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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
54. Oh, good grief. All these people's true records are on line.
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 02:37 PM
Nov 2018

There's no excuse for pushing pernicious nonsense that these people are conservative, either by personality or by their extremely well documented political records. Frankly, I'd think better of this post if I knew it were a frank lie instead of deluded belief. There's no excuse for either, though.

And, btw, the definition I use of liberal and conservative -- to protect from people who manipulate labels for dishonest purposes -- is defined by personality. We're all basically one or the other in almost infinite combination, but there are real differences between the two basic personality orientations that mostly explain our political choices.

This simple graph comparing presidents over the 80 years is from 538. Please note the relative consistency of Democrats, and that the variations, both in presidents and their records, tend to reflect ideological and other situational realities during the times they served.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRQl94FFybHim9I61vLGxb7RSKN3MZOjIMAqobeYausGoNgFEpVMQ

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If only we can do that nationwide... In It to Win It Nov 2018 #1
getting closer in Florida and Texas, and the GOP know it. That's why voter supression Demovictory9 Nov 2018 #2
We've been getting "closer" in Florida for a looonngg time now In It to Win It Nov 2018 #5
The issues in Florida are Cubans and low participation from other minority groups. Blue_true Nov 2018 #29
That surprised me that... In It to Win It Nov 2018 #32
Yes zipplewrath Nov 2018 #39
There is some hope. Blue_true Nov 2018 #43
I think it will improve zipplewrath Nov 2018 #44
You are right. We don't have enough modern industry here, or much industry at all. Blue_true Nov 2018 #47
Sugar, tourism, retirement zipplewrath Nov 2018 #48
Add phosphate mining and rapidly disappearing vegetable and fruit farming. Blue_true Nov 2018 #50
Gonna take alot longer zipplewrath Nov 2018 #30
You said it. I've been to FL a lot, and have lots of friends there. They pretty well don't care... SWBTATTReg Nov 2018 #34
Florida absolutely kill it's residents with fees. Blue_true Nov 2018 #45
I lived in Tallahassee for six years, back in MO now The Genealogist Nov 2018 #52
we will when demographics will be the same nationally as in California JI7 Nov 2018 #12
Probably not zipplewrath Nov 2018 #49
Yes, please. NurseJackie Nov 2018 #23
California is extremely diverse population vlyons Nov 2018 #26
CA Dems also have a veto-proof 2/3 majority in the Legislature, 2 Dem Senators, and Liberty Belle Nov 2018 #3
I don't think Newsom and the legislature will disagree on much, certainly not against 45's policies. LonePirate Nov 2018 #31
True, though Jerry Brown occasionally vetoed bills, Liberty Belle Nov 2018 #55
(in Seinfeld voice) NUNES!!!!! winstars Nov 2018 #4
How'd that SOB survive lame54 Nov 2018 #38
Probably represents a very red district D_Master81 Nov 2018 #40
Or choice lost in this red district lame54 Nov 2018 #41
There are definitely parts of CA where you might as well be in Alabama... winstars Nov 2018 #42
Sigh***** SCantiGOP Nov 2018 #6
Persons of color make up more than 35% of South Carolina's population. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #17
Estimates are SCantiGOP Nov 2018 #24
Look at New England. roamer65 Nov 2018 #7
does that include PA? Demovictory9 Nov 2018 #8
No, but PA evened up a LOT this time after the gerrymandering was killed... Wounded Bear Nov 2018 #9
Actually, GOP Governors SCantiGOP Nov 2018 #25
Same as the rest of the country Patiod Nov 2018 #53
Which is why Susan Collins needs to do a Jeffords. kennetha Nov 2018 #19
Thank you Ahhnold ghostsinthemachine Nov 2018 #10
Harder leads! ghostsinthemachine Nov 2018 #11
Thank you Pete Wilson and Prop 187 stopwastingmymoney Nov 2018 #22
My entire state service shanti Nov 2018 #35
"California voters have just about wiped out the republican party." LenaBaby61 Nov 2018 #13
Well well, Wellstone ruled Nov 2018 #14
this has been a good election for the dems Demovictory9 Nov 2018 #15
And if we screw this up, Wellstone ruled Nov 2018 #18
Ever heard of the "New Majority?" stopbush Nov 2018 #16
Conventional wisdom is that where California goes, the country follows. ffr Nov 2018 #20
I've always Loved California! Cha Nov 2018 #21
And it's not just a demographic shift sandensea Nov 2018 #27
Also, the vote counts for all statewide D v R races are now 60+ to 40- RockRaven Nov 2018 #28
if every blue state eliminated GOP senators and congresspeople, we would have beachbum bob Nov 2018 #33
Most voters in Blue states don't mind supporting needful folks in Red states bigbrother05 Nov 2018 #36
Has to do with fairness, not compassion. Red states keep their taxes artificially beachbum bob Nov 2018 #37
Just realizing that it's not sustainable, or healthy. Hortensis Nov 2018 #46
There are plenty of "conservative" Democrats. hunter Nov 2018 #51
Oh, good grief. All these people's true records are on line. Hortensis Nov 2018 #54
I agree Raine Nov 2018 #56
Yes, critical to democracy. Lol. I'm loving finding cons Hortensis Nov 2018 #57
The Republicans wiped themselves out. yardwork Nov 2018 #58
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