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46. I disagree and facts tell us otherwise.

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Sanders, or ANY progressive for President in 2020. [View all] realmirage Nov 2018 OP

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Done. Bfd Nov 2018 #55

I see what you did. And like it! Small-Axe Nov 2018 #57

I am also laughing at the OP Gothmog Nov 2018 #74

Get in line bernie. Democrats have already got far better candidates than you Bfd Nov 2018 #2

He won't be the Democratic party's nominee. I think he'll run third-party, however. NurseJackie Nov 2018 #148

Of course he will. Because he has depleted all availible Dem capital Bfd Nov 2018 #156

No, he won't run as a spoiler because he knows a third party vote hands the vote to R. Sunlei Nov 2018 #193

I wish I shared your confidence. NurseJackie Nov 2018 #194

he said so. Bernie also said to his fans-"JOIN THE D PARTY" (when asked about 3rd party) Sunlei Nov 2018 #196

Oh, yes... I'm sure he's well aware of that. NurseJackie Nov 2018 #207

He said that in 2015. He has not said this lately. He also said he would stay a Dem. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #208

nope, He repeated those things again- after he lost the primary. Sunlei Nov 2018 #209

Ok, 2016 though I didn't hear what you are referring to, so I can't really gauge it. Has he said Wintryjade Nov 2018 #211

I do not have the confidence he won't. I want it to come out sooner than later, that he is running Wintryjade Nov 2018 #205

Don't hold your breath. Best to expect the worst and you'll never be disappointed, but hopefully... NurseJackie Nov 2018 #210

I think it will be real clear real fast because we have done this a couple times in the last 2 years Wintryjade Nov 2018 #213

what resourses did he use? and whats the 'twice' walk away? Sunlei Nov 2018 #212

If you have no concept of why he used the Democratic party and his gains, I won't bother. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #214

Appreciate you 'not bothering'. Sunlei Nov 2018 #215

This is not about his votes. That is not want I am talking about, clearly. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #219

Nobody cares about that. NurseJackie Nov 2018 #220

I have been a Democrat for a lifetime. Stating I want to elect a Democrat should not be a Wintryjade Nov 2018 #223

The USA needs to discuss those things that you find "highly offensive". I agree with him. Sunlei Nov 2018 #224

You "agree" with him, huh? Does that mean you believe the Democratic party is corrupt? NurseJackie Nov 2018 #225

LOL Maven Nov 2018 #4

+1 grantcart Nov 2018 #12

2 Words Me. Nov 2018 #5

Nah, he had his shot, and Dems don't want all that divisiveness again. brush Nov 2018 #6

Bernie votes more with the Democratic majority than most Democrats... InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2018 #97

Nope. We have several younger real Democrats for 2020. brush Nov 2018 #99

He may be an authentic progressive Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #109

Now that's what I'm talking about. You got a laugh out of me with that line. brush Nov 2018 #143

No he doesn't & no he hasn't been an authentic progressive "from day 1", either. Bfd Nov 2018 #111

How's it even possible for Bernie to vote more with the Dem majority than most Dems? betsuni Nov 2018 #113

No he hasn't, and no he hasn't. Sorry. Oh, and no he won't. George II Nov 2018 #150

True, concise and directly to the point. NurseJackie Nov 2018 #163

Nobody cares about that. It's the smears and lies and attacks on the party... NurseJackie Nov 2018 #162

Thank you TheFarseer Nov 2018 #181

Without a doubt... Bernie is one of the leading voices of the progressive movement in this country. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2018 #229

This is Democratic Underground. Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #271

Absolutely right. One failed campaign for the nomination is a lifetime bar. Jim Lane Nov 2018 #125

Completely agree. The "too good to stay in the Party" irks me the most. brush Nov 2018 #142

I think it will be someone else... Mike Nelson Nov 2018 #7

It depends on what the definition of progressive is. Tavarious Jackson Nov 2018 #8

+1 sheshe2 Nov 2018 #27

++++ a million True Progressives need to do some serious vetting of those who claim their label. Bfd Nov 2018 #30

why yes, they do...and Bernie fits the bill better than anyone else at this time shanny Nov 2018 #35

Depends on what you feel is important uponit7771 Nov 2018 #38

no duh shanny Nov 2018 #40

Fits what bill? Please See post#8, and explain his progressivness Bfd Nov 2018 #42

lol Indenpeneet it is. shanny Nov 2018 #44

Wherever the media wind blows ... Bfd Nov 2018 #48

yeah definitely--since the 60s shanny Nov 2018 #49

Me neither. We're all quite over his antics. Bfd Nov 2018 #51

I disagree and facts tell us otherwise. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #43

I disagree and facts tell us otherwise. shanny Nov 2018 #46

You didn't answer for the facts in post#8 yet. Bfd Nov 2018 #58

Bernie doesn't just fit the bill... he's been leading the progressive parade for DECADES. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2018 #278

+1, there are too many issues that are progressive at all that are important to me on that list uponit7771 Nov 2018 #37

Populism is being conflated with being "progressive"... Small-Axe Nov 2018 #59

I agree. This is what has been very frustrating the last three years. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #78

WORD lunamagica Nov 2018 #102

Nope.. LakeArenal Nov 2018 #9

As a strong supporter of liberals/progressives, I am not a fool regarding... demmiblue Nov 2018 #10

not to mention the second shanny Nov 2018 #36

At least Hillary has said she won't run again. The other guy hasn't. brush Nov 2018 #144

Glad to hear. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2018 #159

He does not even come close to having the base. I predict, if he can run as Democrat, Wintryjade Nov 2018 #11

I think Bernie will run too BannonsLiver Nov 2018 #13

Here we go again Andy823 Nov 2018 #15

Lol BannonsLiver Nov 2018 #16

Sorry about that Andy823 Nov 2018 #18

Make that two "flame baits" then Charlotte Little Nov 2018 #89

Exactly. smirkymonkey Nov 2018 #153

yup realmirage Nov 2018 #170

What else is new?! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2018 #276

Not if he Teams-up(very publicly early primary) with ANY of the other popular Ds. Sunlei Nov 2018 #218

That makes absolutely no sense at all. BannonsLiver Nov 2018 #284

No he won't! mrsv Nov 2018 #14

I don't think he should run again Bettie Nov 2018 #17

I won't vote for Sanders in the primary jcgoldie Nov 2018 #19

LOL ornotna Nov 2018 #20

Si, si, nada mas que la misma mierda, como siempre DFW Nov 2018 #28

Exactamente. Tipperary Nov 2018 #53

Flame bait Andy823 Nov 2018 #21

... Docreed2003 Nov 2018 #22

Vote in the primaries Rizen Nov 2018 #23

He's old news. Adrahil Nov 2018 #24

I predict a 200 post thread. I think you could make a compelling argument about what we need our JCanete Nov 2018 #25

well... realmirage Nov 2018 #172

Well I agree with you on style and advocacy, particularly as it pertains to what we need and JCanete Nov 2018 #185

Why do you think realmirage Nov 2018 #187

It is possible, and I will support him as I did last time with the little I can afford. And his JCanete Nov 2018 #189

As Obama proved realmirage Nov 2018 #198

Nope. ismnotwasm Nov 2018 #26

lol, sanders is not a democrat and such should be excluded from consideration any more than Ralph beachbum bob Nov 2018 #29

This is what I do not get. 2016 he used Democratic resources and filed under the Democratic Party. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #45

A non-progressive will achieve the same result. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2018 #230

Name a non-progressive who is likely to seek the Democratic Party nomination. Then explain. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #232

Bernie actually won the war, but was killed in battle. marylandblue Nov 2018 #31

False story. Not factually true. The Democratic Party already had these issues and had Wintryjade Nov 2018 #47

I understand that, but it wasn't getting a lot of traction marylandblue Nov 2018 #60

Depends who has the power. Voting out the ability to progress in 2010 was a shot in the foot Wintryjade Nov 2018 #77

Well, I actually supported Clinton in 2016, so I understand marylandblue Nov 2018 #98

I agree with you about 2020. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #104

Clinton Machine? What do you call the operation that put bernie in the headlines? Bfd Nov 2018 #114

You are right, and I didn't say anything that implied otherwise. marylandblue Nov 2018 #119

It did. A well calculated organized fluke at that. Bfd Nov 2018 #121

LOL Clinton Machine. betsuni Nov 2018 #115

Whatever, you know what I mean. marylandblue Nov 2018 #117

Yes. That what the Party has been about all along. brush Nov 2018 #145

The Big Lie all over again. Small-Axe Nov 2018 #61

Whatever. There are bigger lies out there. marylandblue Nov 2018 #65

Not really, given the consequences. Small-Axe Nov 2018 #66

Which are what? That's a real question. marylandblue Nov 2018 #67

Yeah, whatever. RelativelyJones Nov 2018 #32

Thanks for posting your letter to Santa, I guess. betsuni Nov 2018 #33

Bernie supports trump's trade policy, he has zero chance AlexSFCA Nov 2018 #34

That's all utter nonsense. Trump is considering a diffrerent trade policy that will almost certainly JCanete Nov 2018 #68

Please, when he voted against immigration reform the last thing on hismind was lunamagica Nov 2018 #105

Please quote him. I've seen this interview. Don't just say it says something that I didn't hear. JCanete Nov 2018 #106

Lou Dobbs talks about "ethnic-centric groups which have very little regaard for the traditions lunamagica Nov 2018 #118

No he doesn't share that hostility. His focus is over and over again, and the greedy institutions JCanete Nov 2018 #122

Yet, Bernie was quiet about the EB-5 visa program at Jay Peak in Vermont. TexasTowelie Nov 2018 #131

by the way, the thing that was on his mind was how corporations were finding new ways to skirt JCanete Nov 2018 #107

All right then, just fess up and admit what the real motivation was, but please, dont try to lunamagica Nov 2018 #120

I said it was bad for immigrants...it wasn't good for them or the American worker. JCanete Nov 2018 #124

He'll have to find those tax returns first MyNameGoesHere Nov 2018 #39

Nope. Nope. Nope. He will not be our next president. nt Kahuna7 Nov 2018 #41

And why should he? Bfd Nov 2018 #50

Nope. Not a chance in hell. Tipperary Nov 2018 #52

. Squinch Nov 2018 #56

But this time he has to run against treestar Nov 2018 #62

There's usually a big group... realmirage Nov 2018 #174

Only Hillary and Martin O'Malley treestar Nov 2018 #226

And O'Malley dropped out after Iowa. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #234

Fair enough. Neither of us has a crystal ball. realmirage Nov 2018 #241

No crystal ball needed. We have recent history as a guide. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #247

I get it that you very much dislike the man realmirage Nov 2018 #248

My issue with Sanders is precisely that which I mentioned in that last post. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #250

I did nothing of the sort. realmirage Nov 2018 #252

Of course you did. You haven't once responded to the facts I've laid out. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #254

You dismissed realmirage Nov 2018 #257

Once again, you're misrepresenting. What I dismissed is the assertion that "independent"... Garrett78 Nov 2018 #258

I'm forced to conclude that you're just trolling. Likeliest candidate? You can't believe that. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #233

First of all Sen. Sanders will not get the nomination. Secondly if he did he would lose. Demsrule86 Nov 2018 #63

Why would he lose? I have no idea why you believe that. You could very well be right that he won't JCanete Nov 2018 #69

Let's not underestimate Trump like we did in 2016 Polybius Nov 2018 #71

That's fine, but that's not what Demsrule's post was suggesting. It was just a flat-out assumption JCanete Nov 2018 #91

I would just add in the interests of clarity... I do believe the Republicans had a reason Demsrule86 Nov 2018 #149

You realize that single payer is popular right? nt JCanete Nov 2018 #167

How can sanders win without support from key groups in the base? Gothmog Nov 2018 #75

You may not be aware of this but Sanders is plenty popular among JCanete Nov 2018 #84

Not in the real world Gothmog Nov 2018 #85

Okay, there's no point continuing. Where do you get your real world data? Your own sense of JCanete Nov 2018 #90

I am not to relitigate the 2016 primaries Gothmog Nov 2018 #94

sanders cannot win without the support of African American voters Gothmog Nov 2018 #256

He just said that folks who refuse to vote for people of color are not necessarily racist! Demsrule86 Nov 2018 #151

You don't personally get to decide how peopel reacted to that, or whether or not he's fallen out of JCanete Nov 2018 #164

I believe his viewpoints will not carry independents which is essential...and his views on Demsrule86 Nov 2018 #147

He was stilll doing absolutley fine after his defining of identity politics among people of JCanete Nov 2018 #165

nope nope and nope samnsara Nov 2018 #64

If we lose 2020, would you support Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez in 2024? Polybius Nov 2018 #70

I sure as hell would support Alexandria... an authentic progressive, strong female InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2018 #96

How do you think she would do in 2024 against, say Marco Rubio? Polybius Nov 2018 #171

we will see pwb Nov 2018 #72

sanders will not be the nominee for so long as African American voters are key to the base Gothmog Nov 2018 #73

Also the female base rejected Sanders. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #79

Ya think?! ProudLib72 Nov 2018 #93

That quote will kill sanders if he runs in 2020 Gothmog Nov 2018 #95

Yup, and click your heels and..... Tarheel_Dem Nov 2018 #76

Really? Dolly123Jimmy Nov 2018 #80

"Sanders will run as a Democrat and I predict he will get the nomination." elocs Nov 2018 #81

No "progressive" with a shitty record on gun control is going to win in 2020. MrsCoffee Nov 2018 #82

I like your post best! yardwork Nov 2018 #86

No words... NurseJackie Nov 2018 #83

I predict Meowmee Nov 2018 #87

I don't always favor progressives. But when I do I choose members of the Democratic Party. NT GulfCoast66 Nov 2018 #88

I find the first part of that statement particularly painful. nt JCanete Nov 2018 #129

I am a liberal. Not a progressive, which has shifting meanings in my mind GulfCoast66 Nov 2018 #146

It really needs to be someone with a law degree. ucrdem Nov 2018 #92

Well, I suspect we'll find someone younger who can get young voters as excited as Bernie can mtnsnake Nov 2018 #100

How about someone that will get them to actually vote? MrsCoffee Nov 2018 #140

Sanders did in the primaries realmirage Nov 2018 #176

Exactly! realmirage Nov 2018 #175

I predict you are wrong lunamagica Nov 2018 #101

I would back Bernie again, but someone new and progressive would be nice mvd Nov 2018 #103

I'd like to see anyone with Sanders' fresh approach gain popularity realmirage Nov 2018 #169

And I predict Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #108

Sanders was *the* Clinton alternative in 2016. A 1-on-1 race against a polarizing figure. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #110

Lots of factors...first, You could have absolutely asked for a better scenario. Sanders campaign JCanete Nov 2018 #166

Sanders was campaigning as *the* Clinton alternative for nearly a year before Iowa. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #228

Not to mention HRC worked for and earned that recognition. It was not just handed to her. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #231

Absolutely. And decades of attacks turned her into a very polarizing figure. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #235

Also, the lack of vetting Sanders. Sanders had a lot of advantages in 2016. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #238

For sure. And the media loves boosting underdogs. And 'horse race' coverage. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #242

Right. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #245

Not revising history garret, I was there, and since sanders WAS on my radar, I remember what JCanete Nov 2018 #267

The media has a vested interest in propping up underdogs and making a race seem close. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #269

I agree with you that the media likes a horesrace, which is why it propped up trump, JCanete Nov 2018 #282

I've always agreed with Bernie Sanders policy positions. dgauss Nov 2018 #112

I am told they moved to another site of their own. JBR maybe, I think that's it. Bfd Nov 2018 #116

There's a lot of agreement over policy positions. That's not the issue. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #123

I think people care more about money realmirage Nov 2018 #178

I disagree with your assessment 100%. sheshe2 Nov 2018 #222

Your reply has left me virtually speechless. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #227

Some people are just racist to the core realmirage Nov 2018 #239

The vast majority of so-called independents are highly partisan. They aren't 'middle of the road'. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #243

You might want to read this realmirage Nov 2018 #246

Lazy reporting. Numerous studies demonstrate exactly what I said. For instance: Garrett78 Nov 2018 #249

It wasn't lazy reporting. realmirage Nov 2018 #251

Studies make clear very few independents are actually swing voters, contrary to what many assume. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #253

This site began when George Bush had gotten elected despite pnwmom Nov 2018 #134

Poor you. Squinch Nov 2018 #139

For decades I've pretty much had the same or similar policy positions..... George II Nov 2018 #161

K & R Bfd Nov 2018 #168

We can on disagree on tactics/legislation. We just need to agree on the goals. ehrnst Nov 2018 #141

They're you again ehrnst... making WAY too much sense!! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2018 #273

This site has been around since about 2001, I joined in 2005, I never heard of him until.... George II Nov 2018 #160

They don't post much realmirage Nov 2018 #177

The majority of DU'ers are left liberal and progressives emulatorloo Nov 2018 #216

ALL Dems are "progressive" compared to the R's. Proressive means progress, not purity. LBM20 Nov 2018 #126

Where did the original poster go? BlueStater Nov 2018 #127

Like a mirage... betsuni Nov 2018 #128

Yeah, agreed. I mean, life could have been calling, so I'd give the poster a reasonable amount of JCanete Nov 2018 #130

It's their "thing" to post these tyoe of OPs obamanut2012 Nov 2018 #136

Who is they? realmirage Nov 2018 #183

miss me? realmirage Nov 2018 #179

Sanders IS NOT the future of the party ! stonecutter357 Nov 2018 #132

He's not even part of the bloody party. sunonmars Nov 2018 #138

ADAM SCHIFF. democratisphere Nov 2018 #133

+1 Crutchez_CuiBono Nov 2018 #152

I like Adam..... I would consider him, but... Adrahil Nov 2018 #157

I'd vote for him realmirage Nov 2018 #180

Was hoping your Weekly OP would drop before Thanksgiving! obamanut2012 Nov 2018 #135

No, just no Nonhlanhla Nov 2018 #137

If he maintains a decent percentage of his supporters, his odds of securing... borgesian Nov 2018 #154

I agree with you realmirage Nov 2018 #173

😂 dubyadiprecession Nov 2018 #155

I have no confidence that Sanders knows how to campaign outside of safe liberal States brooklynite Nov 2018 #158

The polling and the results from 2015 would ease realmirage Nov 2018 #182

What results from 2015? brooklynite Nov 2018 #184

2016 I meant realmirage Nov 2018 #186

Sanders lost... brooklynite Nov 2018 #188

I'm not talking about that. realmirage Nov 2018 #195

anybody who can communicate to dimwits. pansypoo53219 Nov 2018 #190

Yipeeee.... another over 70 politician! whistler162 Nov 2018 #191

What does the age matter if they have wisdom and the right ideas? realmirage Nov 2018 #199

I ask Sanders & Clinton to both run in D party. TEAM-up early & let primary voters choose Sunlei Nov 2018 #192

Balderdash Hekate Nov 2018 #197

Never played the game. realmirage Nov 2018 #200

Ah, so. What game do you play here? Hekate Nov 2018 #202

I don't play board games here. realmirage Nov 2018 #203

Yet this is a board. And you play games. Hekate Nov 2018 #204

Yeah but not Balderdash. Looks boring. realmirage Nov 2018 #206

Not this again NastyRiffraff Nov 2018 #201

Good luck with that. DU has a bad taste in its' mouth joet67 Nov 2018 #217

And plenty who support him. It's all good realmirage Nov 2018 #221

you will hear crues of "$hes not a Democratic ". among otheesand Pantsuits joet67 Nov 2018 #286

Bernie fumbled his chance. But yes on a progressive otherwise. BlueTsunami2018 Nov 2018 #236

Name a non-progressive who is likely to seek the Democratic Party nomination. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #237

There were 13 closed primaries in 2016, including DC. Clinton won 12 of those 13. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #240

I should copy and paste your post realmirage Nov 2018 #244

If that's the conclusion you draw from reading my post, I don't know what to say. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #255

Yes. betsuni Nov 2018 #260

Sanders needs to sit down and let the younger generation shine. Lunabell Nov 2018 #259

Ageism? Really? realmirage Nov 2018 #261

It's disgusting to see something like that posted in a forum for Democrats, isn't it? jcmaine72 Nov 2018 #262

Exactly. Since when did attacking people because they're old realmirage Nov 2018 #279

LMAO not ageism Lunabell Nov 2018 #264

No, it was Ageism. jcmaine72 Nov 2018 #265

Well, if you think so alert on it and let a jury decide. Lunabell Nov 2018 #266

That would prove nothing. Your comment was Ageist. Period! jcmaine72 Nov 2018 #270

I'm a Progressive and a Socialist. I will support Bernie again if he runs in 2020. jcmaine72 Nov 2018 #263

In case no one has noticed MFM008 Nov 2018 #268

+1000 NT Adrahil Nov 2018 #275

Is that you, Bernie? MineralMan Nov 2018 #272

Well then. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2018 #274

Everybody just vote for whatever Democrat is the candidate this time, okay? TeamPooka Nov 2018 #277

Very good idea realmirage Nov 2018 #280

He's going to show his taxes? jrthin Nov 2018 #281

Will trump show his? realmirage Nov 2018 #283

That's an excuse? Small-Axe Nov 2018 #285