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regnaD kciN

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5. When I hear "but it was in high school" as a defense...
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 12:37 AM
Sep 2018

...I think back to my high-school years (which were several years before Kavanaugh's), and my observations of the male/female dynamic existing at the time.

Yes, times were very different, in ways which no doubt seem strange, if not outright oppressive and sexist today. For varying reasons (which would take way too long to explain fully here), there were certain ritualistic roles that were expected of boys and girls in those days. In particular, it was expected that guys would be "testing the limits," of pressing for greater degrees of physical intimacy, while it was the girl's role to set those limits.

Now, this may all seem quite Neanderthal today, but there were two other expectations of those ritual roles: 1) When a girl set limits, they were respected. "No" meant "no," at least for the immediate future…and, if a guy showed signs of not respecting his girlfriend's "no," that was grounds for ending the relationship. 2) These rituals took place in the contexts of relationships, of committed, exclusive "couple" status that was entered into over time.

What I'm getting at here is that, while there were gender roles and rituals in place back then that people nowadays might find upsetting, NONE of them can serve as an excuse for what Kavanaugh is accused to have done — then every bit as much as now. Back then, two guys grabbing a girl (who seems to have been, at most, an uninvolved acquaintance of theirs), and physically pinning her down and gagging her while removing her clothes would have been seen as attempted rape every bit as much as it would now, and every bit as deserving of criminal charges (in many cases, after getting the crap kicked out of them by their peers first). And the consequences of those charges would have followed them the rest of their lives

So, however medieval the old standards may seem to people today, please don’t use them to rationalize away the behavior of someone like Kavanaugh. It wouldn’t have been O.K. back then, just as it isn’t now.

every person making this excuse DonCoquixote Sep 2018 #1
Yep. Kavanaugh was 17, the victim was 15. SunSeeker Sep 2018 #4
And who has a brilliant future ahead of him..... Mad-in-Mo Sep 2018 #19
He probably thought he was untouchable. SunSeeker Sep 2018 #20
Yes of course, Mad-in-Mo Sep 2018 #24
I did and said a lot of things in high school which I now regret. None of them were sexual assault. RockRaven Sep 2018 #2
same ones that blame Trayvon Martin for wearing a hoodie for what happened to him JI7 Sep 2018 #3
When I hear "but it was in high school" as a defense... regnaD kciN Sep 2018 #5
Exactly. He knew what he was doing was wrong. That's why he clamped down on her mouth. SunSeeker Sep 2018 #6
Yeah. That excuse in all its forms really ticks me off. Solly Mack Sep 2018 #7
True, but that's not his defense. greyl Sep 2018 #8
On Brian Williams show, a former prosecutor said it was an odd defense, unless claiming "wrong guy." TheBlackAdder Sep 2018 #17
Some people DO truly change, grow, mature after teen years, But he is victimizing her all over again Midnight Writer Sep 2018 #9
People don't "grow out" of being a psychopath. SunSeeker Sep 2018 #10
Daily Kos post on this that some may find of interest, foul stuff. appalachiablue Sep 2018 #11
Wow. Thanks for the link. Looks like Kav was proud of his exploits. SunSeeker Sep 2018 #12
Certainly had an active youth and into young adulthood. appalachiablue Sep 2018 #14
Let's not use euphemisms. He was not an "active youth." He was/is a predator. SunSeeker Sep 2018 #16
Through life I have decided what I think, say and write, appalachiablue Sep 2018 #21
So why did you "decide" to use a euphamism that minimizes what he did? nt SunSeeker Sep 2018 #22
The harm he and that kind commit is known to me, that's all. Good nite. appalachiablue Sep 2018 #23
I took it as sarcasm lunatica Sep 2018 #26
But why that defensive "I decide what I think" response? SunSeeker Sep 2018 #29
The White HOuse and Grassley release a second letter. 65 women say never in Devil's Triangle w/Kav. TheBlackAdder Sep 2018 #18
Also, 1 hr. ago, from Fox. Little to no relevance in the case, coincidence. appalachiablue Sep 2018 #13
Okay, let's consider that. Adrahil Sep 2018 #15
what's the saying bdamomma Sep 2018 #25
That's the whole concept of karma. lunatica Sep 2018 #27
nt bdamomma Sep 2018 #28
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