018 #9

I hate these situations DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2018 #10

. RandySF Aug 2018 #13

I am going to withhold judgement until I have more information. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2018 #15

Holy shit. ismnotwasm Aug 2018 #11

I never liked him. Was unhappy when he became involved at the DNC on behalf of Bernie. boston bean Aug 2018 #14

As noted above, we don't know what is going on, other than speculation. theaocp Aug 2018 #16

So should we risk nominating an abuser? Blue_true Aug 2018 #25

He denied it. theaocp Aug 2018 #29

Next step is to look at their primary opponents. Is there a solid opponent pnwmom Aug 2018 #41

This woman is forcefully stating she and her son are telling the truth. We'll see where this goes. boston bean Aug 2018 #52

She is now sharing texts on Twitter. If Ellison is innocent he should call for an investigation stevenleser Aug 2018 #64

This message was self-deleted by its author octoberlib Aug 2018 #67

It is looking like we will see a resignation. boston bean Aug 2018 #76

Judging from her texts, she apparently just wanted him to apologize to her and help her heal stevenleser Aug 2018 #82

Looks like there's a pattern octoberlib Aug 2018 #112

If you read the comments section it is worthless flotsam Aug 2018 #118

You just called him an abuser. Without any evidence. Mike Rows His Boat Aug 2018 #34

There is evidence: the statements of the woman and her son are evidence. pnwmom Aug 2018 #80

Actually, no. Mike Rows His Boat Aug 2018 #85

No, that is physical evidence. Evidence also includes oral and written statements. pnwmom Aug 2018 #89

yes, by that criterion there is evidence of every conspiracy theory. David__77 Aug 2018 #100

Has she filed any charges? The son? Mike Rows His Boat Aug 2018 #90

Accusations aren't evidence. nt Rob H. Aug 2018 #95

But that doesn't mean we should automatically believe it before we have evidence. Mike Rows His Boat Aug 2018 #102

An abuser is a person that abuses another person. Blue_true Aug 2018 #81

"If". Mike Rows His Boat Aug 2018 #87

You risk nominating an abuser Loki Liesmith Aug 2018 #109

A statement from Rep. Elison would be helpful at this point.nt oasis Aug 2018 #17

I'm not touching until more is out there or hear what he has to say. NCTraveler Aug 2018 #18

Swiftboat hitjob? ananda Aug 2018 #24

If it is, it's not from Republicans RandySF Aug 2018 #26

Debra Hilstrom and Keith Ellison are competing for Dem nomination JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2018 #31

This is either a.) absolutely true or it's b.) an abominable lie... ADX Aug 2018 #33

How did she get tagged? Proud Liberal Dem Aug 2018 #35

In a post made by Monahan's son. Nt dflprincess Aug 2018 #40

The son is claiming he saw an incident on video. pnwmom Aug 2018 #46

I suspect the video puts them both in a bad light. joshcryer Aug 2018 #150

Well, since it was taken with her in bed, pnwmom Aug 2018 #151

I think she maybe lashed back. joshcryer Aug 2018 #153

She might have lashed back, for sure. She also might have been in a state of undress, pnwmom Aug 2018 #154

St. Paul Pioneer Press: Ellison denies abuse allegations from ex-girlfriend riversedge Aug 2018 #47

This story is about to go viral. riversedge Aug 2018 #49

It's hit Roll Call and Huffington Post RandySF Aug 2018 #55

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2018 #54

Ellison was the one "Justice Democrats" were petitioning to replace Franken pnwmom Aug 2018 #62

In fact Ellison wrote this "eulogy" on Franken.. Cha Aug 2018 #108

I wonder if LeeAnn Tweeden is coaching her on how to take down good Dems? Power 2 the People Aug 2018 #56

Ellison publicly called for Senator Franken to step down based on hearsay. Trust Buster Aug 2018 #58

Wow workinclasszero Aug 2018 #86

Ellison Statement on Sen. Al Franken's Resignation OnDoutside Aug 2018 #88

Well then we can expect Ellison's resignation workinclasszero Aug 2018 #91

With respect to what was done to Al, I think it is important that evidence should be used to back OnDoutside Aug 2018 #93

WOW! Thank you for that, OnDoutside. Cha Aug 2018 #96

Happy to help ! 👍 OnDoutside Aug 2018 #97

Either Karen Monahan is the Cha Aug 2018 #99

Pathetic. joshcryer Aug 2018 #149

I wonder if he knows that people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones? LisaL Aug 2018 #152

If there is substance to this, then that's one big boulder ! OnDoutside Aug 2018 #155

I really hate what was done to Franken, but in fairness, ecstatic Aug 2018 #161

they claim there is video. so they should release it JI7 Aug 2018 #72

Ding ding ding Omaha Steve Aug 2018 #78

This message was self-deleted by its author Omaha Steve Aug 2018 #79

Someone in a post above said that after Ellison denied, the woman started releasing text messages Blue_true Aug 2018 #84

I wouldn't blame any woman for not wanting to release a video of herself in that situation. nt pnwmom Aug 2018 #92

Yes, if the video exists, it would be humiliating for her. Blue_true Aug 2018 #94

Make her a public figure? tirebiter Aug 2018 #119

Thank you for your concern GaryCnf Aug 2018 #101

Here's what I don't understand. Why is Ellison running for a statewode office? underthematrix Aug 2018 #120

I don't understand it either dflprincess Aug 2018 #143

I don't live in Minnesota but I think Debra Hilstrom is the underthematrix Aug 2018 #147

Don't forget Xavier Becerra left Congress for AG in California OnDoutside Aug 2018 #156

RIP his political future budkin Aug 2018 #126

OK so why weren't these allegations brought up when he ran for Congress? lordsummerisle Aug 2018 #137

They were still together last time he ran for Congress, pnwmom Aug 2018 #157