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stockholmer

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8. 2011 Flashback: Obama Pushes for Modifications to Medicare & Social Security (Including Chained CPI)
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 11:12 AM
Aug 2012
http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2011/08/18/obama-pushes-for-modifications-to-medicare-and-social-security/

At a town hall meeting in Illinois, President Obama reaffirmed that he will personally push for Congress to make Medicare and Social Security cuts part of any talk about deficit reduction or job creation. From the White House Transcripts:

When folks tell you that we’ve got a choice between jobs now or dealing with our debt crisis, they’re wrong. They’re wrong. We can’t afford to just do one or the other. We’ve got to do both. And the way to do it is to make some — reform the tax code, close loopholes, make some modest modifications in programs like Medicare and Social Security so they’re there for the next generation, stabilize those systems. And you could actually save so much money that you could actually pay for some of the things like additional infrastructure right now. We can close the deficit and put people to work, but what’s required is that folks work together. That’s the big challenge. That’s the big challenge. (Applause.)

So the main thing is I’m here to enlist you in this fight for America’s future. I need you to send a message to your members of Congress, to your representatives that we’re tired of the games. We’re tired of the posturing. We don’t want more press releases. We want action.


“Modest modification” is classic political newspeak code for cuts. The “modest”change Obama indicates he would support, like raising the Medicare retirement age to 67, would cause very real hardship for some older Americans and make every seniors’ Medicare premiums go up. The new Super Committee doesn’t need to cut our social safety net to reach its deficit reduction targets, but President Obama publicly says he wants to make cuts to Medicare and Social Security part of any deal. The reason Medicare and Social Security are on the table right now is because Obama has chosen to put them on the table. He has the power to take them off the table with a simple veto threat. If Medicare or Social Security get cut in the near future it will because Obama actively worked to make sure the programs are cut. The much promised “pivot to jobs” after the debt ceiling deal seems to be disappointingly focused on keeping the issue of deficit reduction on the front burner.


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Obama Lets Slip Plans for Chained CPI

http://news.firedoglake.com/2011/08/19/obama-lets-slip-plans-for-chained-cpi/

Jon Walker already mentioned this push by President Obama for changes to Medicare and Social Security in his town hall meetings in rural areas this week. It’s actually worse than that. Walker highlighted comments from the stump speech. Look closer at the question and answer session. Twice this week, the President was asked specifically about Social Security, in particular the COLA adjustment. The last two years, recipients were denied a COLA, because it’s based on an inflation index that didn’t show any rise in inflation. The President explained this pretty ably on Wednesday at a town hall in Illinois.



THE PRESIDENT: Well, let me talk to you about Social Security. It is very likely that she will see a COLA, a cost-of-living increase next year, because inflation actually rose this year. The reason that there were a couple of years where she did not get a cost-of-living increase was because even though she probably felt like the cost of food and gas and groceries were going up, the overall inflation index actually did not go up. There was a period there where we actually had what’s called deflation, where the costs were a little bit lower than they had been comparable to the previous year.

So all that is done automatically. It’s not something that I make a decision about each year. And I promise you when folks don’t get their COLA, they all write to me and say, Mr. President, why — you didn’t give us a cost of living, and don’t you care about senior citizens. And I have to write back and explain to them, no, that’s not something I did. These things just happen automatically based on estimates of what inflation is going to be.


Indeed, Social Security recipients are expected to get a 3% increase at the end of the year. And yes, that’s an automatic process. What the President isn’t telling people is that he offered an alteration to that automatic COLA process, by going to chained CPI, that would result in a slower increase in benefits, and a de facto cut. So at the same time the President is explaining that the COLA is not in his control, he is hiding the fact that he wants to change the metric upon which it is based. In fact, he slipped and actually did mention chained CPI, in a roundabout way, at a second town hall in Alpha, Illinois. The President was asked about the payroll tax cap, and he answered that and went right to this “here’s why grandma didn’t get a COLA” talking point that he was obviously instructed to say, but he slipped and included a telling line:

Well, first—this is a very well-informed young man here. (Laughter.) You’re exactly right that the way the Social Security system works, there’s what’s called—there’s basically a cap on your Social Security, which there isn’t, by the way, on Medicare. But Social Security, it only goes up to the first $107,000; and you’re right, somebody who makes—who has net assets of $250 million and are making maybe $5 million a year just on interest or capital gains or something, just a fraction of it’s going to Social Security. I think there’s a way for us to make adjustments on the Social Security tax that would be fairer than the system that we use right now.

I do think, in terms of how we calculate inflation, that’s important as well. By the way, seniors — a bunch of them were upset over the last couple years because some of — because seniors didn’t get a cost-of-living adjustment. I got a lot of letters — “Mr. President, how come I didn’t get a COLA this year for my Social Security?” And I answered this question at the previous town hall; I figured I’d clear something up now. The way the system works is you automatically get a cost-of-living adjustment based on the inflation rate. The President doesn’t make that decision; it’s based on a formula.

I got a crush on Joe Biden ;-) TDale313 Aug 2012 #1
for all the talk of presidential candidates getting flipped DonCoquixote Aug 2012 #2
That sucks, I was hoping they would drop the B Calm Aug 2012 #3
But will there be a chained CPI? woo me with science Aug 2012 #4
Biden is clearly part of Obama's conspiracy. JoePhilly Aug 2012 #5
Best guess, don't believe ANY of them. nt NorthCarolina Aug 2012 #7
Really - it's the Congress that sends these bills to the President, it's "advise and consent". xtraxritical Aug 2012 #9
The President either signs them or does not. nt woo me with science Aug 2012 #11
2011 Flashback: Obama Pushes for Modifications to Medicare & Social Security (Including Chained CPI) stockholmer Aug 2012 #8
Important links with his own words. Thank you. woo me with science Aug 2012 #12
He hasn't mentioned that rhetoric in almost a year. joshcryer Aug 2012 #19
Thank you for bringing up the facts and adding the links to the supporting information. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #22
I like this one Kingofalldems Aug 2012 #6
But, but, but Simpson! Bowles!... SidDithers Aug 2012 #10
How is it going up in Canada? AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #23
... SidDithers Aug 2012 #47
And thank you to Manny and woo me with science and all the other great DUers and sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #13
Thank you for staying on this, Sabrina. woo me with science Aug 2012 #16
Chained CPI needs to be addressed, there's no question about that. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #17
It sounds like Biden has addressed it. joshcryer Aug 2012 #27
Yes, because if Joe Summer Hathaway Aug 2012 #21
Yes, they deserve all the credit in the world for making sure this happens. joshcryer Aug 2012 #28
And what could be harder work Summer Hathaway Aug 2012 #35
Oh it's worse than that. joshcryer Aug 2012 #36
I must correct you on the repeal of DADT Summer Hathaway Aug 2012 #38
Oh yes. joshcryer Aug 2012 #39
Why do you read FR then? You wouldn't have to see nonsense like that if you simply sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #43
I saw that on DU. joshcryer Aug 2012 #44
Joe is hearing plenty from all of us, including sending articles like those published by sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #41
Am I opposed to Democratic programs? Summer Hathaway Aug 2012 #42
+ 1,000 Sabrina suffragette Aug 2012 #40
It's well past time stupidicus Aug 2012 #14
We still need a promise that the chained CPI is off the table. woo me with science Aug 2012 #15
I completely agree stupidicus Aug 2012 #18
What " 'purists' have been too shortsighted" Were these people other than the Blue-Dog Democrats AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #25
none of the above stupidicus Aug 2012 #50
*ALL* reforms to SS can be considered cuts. joshcryer Aug 2012 #20
Raising the cap is fine by most, very few are crying about the top 20% paying a little extra here. TheKentuckian Aug 2012 #37
That, and another trick needs to be taken off the table. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #24
President Obama rejected his commision's call for military cuts MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #26
His 2013 budget freezes military spending and doesn't cut a dime from SS. joshcryer Aug 2012 #29
And he's rejected the 22% cut for the average recipient? nt MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #30
Yes. joshcryer Aug 2012 #31
Please link to a quote MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #32
I don't do quotes, rhetoric is cheap, here is his actual proposal: joshcryer Aug 2012 #33
They proposed raising the cap, and cutting average benefit by 22% MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #45
Not "and" but "or." joshcryer Aug 2012 #46
They voted for specific recommendations, no? MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #48
Spam deleted by DURHAM D (MIR Team) numnumnum Aug 2012 #34
That's the way to win an election--Biden for President! Demeter Aug 2012 #49
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